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Most providers refuse to discuss negotiating their rates, and most state it on their websites.  Once you become a 'regular' of a provider, that may change or they will spend extra time with you.

Have you considered becoming a Gigolo?  I know in Las Vegas there are many straight young men that service Cougars, and make quite a bit of money.  Also, they are having sex 24/7 with their clients, which you seem to enjoy.  Anyhow, just something for you to think about.  

You sound like a petulant 18 year old. It's one thing to be upfront with women about only wanting sex and not relationships but to come on here talking about replacing women who 'drop off' with others from the club - hahahaha oh boy it makes you sound like a sad little punk. Most women are lazy, overweight and entitled??? Oh stop its too early for this much mindless entertainment  

Good luck to any self respecting lady on TER who ends up with you as a client. I hope she plays you for every penny you've got.

You did not have to tell us you are under 30.  It is obvious from your "wondering" that you have had little experience with the opposite sex.

A woman would be offering you her body; there can be nothing more personal she can give.  Do you think trying to negotiate her price is likely to result in any woman giving you a GFE experience?

If you spend a lot of time searching that-page and that-list sites you might find some women desperate for cash, but you would have to spend a lot of time learning which ads are scammers trying to get your phone #/email address and which ones might be LE

I'm sure he'll be along any moment now lol.  

But to the OP:  Ummmm....... yeah, I've got nothing.  Sorry.  

Hang tight, and negotiator of all negotiators should be here to school you in all your hobbying/haggling needs.  

 
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Nooner: An intimate encounter during the lunch hour; especially one that is illicit

I think the only way you'll get a discount from a regular is if the provider is short of business.  Filling an empty time slot even at a discount brings in more money than otherwise getting zero.  However if she is to the higher standards that you undoubtedly seek, she probably has sufficient work.  So it's problematic.  Also it's not good PR for the provider for it to become known that she offers discounts.

Finally, if I were young, I would save my pennies while getting established.  You're talking about $8k per year.  Stick with the freebies if at all possible.

Never negotiate with prostitutes
that's # 1, its their body and if they feel that's what their body is worth  
you either take it or leave it .  

I tend to stay with cheaper girls cause I'd rather have fun 2 times a week for lets say for 200
than one time for 400 + . This is strictly what you are willing to spend or can afford on entertaining yourself in one week or month . We all have to have what I call a hooker budget LOL  
Each week I replenish my hooker trust fund and if it gets nice and fat , I sometime will treat myself  
for more expensive entertainers . But more expensive does not mean better,  
I have shit loads of fun and with super hot chicks for 200 range .  

#2. From what you make it sound , you seem like a stud who does not have problems with chicks  
and that's fine . I think, if you are concerned already with your studies and carrier has not fully taken off yet , maybe wise idea for you is to stay to the bar seen and yes on occasion  
fuck those fatter and less pretty chicks after all they need to get laid too lol , and stay focused on your carrier and once you reach this goal and you will have little bit more money for naughty fun , then I would consider jumping in to the hobby seen. The only reason I say that is because this hobby is very much habit forming and can be addictive , YES I AM ADDICTED and on top expensive.  Crap , I don't even want sex with my wife for god sakes , and she is very pretty .

Anyway , hope this helps

Just make sure u were having the time of ur life while making those mistakes lol 😘

Thanks for the clarification. I'm starting the realize that negotiations for regular visits is probably not the best idea. Most of the service providers I've seen on here are worth the price they list and more.

I will check into that... That may be a good option for me.

Someone on this board said the same thing to me eight months ago. I laughed I thought it was the funniest thing I heard. What I want to know is where or how should we advertise? I'm not pimping myself on CL. I have yet to come across a women willing to pay for sex in my every day world. We can't advertise on TER.

 
Robbin what do you think a guy in Vegas makes or charges an hour.  

I want to see where this goes.
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There is NOTHING wrong with "cycling" women through your life, it's exactly what guys here do with hookers and then you have both johns and hookers looking down their elitists noses at you.

Now for the bad news, with the budget you have and the sexual appetite you appear to have, this is not the place for you. Keep in mind these women are here to make a living, by and large they are not lazy, entitled, etc, but they can't pay the bills with the likes of you. You said yourself you need to recycle your women as you grow tired of them, so what's in it for a hooker to discount herself, just to be "recycled" in a couple of months?

My only real advice is to perhaps try the Sugar Bowl, Sugar Babies are much cheaper than hookers, and you can "spin plates" to your heart's content.  

One last bit of "old man" advice, fucking hookers really is not what a young guy like you should really be doing, not because of any of this bullshit about maturity, yaddy fucking yaddy, but because this is an expensive hobby and investing in your career right now will yield much higher dividends than blowing all your money on hookers. Go out make your first million THEN come back here and fuck all the hookers you want without worrying about the cost.

I'm 30. I could be saving my money responsibly, investing in my career, future, yada yada yada.

But then I wouldn't be getting any pussy. So much for that idea

Thank you for the response. This is exactly what I wanted to hear.

You'll need to start off by completely wiping out the "I'm not unattractive by any means", as that insists that the women only see unattractive men. You are insulting her clientele, which many of us really appreciate and enjoy. I HATE it when these young, skinny dudes with wavy hair and a shredded 8-pack think they're saving us from unattractive men. I have banged plenty-a-ripped men in their low 30's, who were also successful, and *puke* they didn't understand how to get a woman wet by a long shot.

You may not be looking for a relationship now, but I suggest beginning your quest to have a relationship in 15 years now - start practicing - a good woman is going to be attracted to certain things, and egotistical / leaning only on looks only lasts a short while... it will run out in an LTR if you're trying to lean solely on your ability to "find someone else if you don't work out."

As much as you may think you'll change in a day the day you decide you want an LTR, you won't. The things you practice now, and invest yourself in now will develop who you will be. Now matters for 15 years down the line.

Most women cheat because they're lacking the affection, appreciation, and attention, not the sex. I've had sex with other men simply because I wanted a long hug that my SO wouldn't give me. (We had an open relationship, but if we didn't I would have cheated lol.) I wanted the compliments that he wouldn't give me, and the appreciation. Finally I ditched his ass, and also the asses of the boys who pay me, but don't appreciate me. I will NOT see someone again if they act like I'm not good enough for them. Fine. Go see someone else who gives you what you want. WHY are you still here? Dumbass. Because you are looking for someone to cut down, so you can feel like all of the women jump and do cartwheels for your approval.

It's an ego thing.

If you want some sort of arrangement, or package deal, I will tell you right now, the ego has GOT to go. You will be quoted your pay per date rate, while she's offering the guy who books her every week, asking for zero discounts,and making her feel good about herself - with no threats that "he could drop her and find someone else any day".

There's a trick to making a woman feel secure, appreciated, admired, and enjoyed. If you make her feel like that, you have a better chance of obtaining some sort of arrangement level.  

It takes a while to develop those skills. Start now, because you may not have your looks and age to lean upon - or maybe you will.. you never know. As of now, from what I'm reading, you seem to have the mindset of "girls aren't good enough for me" (FAIL) and "I can just find another one if I get tired of her" (FAIL.) or "she couldn't get a guy like me if she tried. She's lucky" (FAIL).  

If you want something out of someone, you have to make them feel good in many ways, including good about themselves... not just glad she got a hottie. And it must be genuine... so start practicing how to genuinely appreciate women, not just butter her up. (I can read through that bullshit in a snap - and they don't get a date with me.)

I could snap my fingers and get a ripped hottie tonight. I still have my speed dial buttons for my "dick tours". But I just got tired of this annoying, immature bullshit - and you're right. I got lazy. They couldn't keep it going and going and going (cash helps, many younger men are cheap in conventional dating, but they expect me to put in the dollars to show up like a unicorn. *puke*.)

If you don't mind paying full price for years to come, and also having unenthusiastic sex, which it sounds like you're getting with these "lazy women" you're finding, then so be it. Keep the ego. But if you want to get a woman wet and excited to suck and fuck, season yourself and learn how to fuck her mind. That's what sends the signals to get the juices flowing and the hips moving. The moans and groans, and the sloppy, wet, enthusiastic blow jobs.

So. The lazy women may be out fucking the shit out of other men, and you may be getting their leftovers. "Eh, ok, I'll fuck him because he's hot." Because you don't know how to flip that switch that turns her from a "meh" experience to an "Oh-my-god" experience.

Trust me. You're hearing this from a woman. Also - I suggest dropping the "discount" deal altogether. Find someone below your price range as your first exercise... then tip her based on your price range. See what happens.

Good luck.

P.S. Macs are awesome.
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and if you are already getting laid, you can't really afford hookers and you are young, trying to build a career, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to bite the bullet until you are in a better position to afford it?

Naturally I am only speaking for him, certainly not myself. I am a firm believer in the "what if I get hit by a bus tomorrow?" philosophy. I'd go for the pussy and always have, but that doesn't mean that the other approach is not smarter for "most" guys. OTOH, fucking hookers is MUCH cheaper than getting married and/or knocking up one of the civvies he's fucking. So point well taken.

I try not to give "Do as I say not as I do" advice, but sometimes using my own life as a template would be a horrible fucking idea. lol

The men featured on the top row (see link) are featured on the Reality TV Show, Gigolos.

Besides the site below, you can find ads for gigolos on various escort malls.  Just make sure to search for straight male gigolos.

Also, in Vegas there are male strippers who are straight, and escort on the side.  Same with some of the straight male porn stars, but the porn stars are usually UTR.

As far as what a gigolo earns, it depends on their location...but, they usually charge less than female providers.

Good luck, and if it's something you think you'd be interested in pursuing...Go for it.

Sorry but the kid is too self absorb and full of himself to be a gigolo, he loves eye candy...Can you imagine him walking in on a client who is over 50, with her tits sagging to her knees and a belly flopping over her waistline. You think this cat will mustard the huevos  to do her, then cuddle afterwards??? Baby you're nuts. Dude his age should be banging beaver at the  local bar scene and working on his career...I have a better shot at being a gigolo, and I'm and old fuck....lol.  

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The problem with the word "Judgmental" is when someone gives good advice, and it shows a flaw, people run right to the judgmental card.

I really think this guy was asking for how to get package deals, and the consensus that he needs to drop the ego. Though, thought the tone of his message, it sounded like he was simply being honest about where he was at - but when you're trying to get good sex, many of those thoughts show ego, and cause women to cave in and focus on being "good enough" as opposed to turned on.

But he was asking about package deals here, within the escort community, without being a long term customer. And you're right, a sugar baby is the way to go with a monthly allowance or something. He could get a monthly part time sugar baby a couple times a week (who is also giving ass elsewhere) for the same as one multi-hour with many ladies.

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Dear USGrantlover,
You already know the answer to your question.  

No, GaG would NEVER fuck an old lady!  

But, I do love him, anyhow.

and people judge me all the time, the difference between me and most here is I don't give a fuck when other people judge me. If I disagree with them, I simply tell them to fuck off. Problem solved.

Honestly it would never occur to me to whine about how unfairly people judge me on this site. That doesn't mean that people don't unfairly judge others here, we've all seen hundreds of "my fetish is ok, but yours is sick" posts around here. It's a lot easier to tell those people to GFY than it is to let them into your head to the point you have to whine about it.

The OP was/is simply looking to get laid, and when you have a limited bankroll you either have to do without, "settle" or look for more creative ways of getting laid. I don't see a thing wrong with bedding and then dumping civvies, unless he is being super manipulative in the way he is doing it. I think many of the guys are just jealous that they don't have enough game to score in the real world.

but my idea of an "old lady" is about 35. lol

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Pfffftttt!

XOXO's GaG!

and then I wake up the next day and go "Oh. Maybe I judged them wrong." Then I think "They'll get over it." lol.

That's an everyday occurrence. But as Louis CK says, the more people that know you exist, the more people that are going to hate you. Also, the more you put out there, the more people have to judge lol.

best advice here.  I'm an 'old guy' too and didn't start hobbying until eight years ago, AFTER I had build up several successful businesses by working hard and staying focused on my career.  There was still time along the way for many years of civvie dating and even a marriage.  The civvie dating develops your social skills, personality, and builds your "game" with women so that you will never be without pussy the rest of your life in case you can't pay for it when you are older. I still see some civvie women now and then myself, but prefer the lifestyle of seeing providers because its always on my own schedule, and I don't have to call them the next day and schmooze.  At this point in my life, my attention to my business career and asset building when I was younger  allows me to hobby now at a very high volume, and I'm enjoying every minute of it.  

As GaG says, this hobby is expensive if you do it right, and probably not the best option for a guy that is young and has yet to become successful and financially secure.  The way to know when the time is right to start hobbying is when you have more money than time.  When you're young, you have more time than money, so spend that time seducing civvie girls.  Its a much better balance as you move towards success.

And I'd train him to be a passionate Gigolo.

hpygolky, one thing I've learned about people in my lifetime...some who come off as arrogant, when writing on discussion boards or speaking, use their cockiness to shield their insecurities.  After spending quality time with them, their guard comes down, and inside...there's usually a very nice person.  Notice how he modified his OP, and wasn't combative with anyone, when everyone started bashing him?  That, right there, tells me he's probably a guy I'd like to get to know better.

The most judgmental people are the ones lecturing me about what a douche bag I am for being judgmental. :-

Isn't that hypocritical? Which I guess the two go hand in hand. I have someone who I see, who calls me out on contradicting information ALL the time - almost like he's trying to find it. "But you said this then, and that then"  

And I said "What I thought yesterday may not be what I think today, or even what I think tomorrow. But my intentions aren't bad." Poor guy is just searching for lies, lol. A lot of people don't even realize they're doing it. We are wired to make judgments, I think thousands per second if I'm not mistaken?  

We have to make judgments in order to make decisions. And then we have to accept that we will judge wrong. That's what "I'm sorry, please forgive me" is for. LOL. A lot of people don't know how to admit they were wrong, or judged wrong.

I'm turning into my mother. lol

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Someone has the hots for you. Lol

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Thanks for investing the time into the reply.  

It's interesting that you read the "not unattractive by any means" as an insult to the men that use this site. It wasn't. Just explaining my situation in hopes that someone else was or is in the same boat. I guess I'll work on making my ego less visible with more delicate explanations.

I'll admit I have high standards which are unreasonable. I feel like that's why waiting until I'm older to LTR is the best idea. I should be way more mature, experienced, and secure financially.

Lastly, is it manipulation if I learn to make women feel good about themselves only to pump and dump them? Like I said, I'm up front about things not going past casual sex, and it blows the frick up in my face just like waiting to tell the girl until after I've "had my fill" as some say. It's like I can't win here, hence my choice to get into this hobby. I wasn't under the impression that escorts required a lot of security, appreciation, and admiration. Of course I would provide it, and as an absolutely NEWBIE, I admit that my presumptions about this entire thing are probably dead wrong, but that's why I'm posting here.

I have a small number of regulars, where I have developed great relationships.   They seem to really enjoy my company, which surprised me to begin with, since in most senses they are out of my league.   I think this happens because I behave in a way that Courtney so eloquently explained.  When I repeat, it is because I appreciate these women as people first.  Your initial impression is likely correct - escorts don't "require" appreciation and admiration per se. But if you move beyond what they "require", you might be surprised with what comes back in the other direction.  

There is one lady who I repeat with as much as possible.   One of the reasons, is that I have huge respect for her, for reasons that go well beyond her role as a provider.  I deal with a ton of people at the supposed upper echelons of the business world, due to me being founder and CEO of a tech company.  But there are just a handful that I respect as much as her.   I think she has figured this out, so we have amazing sessions.  In spite of me not being attractive by any means.  

So if you step into this world, you might be surprised at what you find if you handle yourself in a certain way.  I know that it sure surprised me.

TER's Newbie Board, as it's very helpful for all hobbyists and providers (newbs & old-timers).

She gave me a lot of useful advice on how to get women via personal ads back in the day.

If someone is bringing in a regular flow of cash, they're security. But a one and done, let's give him a discount for no reason - it may work for some ladies, but I just don't think you're going to get her best. You may never see her again, but if you're generous and don't argue about rates, she's going to try to get you to come back simply by not being a problem. If you don't come back, no big deal. But she's gonna' try, especially if you tip her. (Even 20 bucks.)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting meaningless sex. This is definitely the place to go to if you want that with no attachment. It's more the going to a woman on the first shot, expecting her to be awesome, enthusiastic, and put in her all, when your first communication with her is to give her less than the "all" she wants out of you.

Even if she doesn't realize what's happening, it's a give and take, and it dries out the twat just a little bit. 100% + 100% from both sides.

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Oh, back in the day - lol. I've learned so much. But those personal ads, that was fun - though no money was exchanged. But - to me, it was like calling an escort. I was able to get whatever I wanted in looks/age to the T. Too funny! lol!