Thats not totally true... in my personal life, I use a condom with civvie dating relationships until I KNOW they are safe. I also have to get back on the pill before I do that with a BF.

Since I never have a real GF, I have no idea what real GFE is like. I am interested in getting a simulated taste of it. What's the ideal arrangement that I can make with a provider for a true GFE if budget is not a consideration?

Means you treat the man from the start to end like you are escaping away and having a mid day fun, like you would do with your boyfriend. You cant keep your hands off each other, there is real chemistry, natural laughter, and flirting. The kissing and love making is passionate.. you kiss like you NEED his lips on yours...

You make the guy basically feel like he just saw his gf... when he leaves and all he has is a smile on his face, and he cant stop thinking about you and when your bodies can be one again.... you have given the PERFECT GFE

I agree with Caitlyn. I am a master of the GFE. I walk in the door and great him with a big hug and kiss as if I were just returning home for the day and have been missing him so much. There's cuddling on the couch or bed while perhaps having a drink and lots of caressing and kissing, perhaps even a massage. It is not rushed. You should not feel serviced. I always like some conversation/flirting and I don't act. You should feel like you're interacting with a real person. There's always lots of touching, foreplay and kissing and usually bonding on some level. A GFE generally feels like an awesome date. Hope this helps

Because in real life, a girlfriend doesn't use a condom with you.

So...it's a silly term.

And that means we get tested and we don't use condoms.

GFE, regardless, is a stupid term.  So a girl who doesn't DFK is a GFE?  How about whether she swallows?  Because some girlfriends do, and others don't.  Some girlfriends also love oral, while some hate it.

Shitty term...very non-descriptive.  Better to just spell out what you want, though that is truly uncivilized, too.

subjective.... hey your GFE could be the provider telling you to go to the store to get her pads and she has a headache, not tonight

This topic has been dealt with in various posts from time to time. One of the best descriptions of what GFE can potentailly be is called "bounded authenticity" . You'll have to google that term to find the name of the book that coined the term but it basically posits that  the feelings between provider and client can be real and genuine, although limited by the context of p4p. GFE has more to do with the chemistry than the menu and should not be an act. It should be a sincere and genuine bonding that unites emotions as well as bodies. It is possible to have that just for the duration of the date without long term implications.

Its menu items. The real men don't believe in emotional crap...hand over the money, pull out list, grab pencil and tick off till list completed.  Hence real men don't go for the GFE they go for the FDE (fuck doll experience).

is or isnt? come on now, so you arent a real man unless you treat a woman like a hole?


pfft NO WAY

If you really believe that them why not just close your eyes and jerk off and save a lot of money? I think a lot of guys want to simulate a real life sexual experience without the hassles and for most a real life sexual experience usually includes SOME emotional connection.

If all GFE is a checklist, with no connection or feeling behind it, then it NOT GFE.... That is acting

GFE is very much about chemistry, build up, connection before the meeting, during and follow up

Just read some of BIB and lesbianrepellents posts. I am taking from those "real men". They even stated that real men don't kiss up or do what a lot of guys on here do...if you don't believe me just read the post on dinner dates. Personally I like the softer side and men who are more evolved.

It made it seem that it was the way YOU thought also...

apologies!

But there are a couple of real men who have suddenly popped up under aliases who feel differently..Back-in-black and lesbianrepellent...read some of their stuff. They feel all that connection stuff is bullshit and unnecessary. I happen to agree with you.

She must snore, be forgetful, take money out of my wallet without telling me, constantly talk on the phone to her mother, sister and friends, rub her rough, needs shaving legs against mine, complain about how her miss me jeans are a little snug these days (even though they are 24's), have her fake eyelashes fall out all over the bed and constantly ask me to do little shit for her because she knows she can get away with that. And through all of that, we somehow manage to have knock down, drag out primordal sex. That's GFE to me. I also offer ther the BFE experience too! (BFE experience: "suck my dick, shut the fuck up, fix me a sandwich, light my cigar, refill my scotch, and let me watch the fucking game by myself in my cave")("and no, I don't give a shit about what a shit your brother in law is")

Well Mr. real man, being of size yourself, you can answer that question...you need a penis extension to even get near a ladies parts...or at least three people to lift that HUGE apron of fat that completely envelops your weenie.

And we never lie on here, you said so yourself. Now stop being such a grumpy gus and have some fun with this...seriously it's a fuck board, why so damn serious?

It's a fantasy fuck board...go on say it three times.

Yes Saturday is empty, I don't work weekends. I save that time for my lady friends if you know what I mean.

I have no idea what you mean by living in the woods. Maybe if you calmed down, took a deeeeep breath and let it all go. It is so silly to see you getting all upset about me having a little fun.

Oh I get it, this is a lifestyle for you and I am hurting your feelings. I am so sorry. I had no idea that this was your world and I am here messing it up for you.

Oh and in your anger you left out a word...let me fix it for you darlin......a three dollar bill is more real than you...there you go!

She actually did, but it's okay. I am starting to feel bad for you. And just another little aside..where I post you post too....we can't seem to help ourselves now can we? Is your common use of yup some sort of slang? Is English your second language? If so I get it, if not, well never mind. You're already bright red in the face, from rage.

Listen, you have an awesome evening, go take those good looks and fun personality and try your hardest to find a woman to hang with you for free. You never know, tonight might be your lucky night. Have fun and don't drink and drive....hugs and kisses.

I really have come to understand that different people, both men and women, are doing this for different reasons. While there are undoubtedly some men who only care about an erotic lead up to an explosive climax, there are others of us, myself included, who feel that there is something much deeper that we as people, as opposed to animals, can bring to intimacy.
Similarly for the women. I have to believe that although  for many if not most there is a strong financial motivation, there are those who genuinely love what they are doing and feel a genuine connection and maybe even attraction to their clients, at least when they are together.

i'm on the side that does not believe that at all.Most providers I've seen are detached.sex is nowhere close to as good as with a civvie where you have an honest connection.

I completely agree! Yes the money is nice, and the freedom of the schedule, honestly if I did not ENJOY this and the guys and sex, I could not be in this business for as long as I have been!

do you think bbbj is part of it?

I've had "GFE" sessions that have covered every possible combo of activities, but I never felt like I was with a girlfriend, and then I've had appointments that were total vanilla, and I couldn't get her out of my mind for a week.  

The only difference between them was the attitude (and the level of acting).  She had me convinced that there is no other place she'd rather be - That is skill and that to me is true GFE.  The rest is just really great sex.

really great sex also happens from chemistry and passion, and enthusiasm... I do not think it is at all about what positions she can contort into or how dirty she can talk!

Not all guys are all about the fucking.  A lot of guys actually like getting to know the girl as a person.  Doesn't mean that they are looking to pay to NOT fuck, but to make it as simple as a transaction (while that might work according to YOUR world and platform) doesn't work for everyone else here.

I think you know that, but it is amazing to me how certain people here just make everything very black and white.  Things are not always a closed-end question (i.e. do you have a penis or do you not have a penis).  We are dealing with two human beings doing an intimate act.  That doesn't always (and frequently) doesn't simply mean, "I give you money, we have sex, let's never talk again until we do this again."

But that's what you reduce it down to, and it's hardly that way in real life for many.

Not speaking for you, but I do think that your definition of "real men" is insanely narrow and judgmental.  Not to mention totally off-base.

I didn't realize you were being sarcastic.

I thought you said that you reduced it down to a transaction.

My apologies, since that's not at all what YOU are thinking.

(Inserts face in palm of hand.)

Yes, it's about the money, but it ain't ALL about the money.

I was discussing about this very subject with another provider, and she said..."Look, there are plenty of great guys I've met doing this who I would have NEVER met in civvie life.  They aren't my type and no way would I ever give them a chance to sleep with me, much less my number, if we met at a bar.  But because there was a paid situation, I got to know them, and I like them very much as people and clients.  Yes, it's about the money, but that's not all of what it's about."

The phrase "GFE to ME" is all you need to hear to understand that the term GFE means absolutely nothing.

GFE has no meaning. Can you wrap your head around that? My proof is in this thread.
Scroll down and read every post. Everybody has something to add or subtract from the
so-called definition, and no definition is arrived at. What difference does it makes if you agree with one particular definition? Does that mean that's what you are going to get the next time you book a "GFE" provider? I don't think so.

Define "outcall": she comes to your place. end of definition.
Define "GFE": an infinite number of answers, with no 2 in complete agreement.

What good is it? It is term that ANY provider can post in her ad, and define it later...

Wouldn't it be nice if the term simply stood for a list of activities that are available? So a hobbyist could know what was on the menu without asking those taboo questions? St. Bart tried to define it years ago, including certain acronyms like DFK, DATY, BBBJ, etc (some wanted to include BBFS but of course that got shot down).
But no one could accept St. Bart's definitions because they wanted to say, "oh, that's not what a girlfriend experience means to ME..."

So we have a meaningless term that is the cause of confusion and sometimes used as a tool to confuse by some unscrupulous providers, instead of a truly useful tool. And every 17 days or so we discuss it here with the same results.

Finally, somebody willing to step up and take responsibility.

So if I book a session with a GFE provider and she does not provide me with any of the following: BBBJ, DFK, DATY, and MSOG, can I give you a call? Will you reimburse me, or fly one of your girls over to the east coast to provide me with a TRUE GFE session at no charge?

See me post above before you take aim and fire at me

It doesn't matter what you call it. It only matters if you can define it.

If we call it the "kobayashi maru" and define it as:
"BBBJ, DATY, DFK and CFS with affection, a friendly attitude, neck massage, and a mint"
then it means something - if we had some way to police it, which we don't.

If we call it GFE, and every person you talk to has a different opinion of what should constitute a GFE session, then it has no meaning. A bad provider could advertise a GFE session, take $$$ from a client, and then say "GFE in my town means a kiss on the cheek and a kick in the ass".