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Re:Important read for new providers.
DaveMogal 74 Reviews 3959 reads
posted
1 / 15

New providers need to be careful. Read this article and be careful.

-- Modified on 1/1/2004 10:44:56 PM

EliteEbony 2927 reads
posted
2 / 15

Wow, that's a horrible thing that happened to that young lady. This story should help hobbyists understand why we as providers do  the screening that we do.
Ladies be safe!!

Happy New Year to all

Elite

OmegaZap 7 Reviews 4875 reads
posted
3 / 15

First...  New providers need to be more careful than experienced ones?

But I got something else from the article...  Maybe I'm just over sensitive to this, but there seems to be one of those sociological judgements implied by the court...

The part that puzzled me was that bail was set at 150k in a case where the defendant has left no doubt of his guilt.  He's already confessed, so he either did it (why let him out on bail then) or he's got real issues and plans to use an insanity defense (again, why bail then).

I would be curious to see if bail would have been set at 150k had the victim been ANYONE but a provider.  I suspect you can't bump off a cop or a nun in San Antonio and get bailed out for a buck fifty.

U_Cum_1st 4 Reviews 3755 reads
posted
4 / 15

I saw that too.  I took solace in the fact that Texas kills more convicted murderers than any other state.  I trust he'll never get the chance to do it again.

Paxem 14 Reviews 3257 reads
posted
5 / 15

The only hope he isnt able to skate with an insanity plea and sent to a rest home for a few years of "therapy". The link for the following article wouldnt post so I copied and pasted....

 Man had 'blueprint' for escort's murder
Attorneys debate whether notes show lack of sanity
By JESSICA MCBRIDE
[email protected]
Last Updated: Dec. 12, 2003
A West Allis man wrote a detailed "blueprint" for the murder and dismemberment of an escort, according to court records and testimony in his homicide trial.

The handwritten instructions, which authorities discovered next to the escort's bagged remains in a trash bin behind Keith Michael Addy's apartment, range from "eat one cup of grape nuts," to "walk her directly into room, take off her clothes . . . ."

Addy, 27, wrote that he would ask the escort's name and change it to "worm," and that he would call the escort service and say: "I would like a girl that enjoys being tied up, whipped, blindfolded, having hot wax poured on her . . . ."

One woman who worked with Beautiful Blondes declined the job because his requests sounded odd, according to previous testimony. But Annamarie Lewandowski agreed to go to Addy's apartment in the 8700 block of W. National Ave. on March 6, where he subsequently carried out his plan, which also indicated that he was going to "quarter" his victim, according to doctors' reports and testimony.

The notes, Addy told one doctor, were "a blueprint of the acts. I knew it was supposed to happen to her," records show. Addy allegedly told at least one doctor he believed he was the Messiah.

Addy told doctors who examined him as part of his insanity plea that the escort agreed to wear a hood and be burned with candle wax. During the act, he started bludgeoning her over the head with a hammer, reports said. Addy then stabbed Lewandowski, put her body in a bathtub, dismembered her, put her head in a duffel bag, and carried the remains to the trash bin.

Addy was convicted earlier this week by Circuit Judge Richard Sankovitz, who is now hearing testimony from four doctors about whether Addy suffered a mental disease or defect at the time of the slaying. If the judge finds that Addy did, and could not control his conduct as a result, Addy would be sent to psychiatric hospital instead of prison.

Lawyers are debating whether Addy's notes - and the fact that he tore them up and put them with his victim's remains - are an indication of a mental disorder or of sanity.

The prosecution alleges that Addy is making up his insanity after the fact to rationalize the brutal crime. The defense contends Addy was psychotic before and at the time of the slaying and that the notes help prove it.

Three of four experts who have submitted reports support Addy's defense, and one does not.

Basil Jackson, a Menomonee Falls psychiatrist and attorney, testified Thursday that Addy suffers from a delusional disorder of which the notes, which Jackson called "fragmented" thoughts, are an indication.

Jackson called the notes - which also include mentions of wearing a fur hat and turning the television to a certain channel - a "psychotic production."

Jackson said that he believed Addy's tearing up the notes was consistent with him trying to resist the forces.

But prosecutor Karen Loebel asked the doctor whether that also would be consistent with hiding a crime.

Jackson said that was possible. But defense attorney Jerome Buting pointed out that the notes were thrown into a trash bin with other documents that identified Addy, which Jackson said didn't seem consistent with someone trying to hide a crime.

But a doctor scheduled to testify today said in his report that Addy's activities were "goal directed and not frenzied" and that Addy said he had cleaned his apartment after the murder to "get away with the crime." That doctor does not support an insanity defense.




From the Dec. 12, 2003 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel


The judge found him INSANE...he did recieve a 5-10 yr sentence for having a firearm but he will be sent instead to a psychiatric hospital for "therapy".

Be careful out there ladies

Shafty7 12 Reviews 3843 reads
posted
6 / 15

From my perspective the screening procedure used by most providers is designed to verify who the hobbyest is and show the hobbyist that he will not be with the provider annonymously. This serves as notice to the provider that he will not be able to get away with crimes against the provider since there will be a record of his presence. Perhaps there are other screening processes that I am not privy to, but I still fail to see how ANY such process can protect someone from the proverbial "lone gunman".

This man was a tourist, and so would have no previous provider refferal. However I don't think the providers in most areas can afford to screen out all tourists as a rule. I live in south florida, and while of course have no hard numbers to base an opinion on, it seems obvious that a significant percentage of the hobbyists and therefore provider support in this area comes from tourists from both inside and outside the US.

Since this sociopath had no intention of "getting away" with anything he did, he would have had no trouble with giving all his personal information to the provider and having it verified (as much as can be verified on a tourist from finland).

The way I see it screening can provide protection from irritations of idiot hobbyists and minor theft attempts, but provides very little if any protection for the provider against someone who is truly intent on harming her. This is similar for hobbyists who really have no protection from the psycho provider who decides that she is going to blackmail him with threats of calling his wife/girlfriend/job. I mean, we can barely protect the president from loons, and as much as I detest GW I really don't think he is regularly getting naked with security risks.

Since the time of "Jack the ripper" and probably before then there has been a certain loony element that chooses to prey on the provider community and I believe that the only real protection, for providers and hobbyists alike, still not much in any case, is intuition and trusting that feeling in your gut that says things are not right.

Unfortunately, both hobbyists and providers have very real and insistent reasons to ignore these little warnings. For the hoobyist its that throbbing in the groin area that brought him to the meeting in the first place, and for the provider its that electric bill or that that smiling little face that needs to eat today.

Hmmm...now that I am at the end of this rant I can't see that there is a great point to be made, except that perhaps the chant of screen, screen, screen on the boards should not be seen as some sort of warding spell that protects a provider from any and everything.

rubbedandtugged 2583 reads
posted
7 / 15

150k is (very)light for murder... but...this guy is living in a $153 a week (probably transient) hotel, setting bail at 150 (15k cash) is probably like a million bucks to this loser..  On the other hand...he did have $800 for the girl...  hard to figure

Michelle Elise 2590 reads
posted
8 / 15

For most providers with the money they make, they can set aside something for self defense classes. I've had several clients ask if I worry about such things to which I reply yes but I was also in boot camp and know how to use my 30/30, 20 gauge, 410, and my rotties don't like inpolite people(incall now) lol. I've had several clients also decline because I had a driver when I did outcall. Tough sh*t. Granted I can take care of myself, why take the chance? It always gets your point across not to f*ck with me because I have a 280 lb bouncer just outside should you turn out to be a pycho and that has made the difference between life and death in several appointments I have had over the years. You can only screen so much and those appointments that nearly turned fatal are from clients you would never have expected. Looks can be decieving.

sedonasandiego See my TER Reviews 4350 reads
posted
9 / 15

She would have begun with verifying employment - where does he spend his days. She would have asked where she was to meet him, and she would have asked for references (NOT as screening, but as a verification that he HAS seen someone, and they can say whether they were harmed or robbed).

What? No job? What, I'm meeting you in the hotel where you've living - which is a dive, etc?
No job, no place of residence, no provider references?
PASS, BIGTIME!

Also, she would have, once she accepted the appointment (why?) had a check in call periodically. When she didn't respond within a certain time, help would have been dispatched. The check in calls are a good deterrant and he might've thought othewise of hurting her.


-- Modified on 1/2/2004 3:10:12 PM

Lustman 3 Reviews 4194 reads
posted
10 / 15

I dont think a check in call would have helped this girl.
Seems like her 'handler\driver' appeared with her at the hotel
collected the cash and was probably waiting for a call back
when she was done.

I doubt and indie would have taken this call, but agencies are in it for the money not the girls wellbeings.  Anyone that thinks otherwise (with a few notible exceptions) is only fooling themselves.

ML

OmegaZap 7 Reviews 4666 reads
posted
11 / 15

"Also, she would have, once she accepted the appointment (why?) had a check in call periodically. When she didn't respond within a certain time, help would have been dispatched. The check in calls are a good deterrant and he might've thought othewise of hurting her."

Not in this case...  The article said she had a driver, who actually set foot in the room before leaving her.  If the knowledge that "Big Ed" may be in his car out by the curb sharpening his sling blade isn't enough of a deterrent, then certainly a phone call would not have helped.  He had no intentions of not being discovered, and in fact, turned himself in.

First, I think we have to be careful about trying to draw too many lessons from these kinds of crazy ad-hoc episodes.  We can lose so much sleep over the freak incident that we lose perspective.  I don't mean to make light of her dire outcome, but we can get so focused on the one-in-a-million possibilities that we de-prioritize other risks that are much more a part of life.  I may be killed tomorrow by lightning, a meteor, or a stray golf ball tomorrow, but I CHOOSE to live my life exposed to those risks, and focus my risk management elsewhere, like seatbelts and diet.  

Second, we must remember that deterrence and defense are not the same concept.  Deterrence is creating a fear of a consequence that is so costly to the perpetrator that they choose not to victimize you.  Defense is the ability to halt their assault once they've decided to act on you.

Deterrent force does not work if the attacker does not fear the consequence that you are proposing.  If the thief doesn't care about getting caught, the ADT sign outside your house won't matter.  He clearly had no plans of getting away with this, as he himself called 911.

I don't think there was any deterrent she could have applied that would have made any difference.  Her only way out of this was to not take the appointment, and we ALL appreciate the gravity of the financial pressure she must have been under--Mama needs heat, plain and simple.  That's what makes me so sad about this.

Aug5 9 Reviews 2670 reads
posted
12 / 15

The way we hand bail bonds out to sickos is just appalling.  Do you remember the woman who ran over her cheating husband with their car. . . with his daughter in the front seat next to her?  It happened earlier this year.  She was released on $30,000 bail!  That's what a man's life is worth!  And then on top of that, this country had a debate on whether she was right to do what she did!

Shafty7 12 Reviews 2410 reads
posted
13 / 15

Are you telling me that you would call FINLAND to verify employment? Suppose the guy said he hadn't been with a provider before? Should all first timers be turned away? Besides, most psychos have jobs, Lee Harvey Oswald anyone. Check in calls are only a deterrent if you plan to GET AWAY with a crime, not if you plan to wait for the police at the scene.

mirthfulgirth 2750 reads
posted
14 / 15

it could be a marketing coup for Mercedes.

Rebel Yell 2 Reviews 3381 reads
posted
15 / 15

Lets face it, it is a risky biz. Even with that bouncer just outside, a maniac client can brake a neck in one second, plus on an outcall, have a gun also to take care of all. Screening is important, but one cannot get too nosey.

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