There seems to be a growing trend in the area where I participate in P4P.  It seems more  
ladies are requiring that the man furnish his real legal name as  a requirement for meeting. I have even had situations where P411 ok's don't mean a thing, even when the lady and the man are both P411
members.  Safety seems to be the reason for this requirement.  I totally agree with their concern about their safety, absolutely.  But giving out my real legal name for the opportunity of meeting?  Will she give me her real legal name?

Many women play in an area in which they were raised, so getting real world info also eliminates the chance of setting up a date with a neighbor, a co-worker in their vanilla job, or worse, a relative. There are still many women who don't ask for that info but I agree the trend is heading that way.

in America, I would say at some point it will be legalized or at least decriminalized. Maybe decriminalized first and then legalized. Who knows..  Isn't NYC already is declining to prosecute prostitution arrests.. I guess this is where it starts.. .Just look at the pot industry. In last 10 yrs we have come a long way..

Most of them post on Twitter about requiring deposits.  I've never done a deposit, maybe it's for newbies only.  

NYC is comprised of 5 counties and each one has its own District Attorney's office which may be doing things differently. One or two are saying they won't prosecute the ladies but they would still charge clients.

I have yet to be asked for real world info and have always been good to go with P411, fortunately. I would have to think long and hard about giving real info.

P. Griffin - long & hard, ha!
Quagmire - giggity!

And if she has your real name and the date goes badly,  you don't dare write a review.

But what about our safety?  I indulged an agency once with my real info, but never again.  If it were me, I would move on as quickly as I would from an unreviewed provider demanding deposits.

If submitting a P411 can't get me a date, then it's a date that I don't need.  I won't hesitate to move on to the next. It's amazing some these women want real names and numbers but hide behind their stage/provider names.  There is no reason for this, especially if you have a handful of recent "Okays" that vouch for your credibility.  No vagina is that good to risk being outed, and lose everything.  This is a hobby.  

Violence is up and I'm not expecting that to get better in the near future. There are many frustrated people these days. Offenders are mostly men. Sex workers are targets. Nothing new there.
The one-sidedness might be justified.

Twitter Escort:
"I’m taking fewer bookings as I’m prioritising other endeavours. I’d advise early and in advance booking to avoid disappointment."

Of the 5 women I reached out in the NYC area in the last 2 months, 3 told me that they would not compromise on ID and LinkedIn page even if I was willing to provide references of other women.  No need to belabor the point but I met with two of the 5.  It is a no-win situation (her safety/her rules) and you just have to move on (as painful as that may be sometimes). I have my boundaries and she has hers.  

when I first started reviewing indies on another site 10+ years ago.  I reviewed a couple of bad dates and had all kinds of blowback, from the ladies in question, other ladies, and their regular customers.  That's why I don't review the indies I  see anymore.  Its not worth it.  

Two different high dollar ladies visiting the northeast from southern california.   Both had an assistant that told me  that P411 (I have many, many OKs there going back years) was only for secondary screening and that I would need to provide personal info.    It could be that it was the same assistant for both ladies, since what they wanted (ID, linkedin, work email, etc...) were very similar in both cases.       One was even herself a member of P411, which I find especially troubling since being asked for personal information seems to defeat P411's role as a screening service.   In any event, I told them I couldn't give out personal info on the Internet to people I haven't met and since they wouldn't budge I had to move on.  

yeah i agree with you ..   move on if p411 and TER white is not sufficient ........ of course if they want to give you the girl's real name and address in return  ............  

because many NCNS, meanwhile going to a hotel, sitting waiting and loosing that money.... would u  meet with someone with some random user name, putting your life at risk and or paying for a hotel if the guy has no intentions to show up?

p411 is only useful as to have one place to hold your references, but references are not the main source of screening.

..are okay with missing out on small number of bookings due to potential clients not willing to screen to their comfort or pay a deposit. That's a lesson we thankfully learn: we will not (and should not) be every client's cup of tea.

In mine I have found HUNDREDS of providers who apparently disagree with you.

You are free to believe and run your business any way you feel is best.

Are you leaving open the option to pay to be beg for pussy? Just want to be clear on the policy - lol

will not give out a lot of personal information to get screened.  From my years on the TER discussion boards, I would say its a clear majority.  Its just that you're not hearing  from that many because word spreads quickly about which providers have overly intrusive screening, and as a result, the rest of us don't even bother to contact you.  So while it may seen like a small number, you're only hearing from the ones who are still trying to book you.  The rest have given up because they know what policy is.

I should add that my experience is that with P411 and plenty of good references, it's very seldom that a provider insists I turn over personal info.   I would say less than 1% of the time after many years of doing this.   I do sometimes skip over someone if their ad looks too insistent on getting this type of info, but I also find that many providers will relax this requirement after checking my references and getting a reasonable explanation of why I can't give that out.   Since I don't run into the "send me a copy of your DL or go away" type message very often, I was a bit surprised to get it twice in a week.   Frankly, I put it down to a single unreasonable assistant.     It's OK though, since now I have $2500 that I wouldn't have otherwise had, which I can now spend on several of the other lovely ladies that I've been hoping to meet.

That will or at least take the number up to an "overwhelming majority" and make the number of guys willing to even start the booking process a very "small number" indeed. Or at least the guys with any sense.

I suppose thats the joy of casting a wide net  - TER happens to only be one of those links. Ultimately, transparency really is the winner. It serves no purpose for someone to find out only after contacting a provider that they require screening and deposits that may go beyond their comfort level -- I can imagine how frustrating that could be for the client. Its also a real time saver for the provider to be upfront and allows them to focus their attention on the right matches.  Everyone has a lane to play in.

Unlike some guys here, I don't "resent" providers that demand their clients jump through a lot of hoops. I am completely on board with "your body, your rules" or more accurately I suppose "your business, your rules"

I tend to think it's not so much about safety as it is getting leverage over clients to keep them from giving bad reviews and ruining their business.  

that tried to increase their screening requirement and/or add a deposit requirement eventually worked their way down to having a relatively low volume business, but not by design, its just the way it worked out.  However, if you think its a win for you,  that's all that matters.

The OP and I have gone back and forth on this once before on our regional board but I think we both handled it like adults and were respectful. I digress.  However, I will drop a few notes and y'all can glean from them what you will.  

No doubt the request for personal info. has risen dramatically.  Most ladies, particularly the new ladies, are simply following what they read or hear.  For me, it has shut me out of many dates I was interested in (all post COVID).  Nonetheless, it will all adjust.  There are simply far too many ladies out there for those with the highest screening requirements to set the standard.  A 10+ beauty can make it work but as reality sets in, most other ladies realize or will realize that they can't.  When asked, I just move on.

Sorry Paige,  while I will allow that the chances of a provider outing a client are slim, they are hardly "none"  

A couple of thoughts:   First, I had a P411 provider tell me that she would not even consider P411
ok's at all. It was real info or not happening.  Good grief, the whole purpose of P411 is to avoid the real world.  Second,  if I need to give the lady my real  world info, then she should give me her real world info.  My real world info is mine, not hers.  Finally, if this is about using real world info, then neither side needs fake handles, fake stage names, etc. Just come on these forums and use your real name.
Use your real name in ads, etc.

Again, this is why I used a scalpel with my words and stated it is "slim to none". There is an inherent risk to this work for providers and for clients. If you want to play in the sandbox then both parties are acknowledging and agreeing to the potential outcomes of what could happen to either side.  

At this point, I have to believe that you're purposefully being facetious for the hell of it.  

if its YOUR life that we were talking about?

On certain days it's not a fuck board. It become a "Get Fucked,and not the good way, Board" and not the good way. You didn't post the wrong things, just the wrong day. LOL