Which of the following is the safest for the guy?  What are the odds of catching a STD from 1) DFK 2) receiving oral 3) giving oral...

If I wanted to play safer, which should I cut out?

How do you define STD ?

H.I.V.

for whatever it is worth, the adult film industry has MANDATORY
hiv screening based on the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test,
the most accurate and costly of the hiv testing options. The PCR test will detect the presence of the hiv virus after thirty days from exposure have elapsed. The more common, and cheaper test is knowms as the elisa test. Most people get this test when they go into a clinic. The elisa test does not detect the hiv virus. It does detect the immune reaction to the virus, so is not as reliable as the PCR test. That's why adult film/video
actors don't get the elisa test. With the elisa test, you have a decent chance of picking up an immune response after 3 months of exposure, and a 95% chance of flagging a response 6 months after an exposure.

Hepatitis A, B, or C ?

Human Papilloma Virus ?

"Human papilloma virus (HPV), the genital wart virus, is the most common yet the least understood sexually transmitted infection in the U.S. (and at Colby). The latest estimates of HPV prevalence among sexually active women without symptoms range from 20 percent to nearly 50 percent, and rates are probably similar among men. One study shows that 73 percent of the male sexual partners of HPV-infected women also had HPV infections. The great majority of HPV infections produce no overt symptoms so that literally millions of people infected with this virus suffer no obvious ill effects from it.

So why the concern?
Some strains of the HPV virus have been identified as the main factor in cervical cancer. (Smoking has been found to be the second most prevalent risk factor in the development of abnormal Pap smears and cancer of the cervix.) Other risk factors for HPV infection include: multiple sexual partners, the presence of other STDs, and the suppression of the immune system. Visible venereal warts are among the less common manifestation of HPV but are certainly a reason people seek medical attention. Four to six weeks often is the average amount of time it takes to manifest signs of a genital HPV infection but it takes 9 months or longer for approximately two thirds of partners of people with warts to show symptoms"


Herpes class viruses ?

Syphilis ?

Gonnorhea ?

Chlamydia ?

"Chlamydia is the number one bacterial sexually transmitted disease (STD) in the United States today. Four million new cases of chlamydia occur each year. It's particularly common among teens and young adults. Pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), which can be caused by chlamydia, is a leading cause of infertility when left untreated.

Symptoms
Chlamydia is known as the "silent epidemic" because three quarters of the women and half of the men with the disease have no symptoms. Possible symptoms include discharge from the penis or vagina and a burning sensation when urinating. Additional symptoms for women include lower abdominal pain or pain during intercourse and bleeding between menstrual periods. Men may experience burning and itching around the opening of the penis and/or pain and swelling in the testicles"

You have the order of least succeptable correct...If I'm wrong, someone chime in

safest for you as a hobbyist:
1. DFK (kissing with tongue)
2. receiving oral (CBJ is safer than BBBJ)
3. giving oral (using a dental dam or saran wrap is safer)  

If you do a search on these subjects, you'll find links to some very informative sites.

I think it is less safe for a guy to receive oral than it is for a guy to give oral, at least in terms of contracting a STD.

Safer for both Hobbyist & Provider!

In VA-MD-DC there have been a few reported divorce cases where a woman gave a man herpes via bbj, and the man passed the bad news to his wife, or a girlfriend. I suppose this happens from open lesions in the mouth or on lips. It's a good idea to look in the mouth with a miner's helmet and bright light before each bbj, and to take a swab, while humming a romantic tune.
It can go either way of course.M>F>M
There were reports of a severe DATY Fever epidemic last year also, with 102 degree temps for 3 days, perhaps clamydia? I'm not a doc. Responded to ice packs. Nice ladies too! Not tuna.

Unfortunately, celibacy cause serious psychosis very quickly.

the only risk to a guy receiving oral sex is something bacterial like chlamydia, which is easily treatable. i suppose herpes is possible, but i'm not aware of any data suggesting that this is common.

the only way you could contract a viral disease like HIV or hepatitis B while receiving a blowjob is if her mouth was full of blood at the time and you had cuts on your penis, or somehow absorbed a significant amount of the blood through your urethra.
HIV and HEPATITIS can't live in saliva, and can't infect you unless they are absorbed directly into your bloodstream fairly quickly. so for that matter, if you are providing the oral sex, you'd have to hold the semen or vaginal fluid in your mouth for a while and have a lot of cuts around your teeth and gums in order to be infected - if you spit and rinse immediately, you lower your risk. and if you rinse and swallow, your digestive system will take care of you.

there is no real reliable data as to how many people have been infected through oral sex alone - but of the 40 million HIV positive people in the world, there is only one documented case of HIV being spread through kissing.

Nothing you posted, clarence, indicates that a guy giving a gal oral sex is any more at risk at contracting a STD than a guy receiving oral sex.

Let me ask this -- how many people have reported contracting a STD from giving oral sex to a woman?  How many people have reported contracting an STD from receiving oral sex?  I've seen a lot more reports of the latter, and in fact, I've NEVER seen any reports of people contracting an STD from giving oral sex to a woman.

At best, I think it is an even wash.

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what i'm trying to say is that NEITHER a man receiving oral sex, NOR someone performing oral sex on a woman is at high risk to contract bloodborne disease.

if i receive a blowjob, how would the virus enter my body? she would have to have blood in her mouth while performing, and i'd have to have open sores on my penis.

if i perform cunnilingus, i will get vaginal fluid in my mouth. HIV and HEP can live in significant amounts in vaginal fluid. if i have open sores or cuts in my mouth, i could possibly absorb the virus into my bloodstream. HOWEVER - this is still not thought to be HIGH risk by the medical community at this time. evidence? incidence of bloodborne disease transmission between monogamous lesbian partners whose only risk factor is oral sex is almost nil.

i don't know where you've "seen" reports of people getting std's from different places, but most reports aren't scientifically reliable. unless a person has only a single risk factor, how does he/she know where the disease came from? and besides, people tend to forget, exagerate, lie, and suffer denial when they report shit like that.

CDC statistics (imperfect, but the most scientific source that we have) indicate that people who are at high risk for contracting bloodborne disease are people who repeatedly engage in high risk behaviors (sharing IV drug needles and unprotected anal sex are the top - unprotected vaginal sex with multiple partners is also risky). oral sex just is not considered, or proven to be, high risk at this time.

"This case report describes an elementary school teacher who acquired hepatitis B virus from a student. Laboratory tests confirmed that teacher and student had the same HBV subtype with identical DNA sequences. However, the teacher reported none of the usual high risk factors for acquiring HBV infection.

Person-to-person transmission of HBV has been well documented in situations of close personal contact, specifically among household members. It is presumed that in these settings transmission occurs from skin lesions (such as eczema or impetigo) or sharing of blood-contaminated objects (such as toothbrushes or razors), although the specific pathway of transdermal exposure is rarely identified. Since HBV is stable on environmental surfaces for at least 7 days, indirect inoculation may occur via inanimate objects.

The epidemiologic investigation in this report supports the conclusion that the teacher acquired HBV infection in the school setting from the HBV-infected student. While the teacher recalled no overt exposure to blood, she reported an instance when the student’s saliva and nasal secretions had come into contact with her chapped hands. Although the concentration of virus in saliva of HBV-infected persons is several orders of magnitude lower than that found in blood, it is possible that transmission occurred through exposure of the teacher’s nonintact skin to the student’s saliva. The risk of transmission may have been increased because of the relatively high titer of virus in the student’s blood (and possibly microscopic blood in the saliva). Transmission from saliva has not been documented before except through percutaneous exposures (e.g., a bite that breaks the skin).

Hepatitis B virus is present in high titers in blood and serous fluids and in moderate titers in saliva, semen, and vaginal secretions of infected individuals. The most frequently reported risk factors for acquisition of hepatitis B in the United States remain high-risk sexual activity and injection drug use.

(Williams I et al. Hepatitis B virus transmission in an elementary school setting. JAMA 1997; 278(24):2167-2169)"

This document was produced by the Public Health Laboratory Service

Oral sex and sexually transmitted infections:
know about the risks!


Q&As

What do the recent studies on oral sex actually show?

The proportion of HIV infections in gay men which are acquired through oral sex has been estimated in various recent studies, including one in San Francisco. The study suggests that 8% of HIV-positive gay men thought they acquired HIV through oral sex. Initially this study suggested that a higher percentage of study participants believed they had acquired their infection through oral sex. However, on further, more detailed interviewing, some acknowledged other risks for acquiring HIV. But even this 8% figure is likely to be an overestimate because earlier studies have shown that many people are reluctant to admit to high-risk activities like injecting drug use or unprotected anal sex. When further details were obtained, many of those who reported oral sex as their only risk factor in these earlier studies were in fact found to have participated in other higher risk activities, suggesting that these are more likely to be the source of their infection.

A more recent study conducted in London among HIV-positive patients (mainly gay men) attending an out-patient clinic found that 6% believed their HIV infection had been acquired through unprotected oral sex. Because those earlier studies have shown that up to half of people reporting oral sex as a risk factor later admit to another risk factor, again these figures are likely to be an over-estimate.


How does this advice relate to previous advice given about oral sex?

It has always been said that oral sex carries a potential risk when it comes to HIV transmission, and that although it is much safer than anal sex, it is not risk free. Although oral sex carries a much lower risk than unprotected anal sex, recent studies in the USA and the UK have suggested that this risk may be higher than previously estimated.

It is the nature of scientific research that we are discovering new information about diseases all the time. These latest findings in relation to HIV and oral sex may be because sexual behaviour patterns have altered, or simply because as the epidemic has developed, we have been able to gather more detailed information than was available previously. But what is important is that people are aware of this new evidence so that they can evaluate the risks for themselves and make informed decisions about sexual practice.


Are there other risks from oral sex besides HIV?

Yes - other STIs are also transmitted by oral sex. Indeed, the risk of acquiring gonorrhoea or syphilis by oral sex is considered to be much higher than for HIV. This is because gonorrhoea and syphilis are much more easily transmitted than HIV, however unlike HIV they can both be treated relatively easily with antibiotics.

Gonorrhoea is becoming more common, and though syphilis is rarer than either gonorrhoea or HIV, it can also be transmitted orally. Indeed, oral sex has been a
major "driver" in a syphilis outbreak in Manchester of late.

Herpes viruses are a group who's modes of infection and manifestations are similar.  They exhibit a primary episode that can happen, in theory, only once and then recurrent episodes which can occur over and over.

The primary episode occurs as a result of the initial infection and is manifested as a vesicular outbreak that is often near the inoculation site. After the primary lesion is gone the virus essentially lives in a nerve ganglion until some stimulus initiates the secondary or recurrent lesions occurance.  During these secondary outbreaks there are vesiclular lesions (pimples) which are full of fluid which contains the virus.  It is the rupture of these vesicles that are the most common mode of transmission of the disease to another person.

Herpes Zoster has it's primary episode in what is known as Chicken Pox.  The secondary lesion is called Shingles.  The most common place for Shingles to be seen is on the torso and one can see the vesicles map out the region of the infected nerve on the skin.   This is usually around half of the body but can involve any sensory nerve including those of the surface of the eye or the genitals.  So in theory, picking up a child with pox then scratching your unit could give you the disease!

Herpes Simples comes in two forms.  Simplex I is oral and II is genital.  They are very similar in action and in fact can be infective to the other region.  That is, oral sex can innoculate the mouth and vise versa giving Simplex II orally and Simplex I genitally.


Simplex I is seldom seen in the primary phase because the common mode of infection is from a kiss to an infant and the lesions are inside the mouth of the kid and not seen.  The child may develope a low fever for a half day and be cranky but it can be dismissed as cutting teeth even by Physicians.  The secondary lesion is the Cold Sore most commonly seen on the lip.  It can be very quiescent or, in some people, pop up with almost any event from bumping the lip with a beer bottle to sun exposure to just plain stress.


Genital Herpes, be it Simplex I or II, can be painful but unseen in the primary phase. The primary lesions may be external or internal.  Similarly the secondary lesions may be internal or external and there by present the problem of direct visual inspection.

One should never ingage in kissing or oral sex with a person who has a visable lesion if you are not a herpes carrier.  If you have a herpes virus, you cannot get it again.  But realize that just because you get cold sores, you have one Simplex but can still get the other.  And you really have no way of knowing that that lesion you see on the other person is the same Simplex you have or the one you may not have.

Herpes viruses do not need an open lesion to infect as does HIV.

Actually you are wrong!! Performing Oral Sex on a women is more risky.  Whoever owns the mouth is at the higher risk. THe reason?
More likey that you have cuts or open sores in your mouth which contains mucas membranes that a virus could pass through.  WHich is why it is not recommended to brush your teeth before this activity. Also when you are done, use listerine.  But I think Clarence37 has the most accurate information on this subject...

What I find troubling is that most provides think they're clean.  They are not.  1 in 6 people have genital herpes.  You tell me that the ladies who perform countless BBBJ's don't have it as well.  There are other STD's like clamydia that are not detected, but can be passed on.  To most providers and hobbyists, it's not a big deal.  You can easily live with herpes and many other STD's are cured with antibiotics.  It's the married guys who need to be careful.  You get something, even a minor STD that can easily be cured, and pass it on to the wife, how do you explain that?  This hobby is for single guys IMO.

There are at leasst 2 good websites related to herpes.  One is www.coldsores.com and the other is www.herpes.com.  According to one website approximately 80% of the adult population has been exposed to herpes simplex 1.

If one is not having sex with one's wife, it would be difficult to pass it along to her.
Then, IYHO, would you still contend this is a hobby for single guys?
What about married providers?

No, if you don't have sex with your wife than it's OK to be in this hobby.  If you are a married provider then I'm sure your SO knows about your job.  I would just be careful about being married and passing something, even clamydia, to your spouse.

Most of my hobbyist friends are married and getting sex from their wives about once every three years on the average, several only every decade. When women say "I do," they forget even how to SPELL BLOWJOB.
To me this is mildly amusing. My most recent ex loved the taste of cum in volume, so I'm not bitter, just like variety and adventure like a good alpha male Bonobo.

What Misty did was rank-order the risk of 3 activities; she did not limit her analysis to viruses, add weighting for severity of any given disease, etc.  All I was saying is that I do not believe that a guy is at more risk when doing DATY (given the female oral sex) then he is when receiving oral sex from the female.

It's not that improbable to get the Clap or chlamydia when receiving oral sex.  All I am saying is that I do not see how one is more at risk at contracting anything by dining at the Y than they are by receiving oral sex.  Is either "high risk"?  No.  Are the things one might catch via those routes particularly scary?  Probably not.