Hi, I was wondering how people go about negotiating fees.  For example, if someone were asking for 160 for a half, some people say that could get that price down.  Obviously, whether or not you're a regular plays a factor in price-setting, but how would one negotiate prices in general and what would be a good price point for the above example?  Thanks!

Your question about 160 is tough, because you don't give any context.  What is her rate for 1 hour and above?  What do her competitors charge?

If she charges 300 for an hour, it's hard to go less than 160 for a half!

unless you become a regular

Never negotiate. Period.

Almost all ladies have a 'repeat' rate; and even sometimes a different 'regular' rate.

You can simply put the question if she has reduced rates for repeat clients and/or regular clients.

Touche, Sedona, Touche!

IMPO, some things you negotiate on, others you don't!

You negotiate with the Car Dealer, with a Doctor,. or Dentist you don't(or at least you shouldn't)

You negotiate with the Realtor, with a Provider you don't.

It really irritates me when people bring up this issue, and I'm a hobbyist, not a provider.

When you become a regular customer, and you click with one or two, or more ladies, I guarantee you will start getting discounted rates. In the meantime save your money.

Alright, thanks for the input guys!  I'm kind of a newbie, so I didn't know what to expect.

I'd been thinking myself that the only "consumer" items which are normally negotiated in our culture are homes and cars.  Oh yeah, and really cheap crap furniture.  You know, 5-piece set for 199.  Start to walk out the door and they offer it to you for 160, including delivery.  That kind of negotiating you might find on El Cajon Blvd.

Even aside from having some respect for the provider, I've always felt it to be beneath my dignity to try to negotiate.  If I can't afford what I want I'll save for it.  If I feel it's overpriced, I'll move on.

Funny, Someone mentioned negotiation with a lawyer or doctor. I would negotiate if I didn’t have the money, but those are usually a matter of life or death or worse legal matters.

Providers are usually a different matter. It is a consumable product, a luxury item if you will, and is only available to those with the price of admission. (Sorry for the pun) If you are cheap, you look for bargains or accept inferior product.

Because of a pre-pay situation, I was forced to be $ short. I offered to bring cash, but I was told to forget it. I was so touched that I was going to give her a painting of mine that she liked. So be kind and you might win, but never expect it or demand it.

but not your provider?  I don't and wouldn't negotiate with my providers.  But I wouldn't with my dr or dds either.  I'll tell you something.  When you start cheeping out you set the mood for the service provided.  You really want the dentist to do 3/4 of the service?  How would you think that the Dr. feels when she starts to examine you just after being "negotiated" down?  Think you are getting their best?  How would you feel if the Dr started to negotiate up?

You make an offer on a car, or a house, but NEVER for services.  You'll end up on the short end of the stick every time.

Agree 100%.  Just ask your average Doc how we feel about negotiating with HMO's

I wish your quote "You make an offer on a car, or a house, but never for services" were true for realtors.

Thats my business and I always have to negotiate for my services.  And believe me, a lot of people want me to do this for almost nothing.

Bond

They mangage to fuck the Dr. and the patient at the same time.

I think that what I said applies to you as well.  Your services should be at your rate.  The offer and counter offer is for the property that is on the market.  You may be tied to that by way of % of sale price, but you should get what you ask for.

NEVER negotiate fees with a provider.

Did this once (many years ago when I was very young and equally foolish) and it screwed up one of the best things I could have ever had.

Most providers take care of their regulars.

Again, NEVER negotiate the fee!  In the end, you are going to lose.  If the price is too much, just move on.

-- Modified on 10/12/2003 10:32:26 PM

I apologize for the harsh tone.  Should have just made my point plainly and calmly.

I have to agree with Stumpy.  I have been the hobby for more than a few years. I don't have a lot of reviews posted because I tend to find ladies I like and see them on multiple occasions.  I never negotiate prices, and never ask for discounts for repeat business.

On the other hand, I have *never* been offered a discount rate as a reward for my repeat business.  Either I am a huge jerk, and don't deserve such favors, or it is a case of if you don't ask, you will never know.

Tell me, which is worse?  Cheapening a young lady by asking for such a favor, or never being rewarded for repeat business because I don't ever broach the subject?

Thanks for your response.  Wish more folks felt that way.

Bond

Personally, I don't have a problem with it. If I was a guy and I really wanted to see someone, I would pick the hottest girl I found and offer her what I can afford. The worst thing that can happen is she can say No and I can tell her that I guess I'll have to save.

One of my favorite clients was a grad student. We had a non-in-stone arrangement but basically he'd show up 1x a week, every week. Now, I could have done 4 clams an hour but instead, 2 1/2 clam. In the end, I made a stable ocean a month and he was one of my favorites til he moved back to Hong Kong to be with his family. :O(  The goal is to find the clients you really like and get them to see you often. The fact is, their company is great. The experiences only get better and they will want to come back as much as you want them there. The fact that you are being paid, is almost unbelievable.

Generally the rule of thumb is, the more they make, the less willing they are to part with funds. Lawyers and doctors are the worst. There are some exceptions. It's those who give you the shirt off their back who never negotiate and who you bend all the rules for, let them stay longer, xtras, absorb hotel costs, drive long distances.

Engineers/computer geeks, funky young asian dudes, older gents/grey haired, left wing intellectuals. THE 3 ZONES OF HEAT AND FLAWLESS, MINDBLOWING SESSIONS.

I had a provider the other day tell me that all her clients are lawyers and I'm thinking, I get no lawyers. But she gets no engineers and no pencil thin asian dudes. I used to have a non smoking rule. Until I met a great hot guy who smoked and who I just had to have again and again.

When I just arrived in the Valley and began my adult career, I got a fair share of college age guys. Those were pretty interesting sessions because I was 29. I remember all those sessions very fondly because being with someone who is barely legal when you are 29 was a trip. Younger guys didn't give me erotically fulfilling experiences (again, some rare exceptions) but they were fulfilling in other ways. Now, only guys over 40 can help me reach mecca. I'm not sure why but I guess they know what they are doing. Young Asian guys really know what they are doing. Old guys know what they are doing. The technically and intellectually inclined know what they are doing. Doctors and lawyers are not "detail" oriented and their arrogance leads them to miss the really important stuff.

So, the funny thing is...on negotiating, if you fall into a subgroup, we may negotiate if we can afford to do so and sometimes we can't due to overhead, bills, travel etc. But subgroups generally don't ask for discounts. If you fall into a "problem group", we will not discount but chances are you will be asking. So, if you are asking, I guess you should ask yourself if you are a. a doctor, b. lawyer or c. male between the ages of 30 and 39 who can't even remember the name and location of the women he's been with in the last month. But if you are a lawyer and you approach an escort who loves lawyers, you might not ask her for a discount but you might ask me because you already sense, I think you are going to ask me for a discount. This technique by you is called NonSubgroup Inversion Technique. You aren't asking for a discount simply because you can't afford me. You are asking for a discount because you know I think you are an ass and you don't want to pay me more for all my hard work of dealing with your attitude and bull to work a deal. My inability to negotiate is called NonSubgroup Inversion Technique Throwout.

The term PRO does not refer to professional or a pro*******. Pro means Pro-actively seeking subgroup material.

If you honestly can't afford our rates because you make $10 an hour but want to see us specifically and only see 1 lady a year, we can sense this. We "know" and we love you.

If you sorta can't afford to do this but basically what you are going to do is see 2 ladies in the same 3 day spread than in actuality "you can afford us". You just want volume and diversification because you fear being "dumped" or that your new fav won't see you again because a. you might say something that will piss her off b. who knows You fear the worst. You spread yourself too thin. You work so many angles, in time, you will get "found out" because you get careless. Either that or you'll never find love.

So, the answer to the question is...ask yourself why you are negotiating and you will find out why you are hobbying in the first place.

ie: I'm negotiating because I don't think she's worth the money. Oh, that's so mean. And you want to know, why you are single?

ie: I'm negotiating because I have no money. Then maybe you should make more money.

ie: I'm negotiating because I want to see as many women as possible because I'm G Studmuffin. I don't see 'em more than once. I drop seed here. I drop seed there. Solution, dominatrix to kick your ass or reality check.

ie: I'm negotiating because I need car repairs to get to work and I'm making 25 grand a year and my wife is prego and I haven't seen a naked woman under 200 lbs. in 8 months. Solution: negotiation material. How do you we know you aren't lying? If your life really sucks, we can tell just by talking to you or looking at you. We know. And we do our best to change all that so you can do what you need to do to support your family and be a happy, healthy man who never has to hire a lawyer for $500 an hour, the very sam guy who is going to try to negotiate an escort like me down to $150 bucks. My role is called Subgroup Peripheral Support to Prevent Anti-Subgroup Growth.

HB

I never negotiate fees with a provider.  Negotiating takes the wind out of the sail, so to speak, and makes the date so much less enjoyable.  I will always pay her rate.  However, in return, I would never allow her to negotiate service with me.  There are specific services that I require in my "dates".

So my simple rule is:  I won't negotiate with you , but you cannot negotiate with me, either.

What amazes me is that there are providers out there that don't understand this.

F.

"The educated hobbyist is a providers best customer"


Cheers!

HBX!  Just happy to see you and yes that IS a cell phone in my trou...

Sully

I agree with Sedona. Most of us are already giving reduced rates for the summer months. We do, however, offer specials to repeat clients or regulars. Do you negotiate your fee if you're a dentist or doctor?

Hugs,
Ciara

The anecdotes are too good to be made up, they MUST be true.
Great reading!  Thank you for taking the time to share.

BTW
"Engineers/computer geeks, funky young asian dudes, older gents/grey haired, left wing intellectuals. THE 3 ZONES OF HEAT AND FLAWLESS, MINDBLOWING SESSIONS."

I am an Eng., 1/2 asian and 40+

I best get in touch with you!!! We could have a session with "Batman" supertitles.  KA-POW!!!

Brilliant!--

--A left wing intellectual  (in fact, a red diaper baby)

have a few attorney clients and one doctor who are fabulous!

But, we know there are those exceptions! LOL

well, I love my lawyer and doctor clients

I personally haven't found that gentlemen in any particular careers ask or don't ask for discounts or negotiations, but then I have been in the business for less than one year.

Anyway, I love my lawyer, doctor (and engineer) clients--all have been VERY generous to me. (In my civilian life, I usually date attorneys.)

My $.02 - some providers have offered me discounts after getting to know me.  Others stay late, etc.  I always pay full price at first and try to make the session fun for me and the provider.  Most of the ladies I see now let me decide how much to donate.

I agree you don't negotiate with providers once they have told you a rate (or posted one.) I have discussed rates where there was none there (for example, "what is your 7 day rate to a villa in Tuscany? Here's what I think is fair...")

On the other hand, I think it's quite funny to compare this with doctors or lawyers.

In the case of doctors, much of the price is fixed not by the doctor, but by the insurer. So negotiation isn't an option.

And lawyers you absolutely SHOULD negotiate. In fact, I have never paid a legal bill or ANY bill for a long-term hourly contract without negotiation. Of course, this is not because lawyers (or consultants) charge by the hour, but because I'm not around for all the hours they count and want to make sure we agree on what should be counted. Hopefully that's NOT the case with a provider!  And I'm still a very popular client with lawyers and consultants, because in any negotiation it's most important to be respectful and fair.

And I think at the end of the day that's the important thing: just be nice and respectful to each other.