both on the hobbyist and provider sides who 'discount' or take it for 'free' when given the opportunity.......

Trying to tell a provider how to run her business is a moot issue. Do I think all people should get respect "just because" they are in the hobby? No, but I generally give credit, where credit is due. We just have to face the facts that not everyone is going to be like we think they should be, and when you realize that....no more stress lol.  

her business...this is just a 'general' comment on my thoughts on the topic that disturbs me about this business and I think in the end it undermines all women and why it is so frowned upon, that is all. To each his own, hell, noone agrees with the way I run my biz, do I give a FLYING FUCK...Hell no LOL...as you don't either.  

posted on this friggin board...however...there are some things that we all adhere strictly to...this is one of them for me. Of course, I know that most do it...I just don't agree with it is all. I'm sure most would disagree with me as usual anyhow...that's what makes it a topic of conversation...varying opinions.

whether or not my regard for them will grow higher or lower is dependent upon the way they treat me.

Perhaps I should've clarified...yes of course there are 'loopholes' in this comment...but in the overall grand scheme of things, I disagree with the whole 'discount' feature at all. Of course, there are clients we love spending time with, but then is it fair to give him that 'discount' and not the next guy that comes along...how is it all justified? Idk, seems kind of unfair in my book, wouldn't you feel cheated if you weren't one of the 'chosen' ones to get that, but the guy before you or the guy after you is?

Respect that they, like you, are a live?
Respect they were created with strengths?
Respect that no one chose what attributes their life would be imbued with?
Respect that death is the same endlessness for everyone?

You're saying everyone should "play by the rules instead of being cheap.."
Isn't every lady free to choose how she wants to operate her business?
Must she conform to a set of "universal hobby rules"?
What she charges and to whom she charges what is a personal decision.
Is that not what you are all about?

because they are career escorts, who can't do anything else. Those women will always do whatever it is to knock someone else down over a dime. I have one in my area who is that way. She basically threatens guys not to see "London" or any of her friends, or she will ruin them professionally. She spends all day yelling about how great she is, how she is the best, yet the bitch is nearly 45 and a high school drop out who has to blackmail guys into "taking care of her." It went as far as her hiring a P.I. to find out where I lived a few years ago, and taking photos of me and my CHILD!  

whether we're talking about hobbying or outside the hobby.

I believe you give the respect to the person as a human but there is a limit. If provider or client is being a complete ass then no need to quibble about what you should take or give away. As a provider you have the right to stop and say that's enough and the client has right to just walk away. Personally I would never not pay a lady if I started in with the appt wether or not it was offered for free. It's still a business transaction and if he or she wants to make it something other then that then a proper date should be set aside with both parties being aware. Really though I gotta say to the client that's still the provider and to the provider that's still the client. How often does something else ever truly come out of that start to a relationship?

as they please.  For you to say that any providers who are giving discounts deserve no respect is out of line and the same with hobbyists.

For you to say that women should not be giving themselves away for free and for their own enjoyment is preposterous, idiotic and shows that you are introspectively bankrupt.

You may remain an authority in your own mind.

Under your set of rules must she continue to charge him right up until the time they reach the altar? or according to union rules must she continue to charge him even after the nuptials? lmao

and just who is going to be the one  to write these "rules" that you speak of?

Just when I think you are starting to make some progress, you take three giant steps backwards.

I don't think her "don't give it away free" comment was meant to concern civie world. I think she meant providers who fked for free to get higher scores. I also don't fk anyone for free, but more power to those who want to live their lives that way. I just can't justify fkin for a living and then doing it for nothing at the same time lol. I would be totally exhausted!

Amen.

I agree with this, and guys who ARE getting discounts for being regulars should NOT put that in a review! A newbie will never have the same rewards as a guy who gave me 5k last year...that's just asinine to even think the two would have EARNED the same bonus miles if you will.

IMO, equating money with respect is not valid.  Rates are economics 101...  Supply and Demand.

It happens in the civie world too...

She said....certainly don't give it away for free for your own enjoyment, seriously?

She had made it clear on several occasions that her pussy will never be given to men free of charge. So what do you think she meant by "your own enjoyment?" She's out of line, and you can't give her a way out of her own words.

P I, photos of your child......wow, scary.
Some would say, it's the devils' playground?
The whole escort things, that is.
To bad, because I believe the escort biz has it's place for older, single, lonely gentleman like me.
imho.

A friend at work once told me:

You will note I DO NOT OFFER anything above 2 hours of bcd time....ever! If a guy wants 3 solid hours of fking, he has to go to someone else, because this hooker is not doing it lol. Now, I am VERY reasonable with respect to true gentlemen who want to have a nice dinner, which is why my dinner rates are so very cheap. My dinner rates are half and half, always have been, and always will be.  

ITO = in the open
UTDT = under the dinner table
LOL = laugh out loud  

If you have two providers and one is fkin guys for free just for enjoyment thus getting all 10s, and another who is doing her damn job actually EARNING those scores, would you not consider that "unfair" to providers? This is a BUSINESS!  

Nice Evening."
That was spoken, some 3 decades ago ,by the Father of a friend,  to my buddy and I.
After we both declined the $100 each (MALE EGO!!!!), Mom stepped up and said.......

Just your Alias speaks volumes about who is in "their own mind"

Sorry bud, she's right...I'm only talking in 'this' world, not the real one. No matter how much I disgust you, I have a right to my own opinions etc etc...and yes, there are women who do this job and offer their services 'free for their own enjoyment' to their clients for whatever reason...I agree with London...I'd be exhausted and no way in hell would I ever ever do that. I feel sorry for the women who do, again my own opinion. They are taking this business out of context then.  

backwards in your eyes and everyone elses...again just because I am NOT AGREEING with the masses as usual...so funny how that is. You become controversial for one second and it's a 'negative' thing in everyone's eyes....that is funny to me and why this board is such a friggin hoot...

can handle him...trust me LOL. He makes me giggle Liam.  

Well of course, I just used 'rules' to put things into perspective...when I entered this industry, it was apparent there were set fules as to how things were done and followed. Whether I agree with them or not is another story and not the point...there are a set of 'rules' to just about anything in life that 'society' or whomever of authority sets...so yes, take the word 'rules' for what it is.  

So let me repeat,

In your world of Unionized hookers, what happens if a provider pursues a "real" relationship with a client?

Are you really so mercenary that not only do you not "fuck for free" but you want every other hooker to live by your rules as well?

All of her prior posts were deleted on TER and it just so happens that I have her pegged for who she really is. That's why I understand her despite some of the seeming ambiguity in her posts.

Then why aren't they just on Adult Friend Finder?? Or Craigslist's casual hook-ups?? That's like bringing cake and a cup of coffee from home to Starbuck's and wanting to sit in one of their cozy chairs all day.

I'll stick with reading her actual words unless she wants to modify her statement.
"Ladies...don't discount for ratings or rankings and certainly don't give it away for free for your own enjoyment, seriously?"

Her words, not much of a fucking leap IMO

I certainly don't have a problem with her never fucking another man  for free in HER life, but to suggest that women that do are somehow betraying their sisterhood of hookers is beyond ridiculous, and just another example of yet another hooker that thinks she can dictate to others after "fucking for bucks" for all of about a week and a half. What a fucking ego this broad has.

No I didn't ignore your question Gambler...sometimes obviously I go off on tangents...I'm not perfect ya know...geezk. Ease up.  

Now she will spend the rest of the day back peddling and saying she that didn't mean it that way.

Yes Sarah...it happens here more than you'd believe. For enjoyment, rankings, ratings, reviews you name it...

It doesn't impress anyone, but maybe she will buy you some new knee pads for yours are getting worn out.

I still gotta pay for it?

what exactly does that concern you Panthera.  

can say if I have an 'ego' or not...if that's how you perceive it vs someone with an opinion on here, again...enjoy!!!! It's all perception my dear sir in the techy world. I can guarantee you get me in a room face to face and things would be most certainly a bit different.

Back peddle what? Sorry to burst your bubble once again. Your 'reverse' shit isn't going anywhere with me...who's psychobabbling now?

and I find it very presumptuous for you to once again, dictate to others how to not only run their own business, but actually say with a straight face that others should not fuck for free, in or  out of the business.

When hookers do unionize, I am sure you will be running for president of your local chapter. Of course that will be sometime long after pigs have learned to fly, and Maxwell the GEICO doesn't count. lol

so let's clarify that one....yes there are providers who fuck for free for their own enjoyment with clients and I VEHEMENTLY disagree with that....if you don't like that fact that I disagree with that, go away...I don't care what you think. I have a right to my own opinion just as much as you. Sorry, it's not right.  

all those he disagrees with.  

Come on be serious. Every business has a plan to keep them coming in for the first time and to keep them coming back.  It might be 2 for 1 ( a second cup).  by 1 at full price next 1 at half.  It might be you just put out an extra special effort.  But 1 way or another you are doing something extra to get them to come back.  It might not be a blatant as a freebee but without it being a bargain or something special why would a customer return to you as opposed to seeing who is next on the list??

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I admit that I am sometimes( or most) pompous, arrogant, and yes I can be an ass. In addition, I don't make up stupid stories and tell people here how they should be living their lives and doing their private business. When I do give advice it is out of experience, not guess work or a bundle of posts to get attention.  

You on the other hand come across as some sort of self proclaimed authority in the business and you are a newbie. You are clearly a man hater and anyone with half a brain who has read your deleted posts has noted it.

There is a difference between psychoanalyzing and psychobabble, the latter of which you are certainly authoritative of.  

He/she who has the gold, makes the rules; and we all know where the gold resides, don't we?

Respect comes from being comfortable with yourself, as in the Biblical pronouncement:  Love thy neighbor as thyself.  Note it does NOT say love thy neighbor instead of thyself.  You have to like yourself before you can treat others properly.  If you are the type of person who treats others poorly, then learn to love yourself first.  Stay at home and whack off, in other words.

While I'm on a roll with the Bible, here's another one to consider:

Yea, as I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil,  (for I'm the meanest son-of-a-bitch in the valley.)

As I had suspected, pretty much knew you would go there as always. It is no surprise. Let's use your words shall we, instead of mine....since you seem to be quite the 'authority' speaking here as quite the experienced hobbyist or I will presume, as i don't check everyone out in detail like most of you do. Since I am technically a 'newbie' in everyone's eyes. Let me put a stop to that...you are no longer a newbie the minute you get your first client...sorry to burst that bubble.  

Don't say I never gave you nothing, and it's free, just for you.

gain an ounce of respect for you. Be a man a unhide yourself. Too bad TER doesn't wake up and get rid of the alias altogether..only then will this board be for real.

Let's start with the alias accusation, you do realize I hope that this is my "real" fake name, and there are hundreds if not thousands of members here who know exactly who I am.  A hell of a lot more than who know you.

Secondly, I have had many "real" relationships with providers where they would "fuck me for free" the last time I checked that's what boyfriends and girlfriends do, regardless of what their occupations happen to be. If you don't like it than maybe you should go away because I am not asking for your permission or approval to fuck who I want. Nor are the several married couples I know who met as client/provider, I am sure they are so disappointed to learn that their marriages are nothing more than a sham because some forty plus year old hooker who's only been fucking for a living for a few months doesn't think it possible for two people to make a life for themselves just because it started off as a business relationship.

At least admit I get you a lil hot and bothered underneath that anonymous handsome collar you are wearing LOL.

Next time just remind me to bring the smores.

I'm keeping a scorecard here...that's great...kudos to you on your popularity. If that's what floats your boat, by all means.  

be like liam and agree with everything you say without questing no matter how far fetched it may be.

"don't say I never gave you nothing" You like to quote others, you are welcome to look it up.

No, you don't get me hot and bothered. How little you really understand me despite all we have been through in the last few weeks, lol.

I am sure you are now on Liam Christmas card list. rofl

Do White Knights like him really think that they are in fact "gentlemen" as opposed to spineless little pussies terrified of disagreeing with a woman, even a "know it all" middle aged hooker like Taylor?

liam just needs some testosterone shots and a gym to build his self confidence.  Maybe he will come around or maybe he will turn into another lungboy.

that is not what 'gains' respect with a woman like me...you should know this seeing you have me pegged and all. I am disappointed once again.  

my ego a lil and just have said yes to one thing altho of course I wouldve known it was a lie silly...geezk. You don't know how to play nice at all do you. Again, tisk tisk disappointing Panthera. I thought we agreed on when to say 'when'.

Next time you start another controversial get your knickers in a twist thread LOL. I'll be sure to chime in if I see fit.  

*crickets chirping*

You make response criticizing posters that use an alias, then when called on it you weakly attempt to turn it around. I know that you are used to dealing with the likes of Liam who would never dream of speaking plainly to a women, even when she's plainly full of shit, but not all men are that spineless.

and if you are for "true love" between client and a provider, how do you suppose they find out if what they have is "real" if not by taking the money out of the equation at some point? yet another one of my points you chose to ignore.

Now as for playing nice, if that's codespeak for allowing you to make ridiculous statements without calling you out for it? Sorry, but that aint gonna happen.

Now please post more intelligently, I know it's asking a lot, but try really hard...I know you can do it. I know this because you have set the bar so low, you could literally trip over it.

wouldn't it be likely that SHE is the one who is more deserving of the tens than a mercenary hooker who only fucks for money?

The hooker that THINKS she is putting on a good act, but doesn't really like sex might think she is earning high scores, but the truth of the matter is maybe guys are a bit more perceptive than you give them credit for?

Personally I don't really give a fuck whether a provider fucks some other guy for free, or if she is secretly a man hater like your friend Taylor. That is as long as her "real" attitude about it doesn't bleed through into her sessions, or at least her sessions with me. I have no delusions that any of the hookers that I pay to have sex with me have any real feelings, but like most guys I prefer passionate sex to mechanical sex, and it's a lot easier to fake passion when you actually like what you do, and what better proof is there that a woman likes to fuck than the fact that she does it for free, "FOR HER OWN ENJOYMENT"??? That's such a no brainer, it's not even worth asking.

The freebies for reviews question is just as easy, of course that is not right, and as you pointed out it's also against the rules and rightfully so.

It connotes more insecurity than anything else if done in this BUSINESS! Outside of this, no problem. That's the issue. There are those who have you THINKING they really like you, will fk you for free or half off, KNOWING you're going to reward that "naivety" with higher scores. Just because she catered to your EGO through her own manipulation, does not in any way mean she actually enjoyed it. Cmon.  

"certainly don't give it away for free for your own enjoyment, seriously?"

Her words not mine.

and since you chose to direct this little tirade at me. I don't review, and everybody knows it. So anyone who is fucking ME for free better damn well be enjoying it, because that's all they are getting from me for it.

LR, please tell me you are drinking today, and yes I mean alcohol, because from the tone of this post, it sounds more like you have been drinking some of Taylor's stupid juice, you normally make more sense than this.

and since when is convincing a man that she really enjoyed it NOT part of the fantasy that should be rewarded by higher scores. Your anger is getting the better of you today, and you post makes almost as little sense as those of Taylor's. I would suggest you take a deep breath, another shot of vodka and start all over again. lol

A lil bit more.......

have completely misinterpreted this whole damn thread as usual....taking things personally I see...well too bad for you. Ease up Gambler...perhaps you should ease up on the juice a lil bit. JC already.

This is all my post meant. If you fk a provider FOR FREE, then you did not HIRE HER AS A PROVIDER, and therefore CANNOT review that fk she GAVE YOU. That's it. If you bang a chick for free you did not HIRE her, it cancels out the entire "provider" part of the equation thus making it stupid to give away ass to begin with when you have a website stating you are a hooker!  

Now that is bat shit fucking crazy.

and I have had providers that have fucked me both on and off the clock. It not really that complicated,  Sometimes it leads to something, sometimes it doesn't, but for a newbie provider to be giving lectures to others about fucking for their enjoyment is just the height of arrogance, and certainly reinforces her image as a man hater.

I also know your ass is hyper, that's I felt you needed a sharp rap to the head before I started drinking myself,  Speaking of which, time to open a bottle of wine to wash down the blue crabs I am about to eat followed, by a different bottle to wash down the crawfish to follow, Now who could possibly be angry with a meal like that on the horizon? lol

I don't think I've ever agreed with any of the crap you've posted here. Total drivel.  

but if you think that we are going to let you spew crap all over the board unchallenged, Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen, so get used to it.

OTOH you seem to be the one that has to answer every post that disagrees with you on every thread you are on, maybe you need to stop taking things personally, or give up drinking, if you even drink that is.

and I see you still haven't answered the question I asked you from the very beginning, of course it's impossible to answer with out admitting that you are full of shit in the process. Don't worry, I am sure you will get better at this if you stick around, you are at the very bottom so there is nowhere to go but up, or out I suppose.

We could get her drunk and maybe she would loosen up a bit. Who knows. She may even be friendly.

Sounds like airline tickets to me.

Classic and exactly what I'm talking about. Oh and I don't drink.

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And no Im not friendly. Out of luck. Sorry.

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Maybe you should consider taking up drinking, it might provide some cover the next time you let your mouth overload your ass, which I imagine will be momentarily if your past performance is any indicator.

You really should reconsider your "controversial" presence here when someone using the handle "PoeWhiteTrash" can not only get under your skin, but actually make you look foolish.

Maybe you could find a "minor league" board to post on until you get enough game to post here? I don't really mean to be insulting (ok maybe I do. lol) but you are constantly getting your ass handed to you here, maybe you should start with an easier crowd?

I can handle the insults from gentlemen who clearly don't get it and see this for more than it actually is...that is what is entertaining to me. So I appreciate your contribution to my ever boring posts that rack up as many posts as it does...continue on dear sir. We shall talk again soon when I get back from my trip. Try not to miss me too too much. However, I will miss you dearly and your ever so kind words. LOL

Haha... more than you know Liam. It's pretty obvious most gentlemen dont understand that concept.

Between the crawfish and the blue crabs I stunk up the whole house. maybe I will have dinner out tonight? lol

That last quote. Adorable . As always.

Know something? I wanted to see her in the beginning.
Even after she got tough. It made me more interested.
But I saw Taming The Shrew.
I really feel like I would want to leave before I got there.
She is even rude to other providers!
I guess she is over my head? I don't get it.
She scares me so. I don't even like to post on her threads!
My guess is Mechanical would be an understatement.

Hookers like her come on here all the time. They are usually new to the business and have it "all figured out" and are quick to point out how much they know and how little we know, and in their haste to prove how smart they are, they end up alienating the entire board.

Some learn from their mistakes, some don't. It's been my experience that the younger ones tend to catch on faster and learn that they don't know everything, the old ones like Taylor tend not to ever learn and eventually they just fade away, not with a bang, but with barely a whimper.

completely take my posts and threads out of context. Noone ever said 'I' was better than anyone...I just have my own way of doing things and vocalize them. Just (again) because I don't do things like everyone else and kiss everyone's ass has nothing to do with claiming I am better...give me a break. We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.  

You don't have to be so guarded all the time.
I liked you.

I defy you to find the word "better" anywhere in my post.

If you would like a civil conversation, I would suggest you follow your own advice and quit not only taking posts out of context but deliberately misquoting me for effect.

and for the record, you are garnering criticism,not for being different. but for being a know it all who wants others to do it your way even though you've only been doing this for an exceedingly short time.