The most exciting and erotic woman I’ve ever met did not want any reviews.

As seems common with your history, I only saw this lady because of a reference from another provider I trusted. I was scheduled to see someone that became ill so she recommended her friend. I was skeptical since she had no reviews but went ahead anyway.

Well, it turned out to be an experience that I am still sorry could not be reviewed. I am not a great reader of pornography but have read my share. A well written review of our session would have exceeded anything I’ve ever read. And it was almost all due to her not me. She oozed eroticism. She put me in a zone that I’d never experienced and have not yet repeated. I’m certainly not claiming any sort of connection to a "no reviews" or "UTR aspect". My policy is still to only see well reviewed ladies.

When I said goodbye to this "one of a kind" lady, I asked if I could write a review. Her response, "If you do I will track you down and cut off your balls!" and she said it with even more passion than she had just displayed earlier.

I know I’m not really addressing your questions but it was somewhat cathartic posting this. Still, I hope she never recognizes that I revealed this much, LOL.

I have been a part time courtesan for many years, and while I appreciate the fact that reviews are helpful, I think most are written about one hour dates.  While I do offer one hour dates, I rarely schedule any, as most of my gentlemen reserve multi hours, overnights and extended travel.

  A few gentlemen have asked if they can post a review, and I always say no, as I do not like being that "exposed" on a public board.  So, that leads me to ask:

Gentlemen:  I  appreciate the fact that you want to know if the lady represents herself accurately, has a nice environment to visit, smokes, etc., I do not understand the need for such detailed "reports".  Thankfully, I am a mature woman, with good self esteem, and know that I deliver a good experience.  I know this because I have many gentlemen that return often.  I don't need validation from a rating tier, to know that I am good at my profession.  I realize that most of "the juicey details" are more than likely embelished, and are for entertainment purposes; especially for one hour dates; how many positions, cups of coffee, etc.

Ladies:  How do you feel about being reviewed?  Do you feel it makes you a better escort?  In the sense that you know you will be reviewed?  Have you ever read one of your reviews, and just shook your head?  Do you feel that you get more calls because you have reviews; whether it is one review or one hundred?
 
  I ask these questions because I would like to have reviews, but my gentlemen friends would never write such graphic details about our date.  Most gentlemen I visit with, don't even know what TER is, as they are referred by another gentleman friend.  Gentlemen, let me ask you this: if I do have a few reviews written, will you honor my request not to post additional reviews?  As I mentioned earlier most of my dates are multi hour, etc, and they really do not fit the general TER review system.  

   I am in no way, thinking I am better than anyone; just different, and I truly value your opinion.  I would prefer you pm me.  Thank you for your time.

Hugs and Kisses

It's your choice.  IMHO, for a hi-end courtesan to be even remotely successful without reviews, she would need to have a very good word-of-mouth network of referral.  There aren't many guys that are going to make expensive, multi-hour commitments unless they are relatively assured.

And inducements. Maybe you know this, but it seems you may not. Here is how the reviews work from our point of view.

1. We are paid to write reviews. There are a couple of ways to get VIP membership, by paying or as a reward. The primary way to be rewarded is to submit reviews.

2. TER wants juicy details. All reviews are reviewed before being accepted. The review covers a lot of things, but no review would be approved without scores and certain juicy details.

3. You only get rewarded for the first review you submit on a lady. So not only are reviews usually for shorter visits, but they are also most often for the first visit.

Admittedly there are ways to make the review system work differently, including not reviewing until you have seen a lady a few times, letting the lady have some control over whether you review or not, and what you include in the review, and there definitely are some ladies who try very hard to control their reviews and not in the spirit of truth and justice.

I am not arguing with any of your points - I only review with permission, and try to make it clear when I did not have a good time if that was because of something the lady did, or just because we did not hit it off. I also agree that the reviews usually tend to be a catalog of (almost believable) sex acts, and not anything that gives one a real sense of the experience the two people shared. Still, any efforts to recast how the reviews work for you will need to keep in mind both the rules of TER regarding reviews, and all my fellows who will now chime in about how reviews are an expression of the truth whose only purpose is to further the interests of the brethren.

Which is wrong on so many levels that I will not even start. Probably have already said enough to get ahead of you for the flaming.

Lastly, as someone who also engages in a public job outside this world where I am constantly reviewed and often vocally criticized, let me share this. Most people are idiots who are not talking about you at all, just expressing something they feel like expressing for their own personal reasons. But there is a lot to learn from those who are knowledgable and make the effort to provide detailed and intelligent feedback. Having said that, the proper way to get that is really to take an extra half hour after the date and ask the guy what he liked and did not like. Which is not going to happen for many reasons. Short of that, I know the reviews can be useful, both as feedback and a marketing device, but they are a very imperfect tool whose primary purpose is to get traffic for TER, no matter what else any of us may think.

good luck,
zig

IMHO, reviews serve multiple purposes:

1. reality check
2. menu verification
3. potential to capture style or flavor of the interaction

1. is necessary to protect the hobbyist
2. is necessary to cover that-which-cannot-be-spoken
3. is perhaps the most useful part in making a decision, after the more simple requirements of 1 and 2 have been met.  

Unfortunately a review written primarily to capture style and flavor will be rejected if it doesn't contain a menu/chapter and verse description.  You are not alone in your discomfort with this.

The problem with partially opening Pandora's box with a few reviews is that they might not be credible, coming from a likely few favorites.

This was the first paradox that struck me as I became more acquainted with the hobbyist community.

That the same guys who profess such affection for providers write about real people as though they are livestock.

TER is an important tool, because there are providers out there who are not playing fair - and providers whose dazzling skills need to be more widely known.

But, even as a writer of erotica myself, I don't think I need a 2,000 word - minute by minute - Portable Keyhole into someone's hotel room.

On the other hand, the guys who write these testimonials to themselves have a special audience in mind - and I'm sure that I'm not part of it.

-- Nate

You say your type of man does not fit the TER mold.  You say you have no need to attract clients.  

What in heaven's name brings you to a websight where guys love to read and write reviews?  I agree with all of the previous replies, especially the one that says you have no credibility on a sight where credibility is measured in quantity and quality of reviews.

-- Modified on 1/12/2012 6:02:02 PM

or talk about your "gentelmen friends."  

Reviews give legitimacy.  You have no credibility as far as I'm concerned.

This captures my feeling of reviews exactly.  They may appear overly graphic, but they must be graphic enough for point 2, menu verification.  

To be blunt I want to know if DATY is possible - if not I will not have nearly as good a time, so why should I take the risk when there are a lot of other providers for which I can find out if that is accepted?

The original poster may know she provides a quality experience, and she probably does - but how are any clients supposed to know that?  It's a huge jump for us going to see someone blind, frankly I would never do it.   I never even considered hobbying until I found TER, at that point I felt comfortable enough that taking the step of paid companionship would not end in disaster.  Even if the stories in reviews are not quite accurate it's been close enough that I have not been surprised by anyone I have seen - a very good thing indeed..

If she has enough clients already it seems fine to say "no reviews" but there are good and helpful reasons why reviews are the way they are.

But they do much more than that. I don't want to be crude but we are buying sex. We need to know what we are buying. What is offered, how well it is preformed, etc. The  "the juicey details" is were we find that out. We are also buying companionship unfortunately most reviews don't tend to focus on that area, because list of sex acts is required and guys are naturally drawn to the sex part.

Yes most reviews are about 1/2 hour to and hour session as they are the most common ones booked for a first meeting, but they are not the only ones on this site. All of Edrienne Cole are multi-hour date reviews as that is what she sells. What your reviews will contain is what you offer most often to your new clients as they are the ones that generally write you a review. Your reviews will reflect what you sell.

I am not a provider, but I am real life friends to a few, and they tell me that many of their clients come from TER even though they do not advertise here. (I will never understand why that is.) I know they get more calls and their reviews are only mediocre.

I would honor you request not to be reviewed unless I feel others need to be warned about something. Here is my rules on when I review:

Times I almost always review. I will make time to write said review.

- I feel I need to warn my fellow hobbyists. Examples: Old photos, Robbers, B&S, con-women, dangerous pimp possibility, threats, violence, blackmailer, arrived under the influence, did not preformed as advertised, extreme rudeness, extreme uncleanliness, upselling and other similar experiences. We must warn each other of bad or dangerous people in this game we play. Note if the experience is bad enough it will post a review and/or a warning even if the above is true.

-she asks to be reviewed and my wife was not part of the session.

Times I don't review except when the above is true.

- The lady requests I don't. I respect a lady's privacy. "Only if it is good" or similar is permission to review even if it was not going to be a good review. It will count against her. I don't play that game.

- I was not up to par. It happens. Sometimes I am tired, in a bad mood or just over sexed when it is time for the session to start. The session was not as good as it should have been but I take responsibly for it. I will not have my issues affect a lady's business.

-I know she is going to retire soon.

-I already reviewed her.

-I don't know if she wants a review or not.

-I am just too busy or just don't feel like it.

Times I never review ever.

-When in a double with my wife. I don't review my wife sexual habits. She books all such sessions.

-When I am a personal friend of the provider before our fist session. I don't write shill reviews.

Now for a hot photo from Met-Art.com of Erika F.

I use reviews for one thing only and that is to see what services are offered. My fave is bbbj/cim. IF that is not offered I am not interested. I could care less about the "juicy details". Those are just little porn stories starring the reviewer. I take it with a huge grain of salt. IF a provider has no reviews I frequently email and politely ask if my fave is on her menu. Some respond, some dont. Like I said, look at reviews as a marketing tool instead a validation of self worth.

for some time. However, my attempts to find out more about you run into a brick wall since there is no website to look at to get an idea of your appearance or to find out where you are located. Reviews are used by guys to determine if a lady is someone they want to spend time with (and money). If a guy likes BBBJ and the review says CBJ, then he is not likely to schedule a date.

In response to your question, if a lady asks that I not review our time together, then I will not write a review. The only time I would go against her request is if there was a problem like B & S, ROB, etc.

I've read your posts for a while. You sound like a lady that has her shit together. I have no idea who you are, what you look like, and how you would be scored if you 'let' anyone review you. But I'm gonna pick your thread apart cuz you put it out there.

For one, why? Why would you consider 'letting' a guy post a review of you? You clearly don't want it, and it sounds like to me you're bored or there's some underlying shit you're not coming out with.

Maybe you're not as popular as you once were with your devoted flock of non-reviewers. Maybe they're dying off on you, or going back to their wives, and this is a way to try and replace them.

I used to write reviews for the usual deal. Get my free 15 days, puff out my chest, blah, blah, blah. But I resent you saying 'the juicy details are embellished'. I don't know about the other guys, but I left shit OUT of my reviews for a number of reasons that would most likely piss them off.

Now. I don't care if I write another one. Unless it's with one of the ladies I've always wanted to see or if I see a lady and SHE asks ME to write one for her. Shit. Ask around. The boys don't take my scoring serious anyway, so what's the fucking point?

Shit. I've seen ladies and wrote reviews about them. I've seen ladies and didn't write reviews about them. Some paid, some for free. I know who I saw and what happened. That's enough for me. I don't owe anybody here anything.

I can't speak for the ladies, but some that I know, that this is their bread and butter appreciate their reviews because they believe they work hard in their craft and some actually are passionate about their 'job', as opposed to those that know they're good-looking, think they know how to fuck, and for the most part have clients that are just shitty-happy to be with them for a certain amount of time even though they know they can't keep up with the lady.

These ladies take their reviews seriously, and if they're not happy with one or two their pride kicks and makes damn sure the next dozen or so potential reviewers won't forget her and leave a drooling mess and can't wait to get on their keyboards how much they loved fucking BWB...

Now. You don't want reviews, and I'll tell you why.

You're apprehensive. You're scared that some guy will give you a 7/7 when you think you're a 10/10.

I don't know who your clientele is, and to tell the truth I don't give a fuck. If you 'let' some guys write reviews about you, you're putting yourself out there for the rest of us scumbags to try and contact you. You're not ready for that. You're dippin' your toe to see if the water is warm. It's not. You'll open yourself to ridicule just like every other lady that has reviews on this site. The only difference is, they did.

You're definitely not better than the other ladies. They put themselves out there and take on all comers, within reason, while you hole yourself up in your palace. Them I respect. You, not so much right now.

I can just imagine what it would be like if you and I met. I'm pretty sure you'd run for the hills if we met downstairs for a drink and you heard the shit come out of my mouth.

But you know what the difference is? Some ladies thought like that, till they put themselves out there and made an effort.

Let's just say they changed their minds and I'm in the process of meeting with some of them...

Hi BWB, we met on my local board last month.

My first two reviews were for multiple hour dates, one was four hours and the other was eight, and actually of my 14 dates so far only two were for an hour.  My first review was written because I was asked.  I was uncertain because of the same reasons you mentioned, I didn't want to kiss and tell.  It was my second "well reviewed" TER provider that convinced me write reviews; apparently she found something in me that caused her to think I would be good at it.  She may have created a monster.

I really enjoy writing the reviews, it has actually transformed this "activity" into a hobby, and has propelled my writing.  Up to now I've only written memos, reports and proposals for work; now I'm writing for fun.  Granted, it's pornography, but I'm starting to write other things as well.  For example I wrote a few short stories about my hobby experience and posted on the Las Vegas board.  A few folks have said they were funny.  This year I hope to start writing "normal" stories.

If you want to read my reviews, my last one from Vegas was written to be funny, it was a real challenge and took almost a month to complete.  It wrote and edited it every day until I was satisfied.  Eventually I want to write one that is a poem.  There is a TER provider that write that way on her web site and ads, and I want to use that as an inspiration.

The only time I would write a review without the lady's consent would be if I felt the experience was bad, but since I only select providers with good reviews I don't that will ever happen.

Right now I'm backed up on reviews, I kinda went on a binge with the holiday specials, and I've been tied up with a family emergency, but once I'm done I'll have nine reviews.  I'll only need one more to join the "reviewers" board which I hope to do this year.

If I wrote a review on you, I would try to tailor it so it would have adequate detail to meet TER's standard, but tame enough so you wouldn't be offended. I like a good challenge. If that's not possible then I guess I would want to pass.  Like I said, the reviews have helped me in multiple ways, they have added meaning to what I'm doing and have given me personal insight into myself and why I pursue this hobby.  

So why are you here? Why do you want to be an active member of a community that is based on writing reviews if you don't want reviews?  There are other advertising sites and message boards.  What brings you to TER ?

What I've been told by other providers is that we represent a more respectful group of consumers.  I believe it's because we not only have a set of standards for providers, but we also have a set of standards for hobbyists as well.  All that is made possible by the open exchange we share in our reviews and message boards.

I hope you reconsider your position.

Good luck

Don't always be so sure about what your "gentlemen friends" will and will not write when it comes to the "juicy details". I have been very surprised before by the juicy details from an otherwise quiet, demure guy, but when they get by themselves, behind a computer screen, the excitement of that appointment will usually come out in the juicy details without a problem, lol.

You assume that most reviews are written for hour appointments, which is a huge generalization & just not true. Many are for multi-hour & even some over nights... the TER "general review system" in no way portrays hour appointment reviews only. If you were not  interested in having some reviews, then you probably would not be asking about them... just ask some of your regulars, you'll be surprised at their responses

It's fucking lame. I get on there to start shit from time to time.

You ever seen 'Trading Places'? In the beginning when Eddie Murphy gets popped in that 'club' with all the old fucks smoking cigars, drinking cognac, masters of the universe, how they made a million that day?...

That's the RO board.

Do yourself a favor and don't get that desperate. Unless, of course, you wanna see me rattle some cages!...

I think the reason she is here on ter is to attract dates. She is using her brains!! Her posts  draw attention and guys will pm her and tell her how attractive her brain is and then she will share her pictures and that's the beauty of it!!
This is the first post of hers I have read since her 9/11 post....which I found to be very insulting and in bad taste.

Most of which have been addressed but let me add my take....

Scoed is correct that my reviews reflect multi-hour dates - the majority of which are 4+hr dates and quite a few overnights.  Even though I offer an intro 2hr option, it is far from the most frequently booked option.  Just because the review doesn't discuss the cocktails, dinner, walk along the park, silly pillow fight in the morning when my tickle spot got attacked with a wandering tongue or whatever doesn't mean these things  didn't happen, it just means that TER doesn't "care" about that part.

I agree with the dislike of private moments being "exposed".  Interludes are unique unto the people involved and the moment in time so for it to be put out there for everyone to read can feel a little intrusive.  I also dislike reviews for the potential fodder they offer LE.  However, I love literotica and do like sometimes to relive my escapades.  

Reviews embellished?  Well, I can speak to what activities may have happened as being true or not but I cannot speak to someone else's perception of them.  Some may consider and act mind-blowing and others are nonplussed.  Who am I (or anyone else) to say the first is embellishing?

I suppose some ladies may take reviews as some kind of validation.  Is that necessarily a bad thing?  Who doesn't like to be acknowledged in the company meeting for a job well done?  Who doesn't like seeing their name on the Employee of the Month plaque?  True, for some, the "other esteem" may replace a genuine sense of "self esteem" and that is a sad state of affairs but who are you (or anyone else) to judge where anyone else's heart is with that?  Frankly, it's none of your (or anyone else's) business.

How do I feel about reviews?  They are a necessary evil to grow your business past a certain point.  I've been at this over 8 years and was UTR until a few years ago.  I met some wonderful people and made a fairly comfortable living.  After deciding to poke my head out and allow some reviews (and participate in some forums), my business grew exponentially.  I won't go into detail but I'm *very* comfortable now... and my CPA and CFA LOVE me.  Reviews DO matter and as much as guys here will say the Top Whatever lists don't matter to them, the vast majority of my inquiries include a mention to my "status".  Especially considering the fact that until about a week ago, my only net exposure was on 2 verification sites and my reviews/"status" here.  So in my (limited) experience, yes, the reviews and lists DO matter....

Did I say that outloud? lol!

Aliitlerespectplease I agree with your post.  While several posters did keep the questions in view when they wrote their responses others seem to try to pile on for some unknown reason.

I am using my given TER name and will also state that I have met the beauty with brains a few times and have always enjoyed myself and encourage others to seek her out.

True that I have reviewed her.

But it was on a site that did not demand the alphabet for BCD events.  She has never thought overly explicit reviews were what she wanted.

I didn't know the boards had distinct personalities, I guess I'd like to learn how to be a better reviewer, I certainly got to develop a better understanding of how to score.

Let me know when you're getting ready to rattle.

.......for professionally replying to my post.  I really understand and appreciate what you told me; especially since you were UTR for a long time.

  All I was trying to accomplish by setting up an account here, was to get a feel for the board, and the people who partake: nothing more; nothing less.  

  It was my New Years resolution to explore new opportunities and options.  This was one of them.
 
  EC, thank you again for writing such an insightful post.

Hugs and thanks

That is the funniest thing I have heard all year!!
I can say this for many of us here on ter that our NEW year resolution is to not believe a thing you say
because like it has been said before..you lack credibility
So if you want a NEW year resolution...get some credibility

On your other board you never ask these bullshit questions

In reply to your pm...I don't care how many cars your atf bought you...or wine cellars and rental properties.......you basically told guys on here to go fuck themselves instead of whining about lack of 30 minute appointments......You must think you are the only hooker with beauty and brains and you don't want reviews???? But you want to come on here and tell US we need to remember 9/11
I want to ask you..what makes you think we will ever fucking forget 9/11?
I was insulted then and I am insulted now.

Actually, the UTR subset of our demimonde is quite active. I have a few friends who only work on referral and do quite well in the 300-1000/hr range. UTR ladies tend to work at various rates client-to-client. All of my business was via referral until the Eliot Spitzer thing messed it up and I had to start advertising. The OP said she is working part time so its possible that ads and reviews aren't necessary. As much as everyone states you cannot work without reviews there is still a sizable amount of men who don't use TER (or any review board) as a resource. TER exists in a vacuum and caters to a very specific group.
Also, the men who are seeing the super high end ladies (Jet Set Lara, etc) don't use TER; their networks are completely different.

BTW what is so offensive about the OP? Her question was rather respectful.

EdrienneCole See my TER Reviews 147 reads

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Awww... too kind (e)

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Thank you, TCNY (eom)

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Actually, the UTR subset of our demimonde is quite active. I have a few friends who only work on referral and do quite well in the 300-1000/hr range. UTR ladies tend to work at various rates client-to-client. All of my business was via referral until the Eliot Spitzer thing messed it up and I had to start advertising. The OP said she is working part time so its possible that ads and reviews aren't necessary. As much as everyone states you cannot work without reviews there is still a sizable amount of men who don't use TER (or any review board) as a resource. TER exists in a vacuum and caters to a very specific group.
Also, the men who are seeing the super high end ladies (Jet Set Lara, etc) don't use TER; their networks are completely different.

BTW what is so offensive about the OP? Her question was rather respectful.

Posted By: PanAmlong

It's your choice.  IMHO, for a hi-end courtesan to be even remotely successful without reviews, she would need to have a very good word-of-mouth network of referral.  There aren't many guys that are going to make expensive, multi-hour commitments unless they are relatively assured.

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Thank you for your thoughts....

...very much appreciated.

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Respect is good

How do you know that the OP's question was well meaning and honest?  I'm not saying that it wasn't but others have implied it isn't.  How do we know either way?  I'm not in her head and doubt you are either.  Just as you suggest that we should be positive, should we also be naive and assume that nobody posts here with an agenda?

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Exactly! I'm a provider and frankly, BwB has consistently offended me...

if this were her first post, I would give her the benefit of the doubt.  But the reality is that her posting history has consistently shown that she believes that she is better than the rest of us.  She repeatedly tries to separate herself from us, "proving" that she is different.  

She's not.  I'm not buying what she's selling, and neither should any other white knight here.

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posted 13 years ago

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You have also reviewed her. She wasn't always so confused about reviews (eom)

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Good post, Mikey, it wasn't all about you for once.

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MP67 11 Reviews 166 reads

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Me letting you know is one thing...

But for you to watch is another. You need to get more reviews. Their rule, not mine.

Just another fucking thing about the machine I ain't diggin' on.

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Stop it. You're making me blush. ..eom

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Well said Julia. You have mastered the biz in a short period of time. Glad you . . .

understand marketing your business. You will go a long way in this world.

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