Am I bad?

I heard Hustler and Skin magazines have the photos and are ready to print.

Comments?

Yes, you are SNA! You should be ashamed of yourself!
But if you get the pics, pass them on.

Hustler mag to run topless pics in February 2004 issue

http://www.nydailynews.com/11-11-2003/front/story/135799p-120870c.html

Now a young girl from the country can join the army, get captured and raped, come back to a hero's welcome, and get a nice contract to show her tits in Hustler.  Can a porn career be far behind?  Will we get a chance to see her reinact her torture and rape so we can get a real "sense of history" and masturbate at the same time?  It's so tacky that it's really funny.  

Perhaps we can offer this opportunity to other POWs.  John McLain might want to pose nude for Women's Day and Jessica could run for the Senate.

Don't ever tell me this isn't still a man's world, 100%.  There's a lot of bitching about feminists and how they've changed society, but the proof is in the pudding.  Do you really need to see another pair of tits that bad?  Nobody's got any outrage about the insult to the American military?

-Anya

Yoe people make me so sick i want to puke talking about lynch like that. that girl risked her life for your freedom i know she did not fight back but while you wimps were sitting at home she was fighting for her life.
i am not a big fan  of lynch but i am a patriot

remember people like her fighting for your freedom

I have to agree with Kosher on this. Guys we have all the porn sites in the world. Why crave to see a POW topless??
I also have to critisize MS Lynch..What the fuck are you thinking?? Why pose nude? You have a chance to be a bigger role model for girls than brittany, madonna, or many other overglorified female performers. So you decide to be another needy of the public to see me type. You'll make all the money you need from interviews and book deals. Simply another whore selling out for the six figures. I'm ashamed.
Also the picture with miss lynch , the black soldier girl,i think her name is toshana?? Aanyways their both posing with britany as woman of the year or whatever the award is. Someone needs to kick britanny the hell out. She pales in comparison to these brave girls. Send miss spears to Iraq for a few months. Then she can stand with the true heroes.

Thanks to Anya for being willing to stand up and speak her mind openly.  I agree that we don't need to look at another set of tits, especially on photos that were not meant for general public viewing.  If I read the article correctly, these photos were taken before Jessica went to war and were not posed for Larry Flynt's publication.  She is not going to benefit financially from these photos being published.

Who I am most upset about are the ones who sold the photos to Hustler.  They are taking advantage of the circumstances and are the ones benefitting financially.  The ones that buy the magazine to see Jessica topless are also to blame for enabling magazines like Hustler to prey on the victims.

Happy Veterans Day!

She didn't actually "pose"... evidently she was cavorting topless with a couple of male soldiers when there was a camera present.

Not sure how to explain THAT (army life hijinks, I guess) but it wasn't deliberate posing.

O.

Somebody ought to find the person that IS getting the benefit and kick his/her ass.  Perhaps there are some self respecting marines out there that can make their life "difficult".

...crap on Veteran's Day too--that shows a total lack of class!!

IMHO, Jessica Lynch was a Patriot, and someone who has paid a high personal price for her service to this country.  As such, I feel for her, and I would not wish to see her exploited.

But she already HAS been shamelessly exploited, by our military, and the PR machine of the Bush administration, and by the popular media.  And she and her family certainly let it happen.  Once that was done, this genie cannot be put back into the bottle.  While I don't for a moment think that Larry Flynt's motives are anything other than cynical greed, there is actually some significant political and social value to seeing these photos.  And that is that the hypocrisy surrounding her initial deification by the Bush Administration's PR machine get's put up to the light of day.  I see nothing different in her being exploited for prurient interests than in her being exploited by our Government's PR machine to hype the "superiority of the American way of life, as opposed to a nation of barbaric towel heads" (not my viewpoint, rather the message behind the govt PR).  This was the initial intent of our government's exploitation of Lynch.  To me, that is AT LEAST as pornographic as some topless shots of Lynch cavorting with her GI Joe buddies.  As simple folk, she and her family may not see it that way, but it is clearly the case.

Unfortunately, Lynch is now a symbol in the public domain.  It was the U.S. Government that put her there.  And as such, her topless shots are fair game.

she was a scape-goat in that war.  She didn't earn anything and she knows it.

Shaye

Then who should enter the military?  Only the 2nd born sons of rich aristocrats that can't inherit their father's land?  Come on.  We have a citizen army now and we have for quite some time.  There is a certain quid pro quo in trying to have an effective, staffed military when most people can earn more as a phone tech operator then they can in any of our armed services.

Jessica Lynch isn't a hero, she fully admits that.  But in my opinion, she and all of the others who serve in the military honorably are to be given credit for their sacrifice - either fully realized in places like Iraq and Somalia or the potnetial for sacrafice.

I didn't enter the military breaking somewhat of a tradition in my family.  My younger brother is in Iraq now - not because he wants to be a soldier - but b/c he thought the military was his best option for giving himself a better a life.  He'd be better suited working stateside than with a rifle in a foreign land.  He isn't much different than Jessica Lynch and while I'd rather he were home and safe he does have business in the military.  He like Lynch is in the business of carrying out his orders to the best of his ability in pursuit of the objectives of our government on behalf of the citizenry.

This board is all about discussion and usually frivolity and everyone has the right to post how they chose but I personally am offended by those of you that don't respect the sacrifices of every deployed man and woman.

As to Lynch and posing, I don't begrudge her making money if she choses to but I have no desire to see her naked.

As a non veteran and civilian I thank all of those that have sacrificed on our behalf and hope all of you do as well.

i agree with a redsoxfan . everyone has the right tp post here.but some of you speak out of your asses come on jessica paid a high price she went in to the military know that some day she may be called on and she was. The dam media blew this out of wack jessica has already said she is not the hero. and as far as her getting an education there is nothing wrong with that. That is what recruiters use to push enlistment.

while some of you who post here are sitting on your fat asses drinking and eating fine food there are men and women fighting for your freedom they are all heros paying the higest price any one could ask.

some of you here make me sick stop acting like assholes that girl suffered enough half of you wouldn" have the balls to go through what Lynch did.

remember this when you go to sleep tonight there are people all over this world fighting for your freedom.

If you dont have anything intelligent to say dont say anything at all

I remember being called up to go to the middle east and the way not only some of the females but the males where crying. They where scared. I was scared but understood that this is what I signed on for and was willing to do my part. When I tried to explain this to some of them. I got comments like, " I only joined to get an education" etc. I would ask " what do you think all that comabat training was about?" It was truly shocking to me just how many where in huge denial.
I'm not saying Jessica was or wasn't like that but, she did say that she thought that because her position was non combat related. She didn't think anything like this could happen. She also rarely mentions the 11 others who actually gave there lives for their country. To me, they are the real heroes.
I'm thinking it's the government PR machine at work. Bottom line is that she is/was a US  soldier and it is sad how she has been exploited by everyone. She fits the mold, american pie, peaches and cream look, all American girl. The government and the media will always go to any length to serve their purposes.
It's a sad, sad world. We as Americans should stand up and not bite into the propoganda.

Just My Opinion,

Tiffany

The day you get off your fat ass and join the  military, is the day you’ll have earned the right to call Jessica a dork. Until then shut the hell up!

Marcella


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but come on, she should have opened her mouth a lot wider and the government to f$&k off and sue them.

I was going to join the military when I was 18, but instead I found out I was pregnant.

I support our troops! Again, she should make a penny out of it, but I don't think she is hot at all.


Shaye

I  heard the following on the radio today.

While it is true that Larry Flynt DID in fact buy those photos of Jessica, he said he purchased  them specifically to keep them OUT of circulation.

In other words, yes he owns them, but he is NOT going to publish them.

Oh and Marcella,

None of us were there. None of us know the truth... look at how much the government and the world lie!

"while some of you who post here are sitting on your fat asses drinking and eating fine food there are men and women fighting for your freedom they are all heros paying the higest price any one could ask."

I do appreciate the efforts of the men and women in the armed forces, but regarding this particular incursion, don't spout about my freedom. It has nothing to do with it.

Every kid that comes back maimed or in a box are the victims of the exaggerations of this administration...WMD, Axis of Evil, my ass.

No doubt after seeing which way the public opinion was swaying, he simply decided to spin it as his good deed for the day.  Flynt is a cynical greedy pig.  He is only afraid that the resultant boycotts that he might see would outweigh any sales he might gain from publishing them.

But let's be clear;  Publishing her nude photos cavorting with some male GIs would not begin to exploit Jessica Lynch anywhere NEAR the degree to which she has already been exploited by our own government.

This isn't about "our freedom," it's about a deranged cowboy who's being led around the corral by the likes of Cheney et al.

Vietnam vet
(who sees another one approaching--the stupid bastards never learn)

P.s. I think Jessica is kinda cute in a girl-next-door kind of way. But I wouldn't be interested in seeing her nude.  I'm pleasantly surprised to see Larry Flynt decide to the "the right thing."

P.p.s. Geez, lighten up on Shaye, you flag-waving pervs.

Crying soldiers?

Come on, everyone. Democracy is supposed to be about voicing your opinion. However, until you've served in the military, don't throw the first stone. She admitted on TV last night that she was scared and that she is not a hero. She's just a kid that thought she could go to war and help her country. A lot of us go into the miitary for many types of reasons, hopefully a part of those are for patriotic reasons, but a small part is for the security and benefits that are offered. Unfortunately, the veterans are losing a lot of benefits right now. Did you know that more than 40,000 veterans are still waiting to get into a clinic at the Phoenix VA hospital? That's right! It's easy for a lot of people to say "she's a dork" or "I don't think she's hot."  Give me a break!  What's the real issue here? Some of you people sound like children. No one knows what it's like until you've actually been there/done it. Have you ever been shot at by middle-eastern thugs who think nothing about raping a woman and no regard for life? Some of these Iraqi soldiers are willing to commit suicide just so their families can profit from it and so they'll receive many virgins when they meet Mohammad in their type of Heaven. By the way, what's the attraction with so many virgins? Anyway, I have read several books on the subject matter and have been to fight in Saudi, so until you've walked a mile in her shoes, don't blame her for what the media has done to glorify her as a hero. Actually, it was the media who first glorified it, so then the heads of state did not want to deny it right away because they felt it would make one of our own (a soldier)look worse in the eyes of the public, and you've just proven them right. It wasn't her fault.  Learn the facts people. Sorry, but I just had to voice my opinion on this one. Let's grow up and leave the poor girl alone.

Hugs,
Ciara

Not to brag, but I'm a highly decorated veteran with many years of experience facing the toughest, riskiest, and often least publicized operations the Army has ever conducted.

I only say this to serve as the backdrop for what I'm about to say...  No matter what sacrifices I, and many of my soldiers made, it still fills me with pride--absolute, outright pride--that I wore the same uniform as Jessica Lynch.

No matter what her motivations, she joined.  No matter what the risks, she went.  No matter how bad the consequences, she perservered.  What more could be asked.

Too much has been made of her motivations, of her being afraid, of her being a non-combatant...

I don't care who you are, or why you're there, or whether you're a hot little cutie.  I don't care if you are brave or scared.  I don't care if you're a truck driver, a cook, or a paratrooper.  If you're willing to pick up your rifle and walk with me, support me, protect me, then you are my brother or sister.  Nothing less.  I'm a soldier too.

Right on!

Hugs,
Ciara

I agree with everything you said, except the part about the media hyping the story, and the government not wanting to contradict it.  That's exactly the opposite of what REALLY happened.   This story, as it first ran, was based entirely on what the government sources CLAIMED happened to her.  THE GOVT. news sources invented the stuff about her fighting off her captors single handedly with her rifle, the GOVT. news sources first claimed that the rescue mission involved a heavy gun battle before she was liberated.  It was only later, after further digging by the media, mostly the BBC, that the degree to which the story of her capture and rescue had been hyped for dramatic purposes by OUR government, which attempted to turn her into a Joan of Arc character.  What Jessica Lynch is, is an American Soldier, who was nearly killed in an ambush, who may or may not have been sexually abused and tortured in captivity, and who clearly has to deal with severe physical and emotional trauma from her experiences, which occurred during her service on behalf of her country and mine.  In addition to her trauma, she has been exploited by our Government for it's own propaganda purposes.

SHE PERSONALLY, is completely worthy of our gratitude for that service, and all the support that she can be given during her physical and emotional recovery.  To the extent that our own government's exploitation of her interferes with that, we should all be ashamed.  And if even a lowlife like Larry Flynt can realize that it is time to stop exploiting her and move on to giving her the support she deserves, then I think that the rest of us should as well.

Nicely said, but how do you know that the government fed the story to the media except what you've heard from news sources on TV? Just curious. I'm a journalist, myself, and I have friends over there. And, although I sometimes take the side of the journalist and not the government, I have to say that both were to blame. A slight mention by an army bystander to a journalist and "boom" there's a story, and then the military/government doesn't break it down correctly. Either way, the poor girl didn't get a chance, at first, to tell her story. I hope she can forget about the other part of her capture -- she's not even sure if the rape incident happened. Again, that could have been a real situation or hype in order to promote hate toward the enemy.

Hugs,
Ciara

NOBODY in the media had access to the initial story EXCEPT for what the government spokespeople told them about it.  Nobody in the press accompanied the rescue mission.  Most news from Iraq has been a combination of the pool reporters and the government information releases.  But in the early days right after the Lynch rescue, the ONLY primary source was the government.  It was only weeks afterward that the media even had a chance to start interviewing those involved to try to piece this story together factually.  It was then that the BBC first ran a story claiming that some of the Lynch rescue story was fiction, (In particular, the story about her fighting off the enemy with her rifle - which she denies - and about there being major fire fighting during the rescue, which now everyone involved admits was made up.  This info came out only weeks later, when the media had a chance to actually speak to the people involved.  It is now common knowledge among the media that this is what happened.

The story as it first broke was staged as a George Bush election commercial.  There WERE no journalists on site to report what happened, so they HAD to take the initial govt. spokesperson's account at face value for many days.   Open your eyes, wake up, and smell the coffee.

Well, excuse the heck out of me! I believe my eyes are wide open, dear. I really enjoyed reading everything you said until I got to the last sentence. You'll have to excuse me but I've been up for about 48 hours now and didn't find it amusing. If you're going to debate an issue, do it with grace. I also have some more information on the issue but at this point do not care to inform you of the latest data from my journalism friends (who happen to be over there, unlike us here) because you seem to know all the answers. I do not like rude comments. I'm an intelligent person, like yourself (or so I'm guessing), so please do not patronize me with such unclever, overused quotes.  "You need to wake up and smell the roses."

Ci Ci

The fact is, it's not in dispute any more.  Everyone in the media KNOWS that they were fed a hyped up story initially by the government.  Even Ms. Lynch herself has disputed much of it (at least the part about firing her own gun, and the troops having to shoot their way out once she was recovered).  I simply don't see what you're arguing about.   NOBODY from the media was there at that stage.  They had no choice but to run with what the govt. spokespeople gave them at the time.  And much of that has now incontrovertably been shown to be made up hype.  Look, if you wish to believe in propaganda, that's your own business.  But even the govt. no longer stands by the story that they dished our at the time, because they didn't want to be seen to contradict Lynch's own account.  But before she was able to give her own account, they had no problem making up the facts as they saw fit and presenting them to the media.  But really could care less if I convince you.  You are apparently TOO close to it to see the big picture.

I didn't say that the government had nothing to do with it. I merely stated that the media did not help by glorifying the story and, as a journalist, I know this can happen. You're right about the government being partially to blame. They usually are. I think this discussion has gotten out of hand, but I do have friends over there that also give a different story. You say not to believe in propaganda, but you're believing everything the news is feeding you, too. You just don't want to see someone else's side. Jessica was in such pain, she doesn't remember much of the governement or media's handling of the situation, just what she did in the "supposedly" firefight situation. You don't have to try to convince me. As I see it, the governement and media are both to blame, but give up on it. This happens daily with both institutions.

Hugs,
Ciara