So what's up with the pulling off of the cover and the splooging alll over providers?

It just seems silly to me.   They invented the money shot in Pornos to prove that it was real sex you were watching- and now I guess guys think actual sex has to mirror a movie.

Real sex DID come before pornos guys!   You can have your orgasms deep inside the ladies w/o fear of retribution.  

I guess some get turned on by the visual- but so many?   Do the ladies really need to scrape the mayo off a couple of time a sesh?

to stop mid-thrust and rip off the cover, turn to manual control, point and shoot.  Seems the best part of the experience would be lost while attempting the transition . . . .

--SoCal

when I'm at the point of no return is to stop and dink around with getting the cover off.  Thing is a bit tight at that point anyway, and if I wanted to come in my hand ... wouldn't have paid the $$$.

paying more to have sex with a porn star, or have a lady dressed in a costume (nurse, cheerleader, etc).

I dunno,it's fun sometimes!  Lots of guys seem to like it.

And didn't you notice the lines between porn and real life blurring more and more?  (seen any music videos lately?)

-Anya

A} I liked the line where it was.  

B) I think most porn is so stupid.  And it does have the effect of making guys think that real sex should be like that.   Its as if people tried to live life like a cartoon or a stallone movie.   Just I would not like to hang out with a Jackie Chan Character or Woodie Woodpecker living the life they live onscreen-   I don't want to come all over my partners or relentlessly penetrate their ass at every turn or take an hour to come.  All this is hyperbole to make for visual ENTERTAINMENT- not some kind of sexual how to.

C)All but a tiny few women have never bought in to this crap, so any meanuingful interaction with THEM means tossing out  the "porn as guide to life" theory.

D)  Isn't this why the PSE was invented?  (BTW- I am so entertained to know that almost any former PS is available on the circuit- hmmmmmmm.......

If the client enjoys the activity and the provider allows it, what's the problem?

I agree.  To each and his/her own.  If it's between two consenting adults (and the provider agrees and even gets turned on by it), by all means - it's a free country.  People love to fulfill fantasies during sex, whether it be role-playing,  wierd multiple positions, or even shooting a load in a girl's mouth. I'd hate to have boring missionary sex with a significant other, much less a provider.

Even so, some providers don't even want you to shoot your load while inside them, even with a condom.

Plus, why be so judgemental about other people's fantasy when non-hobbyist can be judgemental towards you for even going to a provider.  Face it, going to a provider is a means of fulfilling a fantasy, even if you're having your normal, government-sanctioned, shoot in the condom while inside her sex.  We're all guilty of giving in to our vices.

For some I think it boils down to "monkey see, monkey do."  I never understand it, myself. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

duder-  this is the cool part-  i wanted a dialogue-  I stated my posit- that this is lame and I want to hear from the guys who like it why-

I did one of these about anal sex that helped me understand that little party, so I thought i would take a practicew i chuckle at and turn it into a dialogue-

blast away- more power to the sploogers, more power to the guys who rim providers, more power to the guys who go for facials, more power to the TS visitors.  Go you DFK freaks, you demanders of the back door, keep up the good work-   but don't think that all women actually like that or even that many of the ladies who provide do.   And DON'T think that you can't catch shit for it, just like you like to give the vanilla folk like me shit.

Come on now.  You can't say "I just want to start a dialog" and then finish with crap like:

"Go you DFK freaks...but don't think that all women actually like that or even that many of the ladies who provide do.   And DON'T think that you can't catch shit for it, just like you like to give the vanilla folk like me shit."

I have never seen anyone criticize a client for preferring straight FS over any of the things you have been ranting about.

You, on the other hand, seem to want to come down and wish bad things on everyone who doesn't see it your way.  You've even gone so far as to attempt to represent the provider point of view by claiming that many of the ladies who provide these services "don't like it."  The providers can speak for themselves.

It is perfectly within your rights to be shrill, obtuse, self righteous and judgemental, but don't go around trying to claim you are 'just making conversation' because it doesn't work.

I think your main point is that you have a list of activities you don't approve of, and you want to discourage those activities from happening whether you are present for them or not.

Nice to hear from you, Mr. Ashcroft.

If you did, you would respect others´ opinions.  If you think semen is filthy stuff, that´s your opinion.  And I would have to add, it´s somewhat puritanical.  And tell Ashcroft "hi" from all us perverts who do weird things like have sex in non-approved ways.  

PS "Missionary" position gets its name from the misguided impression that "God fearing" (wholesome, plain vanilla) people never would think of doing it any way but that.

Well said, Twisted and Praia.

I think you have the misguided assumption that people who are into sex acts that you aren't, are forcing it onto providers.  Most hobbyists do their homework and try to gauge a provider's limits.  Also a provider usually lays some ground rules for the session.  That's what TER is for, finding the right provider to fulfill your fantasy.

It's also somewhat hyprocrtical to judge other hobbyists vices while you're practicing the hobby itself.  Is seeing a provider behind your significant other's back any less taboo?  It's sort of like a pot-smoker passing judgment on cocaine users.

Now that's more like it!    some gumption on the board-

I suppose i might have come off a bit high handed-  but I meant to get some sprited defense of the acts, cuz I think they they are mainly for visual effect.   I got some-  and more-   I never said these acts were wrong or morally repugnant.  Just that I think that they are bullshit gilding of the lily.  Hey-  i don't like woofing in Basketball or football, I think trash talking is the act of a weaker mind trying to build itself up-- but if that's one's bag so be it.   {NOTE- I am not equating others' reponses to me as trashtalking- I am equating the acts we were discussing as having the same relationship to sex that trashtalking has to sports)

I DO think a fair proportion of providers think this, as women are usually more pragmatic than men in many ways, but they put up with the behaviours as a part of their trade.  Remember these ladies are really more of a craft than a vocation.  More like vets than doctors in that they don't have to only be ready for the basic dudes but also usually for a variety of fetishes that range from the sublime to the ridiculous- there I said it ridiculous.

Do i know that there are folks out there who might look on my little massage/somekindofj sessions as weak shit , pathetic and too vanilla?  Sure-  more power to them-   but let me laugh at them too with their PSE sessions and their $1100 -single hour sessions.

No -one on this board is talking rounding people up and shipping them off to Birkenau.  If we can't tell each other to get over our sexual habits what is the fun in life?

NOTE: Notice that i left rimming off the menu of acts I give shit about.   You guys were right- it does have its place in the arsenal of democracy...

You know-  I guess I'd still like to see the proportions of guys for whom thgis is their total sex activity vs. those like me who only get a little extra here and there.  I can see there being different agendas for each group, among the other minigroups in the hobby.   Like the TS guys-  how many see themselves as totally straight with a hobby vs. bi with a tendency vs. gay with an appetite for tit.   Perspective is hard to get on this community with its huge self delusional bent.   I'm looking forward to the inevitable studies...

My recollection of a recent History Channel program indicates that what we think of as the "cum" shot in porno flicks may have played an important religious role in ancient Egypt.

There would be a yearly pilgrimage by the Pharaoh to the Temple of Amon at Karnak, where alone in the inner sanctum he releases his "precious bodily fluids". The Egyptians believed that this ceremony insured the yearly inundation of the fields by the Nile.

Hmm! If we claim to be acolytes of the Egyptian God Amon, could we work this into a religious tax deduction and/or faith-based grant from the government?

Well, since you answered:

You wanted spirited defense of the acts - you didn't get it.  What you got was criticism of your admitted high-handedness and grossly incorrect suppositions.

You went on to try to claim the acts were not 'wrong',.... but "they are bullshit gilding of the lily" and "the act of a weaker mind trying to build itself up."  For christ's sake.

Again - you cannot have it both ways.    

It looks to me like you also want to continue to represent the provider's point of view.  Why?  Why not just let them speak for themselves?  

You also continue to insist that others look on your sessions as "weak shit" or "vanilla."  I don't think this is the case - it's your money, spend it how you want.   I personally have never hired a megabuck PSE (or visited a MP), but I have no desire to ridicule those who have.

You mention fun.  I can think of a lot more fun things to do than telling someone to "get over their sexual habits."   What exactly is fun about that?  People's sexual preferences are their own.  I say "Enjoy them with a friend!!", not get over them.

I'm not really sure where you are going with your rimming reference.  It's basically another act that happens between consenting adults - both in and out of the hobby.  It's not my gig, but I'm not going to try to hang labels or judge those who indulge.  

"Perspective is hard to get on this community with its huge self delusional bent."

LOL!  Physician, heal thyself.  
 
Is it your claim that if someone denies your notion that it is 'weak minded' to ejaculate on someone else...that they are self-delusional?

You seem to have a strong desire to pigeon-hole people, including yourself.  The likes and dislikes, preferences and non-hobbying vs hobbying sexual activity is going to vary widely across the spectrum of hobbyists.   Why do you have such a desire to stratify?

People just don't fit into neat little cubbyholes.  If a provider talks nasty and whispers into a client's ear she wants it all over her, it's not necessarily porn-induced or bullshit or trashtalking.  

It's just consenting adults having a good time.  Just like what you do.  

I think it's fine to bring up things like this, but at least be honest about your agenda.  

A-  I DO want a dialogue-  I just want to say what i think as well-  

But Basically I love to rile folks up and get them to rag on me-

Yes, yes!  Then I can be the Priestess of Precious Fluids!

-Anya

One does have to wonder what happened if the Pharaoh was insufficiently devout, and failed to complete (ahem!) the religious ceremony. Unless basic biology has changed in 3500 years, I'm not sure how really stimulating it would have been to think about the inundation of the fields by the Nile.

So, indeed, maybe the Pharaoh stacked the deck with Temple Priestesses, or possibly early papyrus "Playmates or Pets". Actually, I think there were some Egyptian papyrus that depicted numerous sex acts and were pretty erotic, although these don't get much mention.

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Except that i do contribute to the dialogue here- do review, and seem to be as well and dis-liked as anyone else.  I appear to be part of the Old Guard with the bearskin and aguillettes to prove it.   So I continue to make posits statements  and rejoinders- all poorly typed- mind you- into my dotage...

I guess if I was to confess that I like golden showers and feces in my sex play that would be frowned upon to.. Good to see so many open minded people...