is it ok to ask a provider for multiple pops? or is the pushing it?  i know some dont mind while others fish for a kind way to say no? should i just offer more $$? i just dont want to things to end on the wrong note. anyone have any suggestions?

Since you are paying for the ladies time only, it shouldn't matter how many pops as long as you stay within the established timeframe.  Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.  Sedagive.

I agree with Sedagive, you are paying for the time no per pop.  If you think the lady may not see it that way then it would probably be a good idea to clarify expected/offered in advance of the appointment and thereby avoid any embarrassment when you are together.

Pace yourself.  If you are booking a one hour appt and it's the first time seeing the lady, I would not expect as much as if you are booking a dinner date with plenty of foreplay and an established comfort zone, i.e. an understanding, and lots of things to get sexually excited about.  

My point, pushing too much in too short of a time might render one too pooped to pop twice within the given time. Especially when delaying the first pop, if under the impression only one is allowed.  But also realize that two just may not happen that day, even when understood it is just fine.

Example ... he held back thinking that in a one hour appt he was allowed one pop.  Additionally, since this was his FIRST time seeing her, they were both nervous.  So he just wanted to save his one pop, Old Faithful's performance, for the right moment, since he thought he got only one shot, only to have it elude him (and her) after all that holding back.  Next thing we know she is trying to oblige him by orally abusing him, so to speak. 45 minutes later (say 30 min after the appt has ended),  both people are chagrined.  Now she's wondering if he is going to stiff her, or expect $$ back, or perhaps he's feeling he let her down, or a myriad of negative feelings occur.

Or, he held back, did it, then 10 minutes til closing of the session, when he finally got comfy with her for the first time,  he got a rise again, so perhaps felt upset that she could not accept his second offer. (After all, we might be talking at least another 1/2 hour including cuddling showering and dressing). She would love to give him that second pop, but maybe she has to go somewhere?  Or maybe he has forgotten that he is going to get a parking ticket...Too much stress.  I prefer longer sessions.  

Whatever the case, remember we are humans with an ebb and flow of energy that extends into our sexual libido affected by various circumstances and stresses.  I don't know that this kind of interaction can really stick to a tried and true formula.  That's what Androids are for.  Like that feller On AI.  The MECHA male escort.  Now THAT is predictable. But not fun.  

XoXo



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because some providers do not mind, while others do.

For all the stupid questions I have heard over the years, this one is not.

Shaye

I always ask about multiple pops before seeing somebody new specially in LA. This is an "LA thing" though. I have never had to ask this question anywhere, whether I was in Europe, East Coast or Northern California, but in LA it seems to be such a big deal. To me is the time I pay for not the number of pops, but in LA I learned the hard way, so I always ask in advance.

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There are a lot of lovely women in this city, but there is also an attittude that is somewhat unique to LA, and one that I frankly don't find too attractive.  

For all the talk about GFE here, I find there is generally a far more business-like approach than in many other places I've been (both in the US and abroad).  In other cities, you're often treated more like lady's date for the afternoon or evening and your time together might  go as long as you both seem to be enjoying each other's company (within reason, of course).  I've taken many ladys to lunch or dinner prior to us getting started, and have never been charged $3-400 for the privledge of buying her a meal.

But in LA, there's always a timetable with ridiculous prices for extra time and it just ruins the whole mood for me.   I think in most aspects of LA culture, it's all about the money, and it definitely spills over to the hobby as well.  A lot of good looking women came to this city to make a lot of money, and there's a lot of money to be made also, so the mindset is almost pervasive.

Felicia uses the android analogy, but I also feel like I'm being expected to perform like an android-- arrive, a few minutes of chit chat, get instantly aroused, finish your business before the buzzer, leave.  This mindset has taken the enjoyment out of it for me, and it's one of the reasons I see very few LA providers, but still look forward to seeing someone when I travel.  Maybe it's the impersonal nature of the big city, or maybe it's that we all are in such a hurry- usually because we've filled our life with mostly unessential "important"' things to feed our inflated need for self-worth in a city that worships the superficial.  But whatever the cause, it's greatly contributed to my malaise relating to the hobby.  

Sure the lady's time is valuable, but so is mine and I don't like to take a half day off work, then spend three times as long on the freeway as I do in her apartment.  Especially when the whole point of the activity is to unwind, relax and enjoy.  I'm sure I'll be criticized by some of the "GFE's," many of whom already get the same fees a brain surgeon charges thanks to the LA inflation factor.  But all I can say is that it's not that way in many other parts of the country where the so-called GFE is just a natural part of the time you spend together, and not some perfunctory advertising tag line that gets automatically included on your web-site.    

I think this is an interesting question.  In my opinion, multiple pops are just dandy!  And I sure don't mind going over a little bit.  This is especially true if it's our first visit.... although 2hours is sooooo preferable for the first time.

You know, though... I have had a real problem lately with people wanting me to stay more than an hour (at least another hour's worth), but then not wanting to pay me for the extra time.  One person recently emailed me wanting to know if I was a clockwatcher... I told him no, but that it can be a tricky issue, and explained to him what's happened lately.

He emailed me back, and said that the provider he's thinking about wanted him to pay extra, but for most of that extra time he was showing her his vacation pics.  Plus, she really seemed to enjoy the sex; he seemed to be implying that mutual pleasure was payment enough.

Strange, eh.

But pops?  Pop away!!


Love,
Anne

And I hope I get to go for it with Carrie in June when I visit London.

Every time this discussion comes up, especially when someone mentions a cost associated with a "second" I always consider the length these ladies go to to establish the disclaimers on their websites, etc "Remember that you are only paying me for my time, this is not an offer of prostitution, sex, etc.....whatever happens, occurs between consenting adults..."

The moment, within your period of appointed time, that the "second pop costs more" statement is ever offered, all of those precautionary disclaimers are invalidated, and a defacto solicitation of prostitution occurs.  This is something that really needs to be considered, its nit-picky, but so is the law.

The a la carte approach is still practiced, but typically, you will discover that caveat in the reviews.  I personally shy away from those Ladies as I tend to prefer more opportunities if time and stimulation allows, and also, at least the ones I have associated with, were very determined to get more than one or two out of me..  I like that enthusiasm, it adds to the atmosphere, the fun, the enjoyment, and the final impression once the session ends.  Obviously, I leave feeling it is a better experience for the value.

Sometimes that first pop is a bit too eager to escape, and that second is so much more enjoyable.  Overall, going into a situation knowing you don't have to perform ideally on the first one, because more is offered to you, makes the scenario a lot more relaxing and allows the "performance anxiety" to subside.

Worst case scenario, which I have never experienced, is the "One pop, she leaves" this would personally frustrate the hell out of me, hence, I would avoid anyone with such a review.

Maybe I'm spoiled, maybe I'm picky, or maybe I've been lucky, but so far all the providors I've met were very eager to provide attention to any body part that "perked up" while time remained in the session.


Leco

I always respect the time when I'm with a lady.  On the few occasions when I've gone over, its been only by 5 minutes and I almost always tip generously anyway.  I get a little angry when I hear guys talk about being even as much as a half hour over.  Look guys, if you want 1.5 or 2 hours, just be up front about it and pay for it. Damn!

Now, with that being said, its only fair that WE get the time we paid for.  I've only had this "one pop" BS pulled on me once and I never went back.  If I want two pops (and I often do), then by god I'm gonna try to make that thing pop twice!  But if I can't within the time allocated, then I'm out of there.  No complaints.

People, respect the time!

That is one of the negatives about hobbying in LA. Recently, I had a similar experience w/a local provider. I wanted to attend a concert and she agreed. My error was assuming our date would be 'off the clock'. She inquired about how much was I willing to pay as she wouldn't be working. I decided a social event 'off the clock' isn't worth the hassle.

Good points Anne - I love brains along with beauty.
Rumor has it you designed and implemented your own website. Wow!

You are right - mutual pleasure is not payment enough, when it has not been agreed to mutually.  The guy doesn't get to change the arrangement, based on his OWN UNILATERAL idea.

To make an analogy, if I enjoy my job, should my employer notice this and decide I don't need to be paid as much???

'Maybe I'm spoiled, maybe I'm picky, or maybe I've been lucky, but so far all the providors I've met were very eager to provide attention to any body part that "perked up" while time remained in the session.'

Great post, Leco.  And therein lies the answer.  "While time remains in the session." That time has to include cuddle and decompression time, perhaps a shower, something to drink, dressing and unrushed goodbyes.  I hear complaints about running into other clients in the hallway, and although that does not apply to me, running over allotted time has often meant that I miss a class, or another type of appt, or that even YOU might get a parking ticket.

xoxo


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"Sometimes that first pop is a bit too eager to escape, and that second is so much more enjoyable"

I totally agree, I always want to get the first pop out of the way quick (and I am not shy to tell any any provider I see for the first time, about it in advance), because I enjoy the second pop much more. In fact my second pop is much more powerfull than the firts one.

If your time isn't up or even if it is up and I'm having a good time, then multiple pops are not only allowed, but sought after!!!  

Jaclyn