so far i have been in this hobby for about 2 years now and have some good experiences and some bad ones. i am also in my mid 20's closer to 30 then 20. lately i have wanted to step to more glamorous providers but have had one obstacle in my way. the over 30 rule. some of the more gorgeous providers only see men over the age of 30. this upsets only because i may not have the passion to pursue this hobby when im 30 and some of the providers may not be in the business when i am of age. for providers and hobbyist alike i would like to know what could cause this rule? one provider (she will remain nameless) said "that she only sees men over 30 because they know what they want". if that is the case i know exactly what i want as well and dont play games. can some anyone shed some light on this subject

The cause is all the previous 20 somethings have ruined it for you. Just like they did for your car insurance, where you pay the higher rates until you hit the "magic" age. It's 25 for car insurance, 21 for alcohol, and 30 for providers. You may well be the one and only exception...

The good news is that when you hit 30 something, the providers will be just as fabulious. This hobby has been around for slightly more than your entire life... it will be around for the rest of your life as well. Don't try and grow up too fast! 8-)

After six wonderful months as an escort, I recently added the note "Gentlemen 35 and over preferred" to my website.  The only guys I found to be less than gentlemen, no shows, and gentlemen leaving less than the donation in a very sneaky way, have been under 30.  The exception to this is the great younger guys in the military, always perfect gentlemen and delight to spend time with, even as young as 20.  I didn't start out with this opinion six months ago, it just became so very obvious who I needed to exclude.  

I'm sorry to hear of other providers having the above problems and of a few guys under 30 spoiling it for the rest.  I don't have any age restrictions at all as I've been lucky enough not to have had problems with younger clients and have had some great encounters with guys in their early-mid 20s.

being a no show less than gentlemen and leaving less then the donation is always a bad thing in any business. but can you really say that has something to do with age? or is that these guys are trying to get over on you any way possible. i know there are plenty of over age 35 men who will try to sneak around the rules you set up. i am only fighting so hard because of the few of us under 30 guys that arent a**holes and follow the rules of engagement.

Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.  I try and keep and open mind and do not set age restrictions, but statistically the worst times I have had were with gentlemen under the age of 30.  From my encounters, I can only surmise that gents in that age bracket haven't reached full sexual maturity.  They are to often more into the mechanics of an encounter and have treated me more like a piece of meat than a lady, for my philosophy is that both parties have to be pleased in order to have a fulfilling experience.  

Most (not all) of the younger gents I have met with do not cater to a ladies needs, nor treat her with the respect they deserve and do tend to break protocols more often in that they look to barter and do tend to try and cheat you.  

For example, I had a younger gent call me for an outcall recently and requested one hour.  The travel for me was for over an hour one way.  I respectfully declined for that reason and even suggested ladies closer to his proximity.  He wanted to see though, swore that he was a perfect gentleman and cared about a ladies needs also.  I told him that it would have to be a multiple hour date for me to travel that far.  He agreed and swore that I would not be disapointed.  

He ended up seeing me at an ungodly hour/midnight (plane delayed and the like), which I never do, but was there already.  We discussed the age issue.  Swore that he was mature for his age and that I would not be disapointed for he treats his ladies with respect.  End result, he was not into the time to get to know one another and just wanted to get down to the nitty gritty and his idea of making sure both parties needs were met left me with an aching jaw-lol!  Very cold and very mechanical.  I should of just left and chaulked it up for a terrible learning experience.  When all was said and over, despite our agreement and despite my staying well over the multiple hour, he only honored an hour with me.  Of course, my reaction was never again!  

Perhaps, in my case, it is a generational gap. I am older and my value system is something that I have garnered from my grandparents since they are the ones that raised me.  I don't feel that I connect with younger gents and if the above example of inconsideration is what younger gents feel is treating a lady right, then it really isn't my cup of tea.

Lauren

They are also more into visuals and prefer the hardbody Barbie doll, something I do not resemble in the least and am left feeling less than adequate with them.

I prefer men over 30 myself but there's always an exception. If you, or someone else 'passed' all the other 'criteria', I'd consider it.

Sedona

It's funny .. just say your 30 .... because for some reason providers in thier 30's always say their in their 20's ...lol... don't worry about ... speaking of ...why is it that many providers website never change their age .... I know of 1 incredible lady in Las Vegas who has just turned 21 for the last 5 years ...lol ... hobby safe hobby well hobby all you can be ...

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I for one am delighted to me over thirty.  Then again, I'm not so delighted to be way over thirty..lol.

The responses from the ladies so far have given a view of what goes on out there for them that made this "rule" come to be.  I also see some sense of what I would call a lack of maturation just peeking through in your post.  You wonder about your "passion to pursue this hobby" when you are thirty.  Why?  That in itself is to me an indicator of wisdom that comes with age.  And I guess that you can't learn it, it just 'comes with age'.  If, at thirty, you have no passion for the hobby you won't be missing a thing...because you won't have the passion.  And if you are wrong and you do have the passion, you will have access to what you desire.

In another view, I wonder why the 20 somethings want to hobby.  I know that we all have our reasons, but at that age I was actively dating and spending my $ in that arena.  There is a natural challange to the pursuit IMHO.  I later years I can more understand the wants and needs to have the 'no commitment' situation made available in the hobby.  But you young bucks....?

You are of course correct..not all younger guys are alike, just as not all older guys are alike--jerks in both groups, just as there are decent, honest guys.  Such is the case anytime a broad brush is used to paint people.

Age can be looked at as another form of discrimination, or it can simply be viewed as a particular person's preference..based on whatever they base it on, personal experiences, or simply what they feel will be the better odds of a shared compatibility, particularly if it's to be more the GFE experience as opposed to a quickie slam-bam & out the door.

It's human nature for any of us to have negative feelings of some sort when we feel we're singled out, turned down, for a reason other than who we really are as an individual.  Fair?  Hard to feel that it is if you're the recepient, but it happens every single day in all walks of life..simply part of the perhaps imperfect world we live in.  

But on the other side of this coin, there are probably more guys who simply by the gals they choose to contact exhibit the same preferences/discrimination..whether age, race, body type or otherwise.  So why feel it's wrong for the ladies to do likewise?  I suspect the gals are more open minded than at least half we guys are...at least some of the recent posts on this board regarding gals ages would seem to indicate this.      

Because trying to change all this is like attempting to catch smoke in a pail, my advise (which I know you didn't ask for) is to simply forget about it & move on to ladies who don't balk at your age...I'm sure there are more than enough to choose from.

Over 30 rule? Never heard of that in London. So are you saying when you turn up with a fist full of dollars the lady in question will turn you away because you look a couple of years the other side of 30?
As a client myself I like to think I have seen some of the better escorts in London, including Carrie's good friend Caprice.
Being in my mid 20's I would be pretty annoyed if the top ladies starting implmenting such a rule here!

Anyway what stop the client lying about his age? I mean I assume a 26 yr old can pass for a 31yr old quite easily? Just dont shave or something for a couple of days before the booking. I cant tell the difference between a 35 and a 25 year old's voice on the phone.

Also with the escort scene being quite quiet, which I assume it is in the USA compared to the last couple of years, turning away someone because hes in his mid 20's seems weird.

And does the over 30 rule apply to ladies? What happens if you see a 40 year old male client and his 24 year old girlfriend? Does the escort turn this booking down?

Sorry to go on, but it amazes me that this rule exists.

...that would gladly provide services to you without qualms.  Look a little higher "up the scale."

;^)

BJ, Palm Beach, Florida
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I've seen several under-30 clients in my time, and my experience is that they tend to be shy types that don't get into the "meat market" bar scenes or discos for the prime experience in dating.  Add to that, the women within those settings tend to be complete flakes, and probably spread around more STDs than Tijuana.

BJ, Palm Beach, Florida
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Everything in this world is geared to youth - promoted as such - beauty, hard bodies, etc - shown in beer ads- six packs and four wheel drives.  Snow bordering - hip hop - grunge - bed head -- T-shirts with FUCK YOU as an anthem.  Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to be 20 again... mostly because I work in a town where agesm runs rampant - where an gordeous actress past 40 is considered a "mother type" - where a writer with incredible ideas and talent gets passed over because some exec proclaims - "he's old enough to be my dad.."  

So for once.. it's nice to be in the "prefered age group".  No matter what the club is.  Let all the under 30's bitch and moan.  They've got the rest of the world cornered.

thanks for another great escort site to visit!  I'm always amazed at how many great looking honeys there are 'over there'!  Wish I could visit more often 'love'..

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I can certainly say that I have heard this chat over and over again.  Hey, I am over 65, and I have heard that most ladies like this age group.  BUT, why is that?  I would love to hear some first-hand comments as to why my age group is so well liked.

lets start with your lack of maturity comment. if was exhibiting a lack of maturity, i would come onto the board and tried to insult and question the integrity of the providers,  naming names of providers who only see men over their 30's. instead i posted a topic where i would get each persons hobbyist and providers opinion. my "lack" of maturity has allowed me not to think that i will still be in this hobby when im 30. each person has their own reason for partaking in this hobby i do it because of lack of time to court and have a serious relationship.....20 year olds are just like 30 year olds....they want it there way. for me in the future i do not want to have to shell out $$$ for a spin around the block.

and your next comment why would a 20 year old want to partake in this hobby? well the last time i checked there was no age range placed on this hobby. the only criteria i thought that mattered was $$$ and the willingness to see providers.

I think bjslipservice summed it up perfectly.  I am in my mid-twenties and I can tell you that I absolutely detest the bar scene.  Some of the wonderful providers I have interacted with in the past two years are far more interesting than some flaky college girl I'm likely to meet in the "real world".

I know a provider who is in her early 40's and is a librarian by day.  She is by no means remarkable looking.  She is a bit overweight and only posessed of average beauty.  However, I find her much more enticing because of her caring personality and intelligence - something I rarely find in women my own age or younger.

Conversely I have seen a provider 2 years younger than me that astounded me with her beautiful personality and warmth.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that there are good and bad in all age categories.  I think providers might want to make the "30 and up" thing more of a GUIDELINE rather than a hard and fast RULE.  I've seen providers that were initially nervous about my age but after email and phone conversations were put at ease - to our mutual benefit.

I am see a lady that is 31, I am 45. I am seeing her on a monthy basis. The other night she asks me to take her dancing. Ok by me as I can still dance to everthing quite well, even for an old man. This gal is an absolute hottie and during the evening the younger guy sare flirting, touching and rubbing up on her all against her "rules". So I decided to just grab her hand on the way to the dance floor, also against the rules. I was then told that I was way to old to be treating her this way in public! Well if that is the case why would she ask me to take her dancing in the first place! Been seing this sweetie for over six months regularly. a little off topic but you can see it goes both ways.

Don't take them to meat markets.

I think you stated very well, the fact, that this is an individual choice,Mithran. Having said that, you must also understand the Providers right to see who ever they darn well please.(Why would you want to see a Provider that doesn't want to see you..???)  For me it's about personality and how comfortable a Hobbyist is, chatting with me on the phone first, since if we don't click there, most likely, we won't click in person. Also if someone asks me personal intimate questions during the initial conversation, that tells me he #1. has no respect for me and #2. Is immature....So usually the conversation doesn't last very long. The young clients I've agreed to see, are some of the best regulars I have, simply because I'm what they want, and most older women, in the "Real World" won't give them the time of day, because, they are too afraid of what society thinks. Life is about choices Sweetie, so leave the girls with the "over 30 Rule" alone and respect their choice and check-out the hundreds of others that will play with you....Be safe, and I hope you Hobby a long time......Kiss kiss, Robyn

I agree with you totally Robyn.  I guess I just get a bit irked when I am lumped in with selfish, inconsiderate boors just because of the length of time (or lack thereof) I have spent on this planet.

But I do see your point.  If I was a provider that got treated poorly by some young jerk, I would most likely be leery of seeing anyone under 30 as well.  So even while I don't like the "over 30 Rule" I guess I have to respect it.

It just makes me feel like I'm 14 all over again, counting down the days until I can get my driver's liscense

Cheers, and happy hobbying

Mithran
26.7 and counting

Holding her hand while you walk her to the dance floor is against the rules?  What rules does this girl go by??  If she was upset that you were showing her affection in front of the younger guys then you should have told her that one them could pay her hourly rate cause you're outta there.

In a nutshell?  Older gentlemen treat a lady like a lady.  I don't know exactly what it is as to why it is so.  Perhaps it is the values that the generation was raised in.  

You tend to be more honorable and dependable.  When you say you are going to do something, it is almost guaranteed that you will.  Something that is important in this forum, because so much depends on your word and honor.

You tend to be more sexually mature in knowing that in order to have a fulfilling time that it is more than mechanics.  You seem more atuned and take in consideration the ladies needs knowing full well that in doing so, your needs will be met trifold.  It is no longer a mechanical aspect for you, strip, spread and get down to business, but a perfectly orchestrated dance of building the moment in taking the time to get to know the lady, Pushing the right buttons in foreplay that leads to a more explosive finale that leaves both of you in a very satisfied state of euphoria.

You tend to be more respectful.  You treat a lady like the human being she is, rather than a mechanical robot for hire and seem genuine in your concerns of her well being.  

It is IMHO the little things in life that bring the most pleasure.  A simple gesture and word makes all the difference and you seem to know that.

Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.  There are older gentlemen that are pure cads, as there are younger gentlemen that have learned these lessons early in life.  Statistically, (and have been quite suprised myself, for I never thought this possible myself when beginning this endeavor) it has been more of the older gentlemen in which I have had the most memorable times that leave me with a great big smile on my face and the fondest of memories.

I do hope this has given you the insight and answers that you seek.

Lauren

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>>>>I guess I just get a bit irked when I am lumped in with selfish, inconsiderate boors just because of the length of time (or lack thereof) I have spent on this planet.>>>>

You had us going there for a minute but alas you showed your true age. And you wonder why there's an over 30 rule.  

Signed

Just another inconsiderate, selfish bore.

>>>>>Let all the under 30's bitch and moan>>>>

Alas Melvin I think you missed my point... either that or I didn't convey it properly, probably the latter.

I was not bashing my fellow under 30 hobbyists, I was merely pointing out that it is unfortunate a few bad apples can make the game harder for the rest of us.  But as Robyn pointed out there are more than enough beautiful ladies to go around - so no harm no foul.

I apologize if my lack of communicative abilities caused any anger or misunderstanding.

Signed

Just another under 30 bitcher and moaner

Hey, does that mean you go for 40+ providers, or are you a hypocrite?

He meant that he gets irked when he gets lumped in with the yucky (younger) guys who are responsible for this 'rule' happening in the first place - the ones who spoiled it for everyone else.
Everybody's ok...

It's good to have guidelines, and there are always exceptions.


Hobby On!
Sedona