This morning on Howard Stern porn star Bridgete Kerkove was on & she mentioned she's used a liquid condom (yes, liquid condom)....
I wasn't able to listen very long but wondered if anyone heard it & could explain how a liquid condom works....

Let's see if this works: http://www.20ishparents.com/home_and_family/relationships/condoms.shtml

coming from a girl who's put 500 chopsticks up her @ss that should be a ringing endorsement ... it's not FDA approved and just cuz the porn industry uses it, it doesn't mean it's safe ... these are the same guys who give girls GHB before shooting them doing rough anal sex!  

And For My Next Trick"
I am not sure i would want to use it.

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POZ (03/98) P. 31; Hess, Scott
    Dr. Michael Bergeron of the Laval Infectious Disease
Research Center in Canada has created a liquid condom that is
non-toxic, tasteless, and transparent.  The condom, made out of a
polymer gel, is spread over the vagina or anus using an
applicator.  It gelifies in response to body heat and surrounds
the penis.  According to the inventor: "It's a physical barrier,
but it moves--that's the advantage."  The polymer gel can be
flushed out with water.  Bergeron developed the gel due to
patient complaints about tight condoms.  He also said that the
protective measure will enable preventative power in the
receiving end.  Trials to determine the contraceptive's efficacy
in preventing HIV, herpes, and pregnancy will begin this spring
with 100 sex workers who say they do not use condoms; one-half
will use the "liquid glove" on the job, while the other half will
serve as a control group.

Knowing a pornstar personally I was shocked to find out they're entry into the industry does require first time hiv testing but never any followups and that's the main reason I politely decline to see gentlemen who use them as references, although I do give them points for being honest.

active pornstars must have PCR/RNA HIV tests on a monthly basis (and then only from approved labs like AIM Healthcare in LA).  i don't know who this pornstar friend of yours is but he/she must be working somewhere outside of Porn Valley USA, cuz what you're describing is unheard of  --- for the last decade it's been SOP (standard operating procedure) that if you show up on a set without proper paperwork you don't work. it's that simple!

it's no secret that i've seen pornstars (PSEs) and believe me despite the populace opinion, i'm not THAT stupid! LOL  although this does bring up an interesting point, which i've addressed before ... so pardon me while i rehash for the benefit of others


IMHO (some) active pornstar PSEs are (for the most part) more safety conscious than (most) active GFEs i know of -- well, actually "conscious" may not be the right word, more like *forced* to be safe by the porn industry --  cuz frankly i don't know of many GFEs that have monthly HIV tests done, do you?  of course, it's true that PSEs who also do movies are at greater risk than GFEs but i for one never do anything unsafe with a PSE that i wouldn't also do with a GFE

but you're certainly entitled to your opinion (cuz that's really what it is, an opinion, and not very well-informed one i think) --- but at least now you know well enough to stay away from me  

See last paragraph under "Microbicides".

The page also contains a link to a good article about female condoms which was the subject of another thread on this board.

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Three different stars have told me same thing; their tested monthly with the PCR/DNA test: no paperwork=no work.....

I happen to have been one of those that did test monthly when I dated, and I this if I dated only ONCE in a month.. I tested monthly, and still do, as I'm not six months out of dating.

That's not the point. (Although I encourage monthly testing by anyone that has a high risk contact, and those of us that "hobby" are engaging in high risk contact, safe practice, or not.  PCR/DNA testing is merely a more timely result. )

My point is,  the Porn Industry's STATED standards, and what truly happens,  as well as what happens with AIM and it's employees/directors,etc. has been discussed here before, and at length.  

I am not finding the thread wherein specifics of faulty and fraudulent testing by certain people were mentioned that resulted in illness of Pornstars.  I'm a sentimentalist by nature, however that thread had a ring of truth, other threads have enough statistics regarding pornstars and their rate of STD infection to keep me wary.

In an industry whereing there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars to be made by the powers that be,  I tend to think it would be naive to believe the testing panacea that's being propogated.  I'm certain not all productions/producers/directors are equal.

To each his/her own.  It's a free country, sort of.

Elise [email protected]



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Hey, just wanted too say hello too you Mathesar...whoever you are. One day, I will eventually have the good fortune of meeting you.

This is somewhat of a long read, but I found parts highly interesting.

The stats (Panel 4: tc3-stats) are extremely interesting.

The comments by Ed Powers (Panel 19: ed-powers) about "rogue" producers who don't require the industry standard tests are also of interest.

If you have the time and patience just click on Panel 1: "cover"  and click "next" after reading each page. (There is one page where the reproduction is too small to read, but the rest of the report is fine.)

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there are fringe elements of criminality in this as in any other business, except the stakes are immensely higher

but the hobbyist who always play SAFE (by his own acceptable standards) has less to worry about than the industry workers themselves in these reports ... for all anyone knows (or should know) any one GFE one sees could be carrying STDs of some kind (heck, in some places/cases it's almost certain)

... is a unique member in the annals of TER!

one day we should ALL like to meet him

I only mentioned the above statement because it's what I was told - no harm was intended.

There's no a laws requiring adult industry entertainers to be tested, it's industry standards but they're not enforced. Just knowing this subconscientiously means taking the necessary precautions and not turning a blind eye on what's reality.

If it sounds to good to be true it probably is. Let's use some common sense here. There are many reputable condom retailers across the country and online as well. NOT ONE is advertising or promoting a liquid condom. That should tell you something.
the truth is this product has been in some form of clinical trial since 1998, and to date there is no evidence whatsoever that this product is an effective barrier at all. IN fact, the reason the the product is not officially on the market is that they manufacturers can't prove anything. Any hype about this product should be ignored. And if your condoms fit to tight, get a larger one. But use real condoms.
Enough said.