Not rehashing what has been talked about for years (forever?) but did just skim through the thread JackD started about 6 months about about a TER reset now it's back.
I don't know if this has been discussed and rejected for good reason or not. One of the points made in the tread was basically everyone wants to at least feel they have a voice. If we allowed a simple "I dispute this review" which will not change the review or lead to removal would that give reviews just a bit more informational content. What I'm thinking is that a provider can always click the dispute review, and then say if they are disputing the performance grade or some act described in the details (or perhaps both). TER's DB will then simply have that information that tallies up and can display it in the reviews section. Everyone would be able to see a ratio of disputes to reviews. For the provider it would be the number of disputed reviews to all the reviews written about her. For the monger, it would be the number or disputes from all providers for reviews written by that monger. I'm trying to decide if that might provide something of a quality metric regarding reviews that makes it a bit easier to focus on the higher quality reviews or not.A simple "Provider Disputes Review" option seems pretty simple, easy and straightforward. It would certainly be telling for certain providers and reviewers.
I haven't done in a while (which is bad actually) but recall that when you reviewed your credit report, there were opportunities to add notes to certain dings to your credit.
I'm lightly reviewed and fortunately no major dings to my rating.
That said, a minor annoyance has been how some of the review info filters into my TER profile. For example my donation amount that shows in profile hasn't been such for several years, and some of the contact info for me is inaccurate.
I could see how it might get a lot messier if disputes were "meaty".
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Kacy Tgirl
it's something I always wondered about - why providers won't update their own profile and "manage their brands" more closely.
The answer is easy
Because set up by reviewer most newer ones do not know they can and how easy it is
Then they live with errors and are upset with the site
Profiles are only changed by problem reports. You can submit problem reports on your own profile and should. Especially with concern to rates.
Thanks! TER mod also DM'd me with that procedure.
Warmest hugs,
Kacy TGirl
This may be a little off the thrust of this thread but it is about updating the review summaries.
The “services offered” profile seems to be determined by whomever write the first review. If he happened to have a cbj but the provider also offers bbbj, that can be lost info for the readership. That is, if one does a search for bbbj, that provider won’t appear. I wonder if there’s some way to update the services offered section or to provide an aggregate summary. All reviewers have to fill out the section when they post a review, so in principle, the info is in the database.
What would stop providers to dispute any mediocre or negative review ? In turn, this will make mongers even more scared to write mediocre or negative reviews, and they're already pressured a lot.
Sounds like yet another tool to oppress mongers and prevent them from providing information on less-than-stellar experiences.
Lets see. There's a count that says the provider is disputing something about a review. That then is shown to everyone. When you look at reviews you can see how many times the provider has disputed a review and how many reviews she has (or some disputes/reviews number).
Do you think a provider that has 80 disputes for 100 reviews will be more likely to intimidate the collective group of reviewers or perhaps just signal STAY AWAY to prospective clients?
Still cannot get those filters off can you.
Eighty out of 100 reviews is not realistic, there are very few providers who get that ratio on here with any respectable sample size.
It's more like 2 negative/subpar reviews for 10 positive reviews on here, at least in my rough estimate. For girls who have a decent sample size.
So the ratio is closer to 20%. And then the mongers who would CONSIDER leaving a negative review, see that the provider disputes every negative/mediocre review and decide that they'd rather not write a review. It easily snowballs. It further discourages already scarce negative/mediocre reviews.
I don't have any 'filters'. Your suggestion would make sense if negative reviews had the same weight as positive reviews and would be treated as such. But they don't. You don't see mongers asking whether or not to leave a positive review, the same way they ask for negative reviews. You don't see mongers scared to write positive reviews in fear of being BLd or outed or have worse standing with the booker. You see them all the time with negative/mediocre reviews.
Mongers are already under immense pressure to not write negative or mediocre reviews, especially if their info is on file with providers. Many already don't write subpar reviews because they don't want problems. Already that fact is bothersome.
I would agree with you if provider had at least 50/50 split in positive/negative reviews on average. But even that is "kiss of death" on here, as someone put it earlier, isn't it ?
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can all be avoided by NOT giving your TER username to providers (which is what I do), or writing the review under your alias, which I have also done. There is no way to trace your alias back to you unless you voluntarily publish it. Consequently, I have NEVER felt pressured by providers regarding what I have written in reviews.
I also think its difficult for providers to get reviews changed once they are the property of TER. There are only a few reasons that TER will intercede and change or eliminate what a monger has submitted. One is if it contained personal information about the lady. The other is if the lady contends she did not see the monger at all, in which case the burden of proof shifts to the monger to show text or email messages to TERSupport that shows he made the appointment and saw the provider. If he does that, the review stands. There is some gray area on things like menu where a factual disagreement may have to be resolved.
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You've never felt pressured, yet you also don't have many negative reviews written and going by your own words, you have overwhelming success rate. How about we hear from someone who actually writes negative/subpar reviews? There's no pressure if 98% of your reviews are positive, sure. How about we hear from more picky people?
Using an alias is hardly helping if provider is very low volume and can, via description of the session, figure out who you are. Besides, an alias is a feature of TER, and not a very well coded one at that. Accounts are still used via id numbers, and people can potentially figure out aliases if they really want to and are computer smart. It's not a bulletproof system by any means.
It's absolutely silly to deny that a negative review is not the same as a positive review in terms of consequences entailing. Even the fact that you might need to use an alias, already speaks volumes. Negative reviews mongers are inherently at risk of being blacklisted or outed, whereas there is never such risk with positive reviews. What do you do if you're a "full disclosure" monger? This means that you have to always resort to an alias to write subpar reviews? It's pure nonsense to me. Why are we hiding?
The bottom line is, as long as we have to hide and worry about non-positive reviews triggering providers or agencies , there is little to no point to introduce even more tools that make negative reviews even more difficult for our side. It's anti-monger. It further will discourage reviews that aren't all rosy. Many mongers just want to report the experience and move on, not to engage in public arguing with providers and having to somehow defend their own experience they have a right to post. If providers didn't have the power to blacklist or out bad reviews, then it would be different, I agree.
but a LOT of other guys have had their reviews changed or simply just deleted because the providers have whined to Admin. One reason this never happens to you is because as you freely admit, you never write critical reviews, so the women you review have no reason to contest your version of a session.
I bet you if you started writing sub par reviews of women on the "top 100" lists you would find out really fast just how much those women "manage" their reviews.
One other thing about writing harsh reviews under an alias, if the provider contests that she ever met you, proving that you saw here quite often would reveal your true identity to here, so you are faced with the choice of sticking to your guns and having your "review alias" outed, or letting a sub par provider get away with giving lousy service without consequence.
I don't even write reviews so I am hardly calling anyone out for folding their tent when a BSC hooker threatens retaliation over a lousy review, but I am saying that it does happen all the time. Keep in mind, I have been outed multiple times, not over a bad review, but simply because a few BSC hookers didn't like what I said right here on the discussion boards.
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Wow, I didn't even know admins can remove reviews if providers whine about them. So they even even more power than I thought. So why does ter need yet even more power delegated there? Why complain about "voices" if a provider can already request a review taken down? Absolutely nothing prevents them from disputing every negative review,unless they're so bad they get a crazy negative review rate.
The funniest thing is, if we use an alias to just write negative reviews, the same damn people will ask "why should we listen to this guy if all of his experiences are negative"? It's a lose-lose proposition for mongers, while giving the seller even more power.
And requiring that the require only be removed if proven to be a fake review -- no meeting ever occurred -- while allowing disputed reviews to stand might allow TER to be more stringent on removing reviews.
That would be a win it sounds.
Now, is this whole providers beat up mongers if they write bad reviews so have all kinds of power true? I don't know. Currently of the New reviews on TER 107 are what I would call bad - either looks or performance 6 or less. That is a bit over 8% of the New reviews (1285). What should that be? Is the claim that more reviews should be 6 or lower?
[And edit/note for GaG: the shit you are talking about is not even about subpar/bad reviews. It seems more about the nothing under an 8 or even 9 if what I've read here over the years is true. But again that gets back to my point about keeping everything out in the open. NO ONE (essesntially) gets to see the deleted reviews -- they are just gone. I don't agree that simply allowing a disputed marker to show on a review creates any new incentive to not write honest reviews.]
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I don't think there's a specific number we need to strive for, reviews should be done organically imo.
However, low negative review percentage means that the question of "what prevents a provider from disputing every negative review? " remains open. If a provider has 8% negative reviews and disputes every one of them, it would not look as bad for provider as you claim to, yet it would further discourage negative reviews from others.
What do you think a monger who's on the fence on whether to write a negative review, would do if he sees that provider disputes every or almost every negative review? Will he say, oh I'm so looking forward to arguing with provider who already might bl or out me, or will he say fuck it, it's not worth the hassle?
It's clearly the latter, to me. So why introduce a tool that further discourages negative or subpar reviews?
Edit:wait, how come the post I'm replying to (by Jensen) is now not visible to me? The one where he said about new reviews being 8% negative?
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Now the girl can, according to GaG, complain behind the scene to TER and get the review removed so no one sees it. That sends the message to the reviewers that TER does NOT have their backs.
How is leaving the review up while putting a disputed tag on it making the reviewer more skeered of the mean girl?
BTW, I've posed a couple to times to some of your BA mongers who reports misleading ads and the like for providers with profiles here. My question has been have you reported a problem. I've not seen any response from them (and that is fine) but you have never hopped on your soap box to promote that action to fix the profiles. That would be exactly how TER allows mongers to police bad ads. Guy sees ad. Guy checks TER finds profile. Guy reads profile and see that age is way different or pics not of girl/really old. Guy moves on having not been fooled by ad.
Why no comment from you on this. Seems like the same hypocritical shit some other people here that you see seem to be a fan of do regularly. Yet again, your credibility seems suspect to me.
Because now sellers don't remove every negative review, at least from my understanding. They actually have to go through admins. They might ask to remove the ones that hit their rep the hardest, but they probably don't want to attract unnecessary attention with many individual requests. This is my speculation, of course.
Again, I ask, what prevents a provider from flagging every review not to their liking, if the process is automated and as easy as clicking a button and bypass admins? To me, it looks like nothing prevents it as long as the number is reasonable (anywhere up to 33%,for example) . But now the fear of review being disputed is added to fear of being bld or outed.
Notice how I did not mention anything about bay area or any kgirl stuff or my soapbox in this thread, yet you chose to attack me personally and my credibility. Well done. Even in context of this argument, you can't help yourself.
What offtopic comment you want from me? I'm here to find problems, not to necessarily fix them. Ter makes money off this site, I don't (and I don't want that money either, not after fosta). It's up to them to clean it up. Do you want me to report a problem with every profile I find misleading? Id be here all day, and I or others might be perceived as someone who is purposefully trying to fuck the business up for some petty reason. Just like you think I am.
OK, I go ahead and report a problem with profile age. The age is changed to 45 instead of 20. Then someone else reports a problem with age and puts it back to 20. Whom does TER believe? What if a reviewer with 300 reviews says one thing and a reviewer with 10 reviews says another, how is it resolved? TER has inherent problem with that providers information is fully controlled by the first person writing the review initially. If each reviewer could put the age that he thought the provider was, that'd be different. I could find reviewers I trust, and look at what they put. With us declaring that on forum, it's easy. You either trust us, or you don't. Having a tug of war on a field in profile is silly imo.
I feel baited into writing reply on something that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic on hand.
And for some reason my responses get bogged down in moderation queue and come out late. Mad frustrating...
About the only way as a client you will get an age changed her is to find an Add where she admits she admits to older or ifsay her first review was 10 years ago and she claims to be 25
Another thing age is first set by reviewer and half of the girls here do not know they can get it changed
Before when reviewers fillies in all the blanks and would say age is wrong there would be a chance to change it if problem report said 4 out of five recent reviewers said older then 25
So if the provider is an agency girl, that sounds close to impossible. We can't take pics of agency girls, and all TER has is our word. So somehow all the power is in the first reviewer's hands. Great.
Simply whining about it on the discussion boards as some people have suggested does no good at all, once the thread falls off the first page it's all but forgotten about, but a "truthful" review will stay there forever, unless or until the provider delists herself, which unfortunately is one way that dishonest providers run away from their bad reviews.
Yes, the profile won't get changed, but if I see a woman with a string of 9-9 reviews and one or two 7-7 reviews those are the first reviews I am going to read to see what made the guy give the girl a lower score, unlike the spineless suckups here who are willing to give every provider every benefit of the doubt every time, I tend to believe the bad reviews, it usually means the guy either has standards or that he isn't worried about the blowback from a BSC hooker. I am sure a LOT of the guys here will disagree with me of course.
I mean, I agree with you. I'm all for writing an honest review.
The main thing I was saying is that from what I've gathered is that "report a problem" doesn't really seem to work. And it seems even less likely to work if you use it many times on profiles you know are not true.
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In the first paragraph of my reviews where I talk about appearance, I state the correct age range if the profiler got it wrong on the first review. If the profile age is correct, then I don't mention age. I agree with DM that its nearly impossible to change it on the profile, and this is an ongoing problem when you have newbies just copying whatever is in the girl's ad when it comes to age. A lot of the reviewers have not seen enough providers to accurately just the age, so that's why they just go with what the ad says. Its up to subsequent reviewers to correct the age in the body of their review and let readers decide who has the most cred when it comes to assessing a girl's real age. If the profile says 21-25, and 6 subsequent reviewers put her at 31-35, who are you going to believe. This whole process requires a little bit of intelligence and common sense on that part of the mongers who are using reviews as a resource to choose a provider to see.
I agree with you almost fully. The only thing I don't is that many times there will be only a couple of reviews and won't be enough sample size to decide who's really right.
And I believe I did compliment your detailed reviews before,its one of the few things that prevent me from really thinking youre an org shill lol.
Anywayy what this means that "report a problem" feature is effectively useless.
So why is Jensen repeatedly accusing bay area posters for not using this feature and calling them hypocrites ?
Has he used it himself? That's kind of my point here.
new reviewers be required to submit a number of reviews that would be peer reviewed essentially (either by TER or perhaps qualified volunteers) that could mentor and QA the efforts first.
The would also eliminate most of the one and done reviews.
It is also why I don't put too much faith in either ads or reviews. Both are merely input for consideration and its the weight of the data that matters.
and TER doesn't just "take your word for it" if a provider is lying about her age. The burden of proof is on the person alleging the false statement, IOW providers are "innocent unless and until proven guilty" I know BPOS claims otherwise, but go ahead and try it a few times without proof positive that the old woman of forty you saw, with the pics of a 20 year old on her website/ads and just see how "easy" it is to get her profile changed.
I wonder, does Jensen do "problem reports"? Since we are now resorting to credibility attacks, it must be OK. He has a review of a provider named milky. She is listed as 20-25. He admits she's "a bit" older. Many other reviews state it blatantly that she's a lot older. Plenty of subpar reviews too.
So Jensen, have you done a problem report on Milkys age? If so, how did it go? If not, why not? Since you like to talk about bay area guys being "hypocrites".
Then
1) Not enough TER mongers or reviewers at submitting the problem report or
2) TER is not interested in serving the mongers (but might want to be more an industry forum and neutral)
If case 1 then all the screaming about the agencies or the providers is useless BS because no one cares. You need to get the mongers taking responsibility for the reviews.
In the latter case, even if there was a large number or reports saying something like age or pics were wrong in the profile but TER won't do anything about then the complaint should be with TER and not the ads which customers don't have much control over. However, as is well known too, the collective group of user here have little control or influence of TER's decisions either.
That then leave us just where I said: use some common sense, be pragmatic and don't trust the ad, the agency or the reviews without additional due diligence.
I can't always spot bullshit, No one can and if they claim they can they are lying either to you or to themselves, BUT I can usually get at least a feel for which providers are at least legit and give a good session by the reviews. Where I find the reviews most lacking is in appearance, not performance. So many "hobbyists" simply have no taste, any woman who will get naked for them looks good to them. GIGO, what can you really do about guys who are either blind or who have no standards?
Good performance has a way of making them look better.
The reverse is also true.
I probably agree on that. I certainly have seen some provider described as "hot" and "really attractive" in terms of their pics that I pretty much thought someone must have been hit on the head or something (drunk and closing time just before the lights come up). However most of the time I think it's more narrow a case -- I don't really sweat something like a 7 - 9 (or maybe even 10) difference of opinion on looks.
I know I've seen a number of women that I think are a lot better looking than any number of professional model -- some even top level -- that other reviewers gave 7s to.
You are right that I have never personally had an indie provider whine to Admin about one of my reviews, even when I used to review them under my old handle. My comments were based on conversations I have had with local LA indies that shared with me how difficult it was for them to challenge reviews. Their POV was that TER would rather leave it up even if there are some inaccuracies and only acted if the review was an outright fake. They had no idea you could mere "whine" because you don't like it, and TER would take it down. Apparently, they are laboring under a misconception, with I willingly adopted in my ignorance, because it made sense to me that TER would not arbitrarily believe the provider over the monger who wrote the review.
I truly believe that you are correct in TERs handling of reviews before the shutdown.
Provider complained and then had to prove. How does one prove a negative.
I believe now it is easier with the “ new kinder TER”
No of a number of fake reviews where provider gave up on getting removed and actually most were not bad just did not happen.
Also believe that in the past providers to delist needed to remove all adds from any sites.
If an add came up somewhere was open to someone reviewing and starting a profile again on said provider.
"new kinder TER" in relation to whom? Providers or Mongers? Sounds like the former.
No, TER doesn’t remove reviews because providers whine about them. It has to be proven that they are fake. It’s hard enough to get Fake reviews removed when they are obviousKy fake.
For example, I’ve had a fake review that said I did a certain thing for about 20 minutes at the beginning of our time, something that I never ever do. Someone said they came to my in call and we went upstairs to the bedroom, there is no upstairs. Someone said they loved my red satin comforter, I have no red satin comforter and never have had one. These are the kinds of things that I’m talking about when I say a fake review is obvious. And they are usually written by men who have written very few reviews.
You guys who have written many reviews and they are real reviews, you don’t ever have them taken down do you? I doubt it. Because a provider cannot just whine about a review and get it taken down.
joining the discussions. You are right about fakes. When I am reading reviews of providers I have also seen, oftentimes false details will jump out that lets me know its a fake, and I then put the reviewer on my list to be ignored. As in your examples, the fake details have nothing to do with the girl, but mischaracterize the location in different ways, i.e., shower curtain when its a glass shower, massage table when there is only a bed, other furniture in the bedroom that isn't there, etc., I could go on but everyone gets the picture. My favorite fake about the girl is when they are last year's photos when she was a blond and now she's a brunette. The review will say she has blond hair because that's what the photos show. I like to screw with these guys by PM'ing them and asking when did she change back to a blond, saw her a week ago and she was a brunette. Mostly you get crickets, but some try something lame like, "I meant I liked her blond hair in the PHOTOS." Sure he did, because that's all he saw of her.
To be fair, a shower door can be replaced.and if people see a lot of girls, their memory starts getting blurry. I sometimes don't remember how a particular girls boobs felt and looked like, much less a shower curtain.
But I generally agree with you.
Details are something that fake reviews generally skimp on, due to this fact that it's easy to say something wrong. The more generic a review is, the easier it is to sound right, but it becomes more useless.
If you can remove a girl's name from a review and substitute most other girls name and itd be true, it's usually an indication of a generic review. Details help both the writer and reader. They help the writer to establish credibility. One of the easiest indication of fake reviews is them describing getting a service a girl you know well will not do, on the first appointment.
you go to that have a curtain on a stall shower. I was talking about replacing a tub/shower combo with a curtain, like you get at most hotels, with a stall shower that's all glass. That's a one or two day construction job. In my 12 years, I have never seen an org close down a business for two days for both girls in order to replace a tub with a shower. The fact that I was just there, and a week later some fake review said it was a stall shower is just bullshit. It may be "fair" to say it can be changed, but its not at all realistic to suggest that error makes a review legit. Sometimes, you over-speculate.
Do you REALLY have to hit him with it? Sheesh.
I can understand lashing out at BPOS on every post you exchange with him, but you and Rocket actually have some shit in common, Yes he's an argumentative fuck, but so are you. At least TRY not to turn every exchange with him into a never ending fucking argument that runs off the right side of the page, Are you TRYING to become another BFSF?
the part of his post that I didn't agree with. He often does the same with me. Its not personal, its just disagreement on certain points among generally like-minded individuals. You will often comment on one part of my posts that you think I got wrong, while agreeing with the rest, and I, likewise, with you. Its what we do here. Where is this sensitivity coming from today?
BTW, the last exchange that ran off the edge of the page was you and him, not me and him. Just sayin.
and most of the last few posts were comments about "banging our heads against the wall" lol
But yes, I suppose you have a point, carry on.
Um, OK. I pretty much agreed with you but you really want to argue over a curtain?
Sheesh. Yeah I go to corgs, they have curtains. Some corgs are in low quality motels. It is what it is.
But you're right, I'm wrong. There's no way I'm arguing over a goddamn shower curtain, even I will draw the line somewhere. Good day to you sir.
write a mediocre but not bad review for a bad provider. don't give to many details. leave it at, "you would not repeat. "
in the reviewers only forum give the real details of how bad she was.
problem solved.
First off a "bad provider" deserves a bad review, not a mediocre one, and secondly, you didn't just suggest that the RO board is somehow more "secure" than any other board on TER, did you? You might want to ask anyone who knows "MacLeaky" or any of the other spineless fucking jellyfish on the RO board about just how fucking secure that board is.
And yes, I have ZERO reviews, and even I have been on the RO board. if you don't believe me do a search by my handle on that board, or under my main alias from years ago "GaGamblerssmarterbrother" and you will see dozens of posts I have made on the "Reviewers ONLY" board.
lol. don't get your panties i a bunch. I am Bros before Hos. 100.
yes there are these pussy whipped guys running around trying to marry the hos. but if someone has any sense they can see "I would not repeat" and get the hint.
I am pretty sure the RO board has limp dick guys showing the hos the posts but so what? at least its semi walled off.
there used to be a great back channel for us but unfortunatly it is no more.
Where is this reviewers only section of the TER board located?
TIA
While in the Discussions Boards main menu look under More. I don't think it is open to just anyone.
A reviewer must have 10(?) published reviews and if I recall correctly, have some board presence.
If you have these, then you must send a request to TER management to be allowed on the Reviewers Only Board.
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A PROVIDER must have a minimum of three reviews and a board presence to qualify to get on the "Providers only" board. A REVIEWER must have minimum of TEN reviews and a board presence as a prerequisite to getting on the "Reviewers only" board. Come on Fish, I thought we were going to leave the bad advice giving to Swim. lol
I swear to God, I drink and others get drunk. lol
I edited my post to correct it while you were typing your correction.
I guess I drink and "I" get drunk. lol
You are still a fucking fucker. lol
Hi! Got in late with this, fuckers, but from my 'limited' experience, most mongers don't write reviews in the first place.
I've had many a 'gent' ask me 'really' what I thought when I wrote a review...
We all know it's who you know and how easy you can be referred.
Of course I get the reason why any guy is here. But to me the true 'hobbyist' pays to use the site to meet ladies and doesn't care about the free weeks if they write reviews.
They have, in my experience, asked me what I really thought and did their own thing.
Yeah it helps if they got out of their shell, but they have their reasons. Just like the formula that every provider has 100 reviews she's seen 20x that many guys.
It is what it is and if you wanna taste what the previous guy had for breakfast, you're a freak and knock yourself out..!
I have 10 reviews. Is there anything interesting on the RO board? If it just the same old I wouldn't bother TER with a request. But if we get a key to the executives' private whore house, then I'm in.
RO board, nothing interesting but also none of the nasty spillover you get from the political board into general topics board. Basically like being in a homeowners association, its nice for a reason.
where reviewers can let their hair down and really say what's on their minds without worrying about how it will appear to the gals, in fact it is a rare post that has any controversy about it at all owing to the pervasive (and well justified) belief that there are numerous guys who allow gals they know to read the board when they get together.
One wag noted that there are probably more gals reading the RO Board than there are guys.
Pretty much. And LOL about more ho's reading the board than bro's.
where reviewers can let their hair down and really say what's on their minds without worrying about how it will appear to the gals, in fact it is a rare post that has any controversy about it at all owing to the pervasive (and well justified) belief that there are numerous guys who allow gals they know to read the board when they get together.
One wag noted that there are probably more gals reading the RO Board than there are guys.
Wonder if they also get to read the PO board in return.
I suppose that is what comes from the longer dates -- shop talk. lol
Not that the PO board doesn't leak too, but anything said on RO might as well be said directly here on GD. The only reason you don't hear more about what's said there is that it's so mind numbingly boring it hardly bears repeating.
I'm not on RO (or PO), but that is the opposite of what I would have expected:
http://www.rgj.com/story/life/wellness/2018/07/06/urinary-incontinence-more-common-women-than-men/764267002/
"It simply is a fact that urinary incontinence is twice as common in women than men and that the likelihood of urinary incontinence increases with age."
Yes, don't write review where everyone can see them, instead do it only where select few can.
Am I the only one completely appalled at this suggestion? But, at least consistent with what I've been saying about mongers being scared of writing non-positive reviews.
Tell me, why do mongers need to hide and write non-positive reviews behind peoples back, on a site whose primary purpose (even the name has 'review' in it?) is providing truthful feedback?
You are hardly the only one here with his nutsack intact, but we are most definitely in the minority where it comes to putting the mongers first where it comes to being honest about bad sessions.
It's just like NCNS, "some" of the guys don't believe in naming names, but as you said, that's the whole purpose that this site was created for. I guess some guys are so pussy whipped at home it's become a way of life for them so they even let the hookers that they only rent by the hour to walk all over them just like they let their old fat wives do to them at home.
I think this gotten a little bit too personal. Lol. That fat wife stuff is not necessary imo.
Tbh I'm an anonymous monger and as such I have less fears, someone who entrusts their entire info to provider might be scared shitless if it comes out. I'm not going to try to push the whole 'mean girls' stuff that Jensen mocks, but I've seen girls on switter and such out guys for not wanting to comply with screening rules, by posting their numbers and names publicly. That's insane. And most of those girls don't even have proper screening procedures outlined. Girls get mad that mongers "waste their time", but to me as long as mongers are courteous, and just say "sorry no can do", the provider would be a big bitch for airing their info. Plain and simple.
Sorry, got carried away into offtopic. There are definitely guys who can enjoy anonymity and still won't say a bad thing about providers even with bad experience, yeah. That's a problem.
I wrote a negative review of a "high" end provider, that was just a normal DMV girl. Even her hair was a different color and cut - totally. She tried to rip me a new one, and complained to TER. I have to give props to TER. They wanted proof I saw her, which I had, and the review stood. The appalling part was I had FOUR mongers PM me saying they had the same bad experience with this provider. WTF!!!! Several hundred $$$$ down the drain, which could have been avoided if there was at least ONE review that pointed it out honestly.
Yes, don't write review where everyone can see them, instead do it only where select few can.
Am I the only one completely appalled at this suggestion? But, at least consistent with what I've been saying about mongers being scared of writing non-positive reviews.
If you don't mind me asking, what proof did you have? For example, I've seen around 100 kgirls last year alone, but besides texts with POs that could easily be fabricated, I don't really have any proof. Obviously if provider allows photo/video, it's different.
You don't have PM (private messages) ability. Publicly, I will say I had e-mail exchanges which included her phone number.
I would think texts to the agency number and the other reviews pointing to the ad for her at the agency during the time would be as good as any email exchange. Or are you saying, for what you are saying publicly, it was more the combination of email and phone number that TER could cross reference to the event?
As you can see he is posting under an alias and ONLY TER VIP members are allowed an alias, which means EVERYONE posting under an alias has PM capability. Plus I have spoken to him via PM personally. lol
I'm talking to Team Rocket, you can't PM him. I can PM jensen all day every day.
Click on messages at top of page. Click on Compose. Enter his alias handle in the "to" field. Make sure it is exactly as he writes it. Compose your PM hit send. He will get it. This is just another example of things TER doesn't post anywhere so people will know. His alias is still protected. Doing this won't reveal his TER user name.
Thanks, appreciated. But I thought if his PM didn't come down from the pull down menu on his name by his post, that he didn't have status (paid, from review, etc.) to receive PMs? No?
Anyway, gave it a try will see what happens. Learn something new everyday.
because ONLY VIP members are allowed an alias.
Unfortunately alias posters are the only people that you know for sure can receive PM's, there is no way to know if someone posting under their "real" fake name are VIP or basic members. Well actually providers who have their reviews linked to their handle also have "limited VIP" without paying for it and are able to use TER's private messaging system. But with the guys there is no way to tell if they are "current" VIP members or not, except for those using an alias of course.
My bill is in the mail. lol
I'm not opening it, I can't afford your rates. :P
But I've gotten PMs while I did not have VIP status, could see the count in Messages but just was not able to access until review submitted or paid.
And then what happens is when you broadcast to the board the fact you no longer have VIP some asshole like me will send you a BUNCH of PM's until your curiosity gets the best of you after seeing that you have a dozen new PMs and you renew your VIP membership just to find out that your inbox is not full of PMs from a bunch of hotties, but from some prick like me who is just fucking with you. lol
Well, I seldom broadcast to the board what my status is but that doesn't really matter. If I let the VIP laps I really don't care what someone leaves in the dead letter office.
I do have some good conversations and have, presumably, provided useful information to those I PM with but I am hardly essential or the keeper of hidden knowledge -- and when I might be in that position I actually keep it hidden.
but those that do are usually driven crazy when they have a load of messages in their inbox that they can't read. They always think they are missing something, like maybe a $1,000 hr provider privately offering them a 90% discount. lol
I agree about "Hidden knowledge" it's usually hidden for good reason and I am hardly the one to break a confidence either.
Even w/o VIP, you always access (read / send) official emails from and to TER Admin, too.
But I've gotten PMs while I did not have VIP status, could see the count in Messages but just was not able to access until review submitted or paid.
I verify every review I get before I whitelist the person and I think it’s important to do that to be safe.
Of course if TER is giving away free VIP time for reviews there will always be fake reviews. They’re not safe, they are inaccurate, and I don’t think they should be left up.
But the big problem is, If they just post, “provider disputes review” and leave it up, the fake reviews still effect a providers averages and position on the top 100 list. Almost all of the fake reviews that I disputed were written by guys who had less than five reviews. Usually 2 or 3. Probably the first reviews were also fake but they weren’t disputed. It’s not safe to leave them up. And it’s not fair.
It seems irresponsible to offer free VIP for reviews and not be willing to remove reviews that are fake.
Hey, I pay my 20$ a month too. It seems like that should cover protection for me from fake reviews 2 or 3 times a year.
We don't live in a world of perfect information and TER is not party to anything other than what is submitted to the site. In other words they do not really know who is telling the truth, and that can actually be the case even when a bunch of people want to say "well it is obvious!".
I think the fact that neither the monger side or the provider side is happy about things suggest TER is at least attempting to play the role of government, police and judge (make the rules, investigate breaches of the rules, judge if the evidence is sufficient to say a breach has occurred so a penalty can be imposed) fairly. It's not like we're hearing no review is ever taken down when contested or every review is taken down when contested, nor hearing if a provider contests TER acts but not when a monger contest or the reverse.
So I think if people want to keep complaining about the status quo of review quality (be is real/fake, honest/shill, details/too general) then suggesting solution is where the effort should be put. But there are competing interests on TER so to expect that one side or the other side will be "happy" with the results is probably the indication something is not right.
I'm glad you acknowledged competing interests.
Providing solution isn't easy,as roots of issues stem far from TER. I actually fully agree with you that there is no perfect solution.
A lot of reasons why both sides are unhappy originate with what reviews stand for. In reality, many still think that reviews are equal to a vouch.
Ie, a monger finds some ad they like. They see a number. They want to check that someone can vouch that they won't be robbed, etc. They enter phone number into search engine, come up on some reviews and want to make sure the scores aren't super low and it's not a rob or catfish.
While it's perfectly normal and natural and recommended to do this, what this monger is looking for isn't a review per se, more like a cursory review. And for something like kgirl agencies, you don't really need to do it,as one of the big advantages of going to an agency is that they won't rob you and blatant b&s is fairly rare.
It gets more complicated even when talking about scores for service. Service is more objective than looks, but often providers don't think they should be rated lower for not providing something that is not on their menu. Whereas as some mongers do think that,me included. That does create a clash. The provider says I don't provide dt nor dfk only Vanilla cfs and CBJ, it's clearly on my ad, so why lower my score if I fully do what I do? Makes sense? Kinda does. The monger says, I'm rating you against other girls who do things you don't do, such as bbbj dt and rim, so naturally they will get a better grade for service because when someone looks for service queens, they should find girls who do all that good shit. Makes sense? Also kinda does, right?
Providers then get mad at low reviews and threaten or BL guys who write such reviews. In turn, mongers get more scared to write negative reviews and then either pass Intel via pm or just keep it to themselves. No one benefits there besides the provider.
On other hand, some monger with an obsessive vendetta against a girl who didn't let him hit raw when other reviews indicate everyone else did, can keep giving her low scores. The funniest/saddest such moment can arise when shill/org reviews describe a service not done by the girl and new monger who bites on these discovers this.
There is no real solution that would benefit both sides, you're absolutely correct. And it doesn't really have to do anything with TER but everything to do with monger/provider relationship and nature of reviews. A providers bad reviews will affect her cash flow, so many are motivated to keep the scores high by any means. And a monger who wants detailed honest blow by blow review will argue otherwise. If someone is prepared to lie or withhold information in order to make reviews higher (or lower), TER can't help that. And turns out, in this biz, many are prepared to lie because consequences for lying are negligible.
At the end of the day, all you can do is to choose a side and lobby for it. Or go for status quo. But status quo is the easiest and laziest position to take.