I'm traveling soon and will seek out a provider.  If she wants to verify my hotel I probably will find someone else because I like using aliases and don't want to give up my real identity.  I've never used providers out of town before and am wondering if they will do that or not.

Any advice on how to deal with this is appreciated.  

Thanks!

as a provider unless I have already seen u, no way am I gonna drive to a sting, been done in LA & OC in the last coupla years,
do all the initial confirm via e-mail/cell LE does use outta state cell# so don`t wonder why the girls are careful,just might save your ass

OK, here's what you do.  This has always worked for me.
First thing when you get to the room, call the front desk and tell them that you are expecting a friend and you want them to be able to pick up a key with no hassle in the event you aren't in the room when they arrive.  Tell the front desk clerk that you want to add their name to the hotel register. They will do that.  Then, use that alias when you speak to the provider. She will call back to the room and be connected.  When she arrives and if she asks for your drivers license, tell her that you have placed your wallet in the hotle safe deposit box for safety reasons. Then show her your pecker.  Either gently take her hand and place it on yourself or pull it out and show it to her.  She will then know you aren't a cop.
I'm sure that we can agree that the girls real identity is important to them, just as your's is. Flame away.

Due to the problem of police stings which are usually conducted at hotels, I will only go to a hotel if I have been contacted by the client before arriving in LA and if I may call him at work.

Otherwise, if you are at a hotel, I need to call you in your room and then I can have you come to my home.

Personally I would never go to a hotel without knowing as certain as I can that you are not LE.
I just won't take that risk, but believe me, I am worth the hoops you must jump through.

Of course, once we are friends, there is no problem going to you at a hotel.


Talisa

You trust someone with your health - a stranger who you are going to exchange various body fluids for an hour or more. You trust that this person isn't going to purposely infect you, try to rob you, etc. But you can't show your ID to ease her mind to make HER more relaxed during the session? I mean assuming she's not making a photocopy of it - just LOOKING at it for 10 seconds?

And BTW, cops can pull out their penis and stroke it. Cops can also have sex with a girl first, then bust her. Cops can have sex the first visit to gain trust, then come back the second time and bust the girl. It's been done. Cops can do whatever they want and say whatever they want. Maybe they're not "supposed" to, but they do. Who is going to be believed if there are different versions of what happened? The girl? Or the cop?

To Too Much fun.... if this waS legit info why shoot yourself in the foot by giving it away to LE by way of this board?

Your way wont work much longer I guarantee.



-- Modified on 5/4/2002 11:47:20 PM

Well first of all, make no mistake about it ... I have great respect for the women in this industry.  I also respect my privacy and the need for not having my real ID discovered by LE reviewing some providers little black book, after an arrest.
Also, my way of doing things is not some very sophisticated way of doing things ... any LE could think of the same method (not too sophisticated) and do the same thing.
Regarding a LE revealing himself to you, sleeping with you and THEN busting, this is ridiculous, no prosecutor would take that case, they'd never obtain a conviction.
I'll tell you what I have done in the past ... I have said to the provider, "You show me your real name and I'll show you mine"
I understand that this all seems disrespectful, that is not my intention. And I want them to be comfortable when they meet someone. It's just that any man in this hobby sees many different providers and all are not to be trusted, or perhaps there procedures for safe guarding ID's isn't up to par. Peace.


-- Modified on 5/6/2002 5:22:18 PM

There`s no doubt you have respect for women that`s obvious in your posts,since I will only see some-one in a 5 star hotel and want to confirm the person is there,unless I give the guests name they won`t connect to the room, keep a black book?never....
stick to little tacky bits of paper and a shredder,leave no evidence.May be off topic but wth...we are all so antsy re LE yet with all the reports of rip-offs reported here and other boards,doesn`t seem LE is at ALL interested in the criminal element that feeds off this activity being illegal.

My Dear Too Much Fun.

I was concerned with your idea of a woman feeling safe that if a man shows his "ahem" then all is well. Heck, I love looking at it, and then some, but showing it doesnt prove a damn thing.  I realize that some clients still believe that, and I must say, times have changed....

WE certainly ARE in the jungle.  I see your point more clearly after your last post.  

We ladies face the dichotomy of giving our websites with (in varying degrees) all info, rates, faces, et al, having reviews, all to let you know of our credibility.  You find as a seasoned hobbyist that yes, consistency on our part, mostly by reviews, is some mark of credibility.  Yet, i often see that this isnt enough for the men in many cases.

You COULD choose a well reviewed lady,eliminating all this anxiety,  but knowing the nature of attraction and the birds and the bees, a man is often going to venture after the siren and then get eaten.  (If you are a gent who sees well known ladies with established reps, I doubt we'd be having this conversation, or would we?) Or are you perhaps indicating that you dont trust reviews?

I think that you have more justification ID'ing someone who might be an agency scam, and strictly outcall, as you cannot find another way to hold her accountable (Accountability is the reason that many ladies screen the men), BUT I seriously doubt you will have much luck.  i do let some men know my real identity, but that at that point they have been screened to my comfort level, as they now know almost everything about me - photographic evidence, reviews, location (if incall) and at point, real name is the last bastion to a surefire id'ing in case of a bust.

My expertise in the area of your question 9strictly outcall with unknown ladies) is quite limited, so with all due respect, I will not advise.

I sincerely wish you the best, and hope to know how things turn out in that arena.

Cheers.

-- Modified on 5/6/2002 7:42:47 AM

Rammer

If your trip is taking you to Southern California you may want to forget making any appointments.  As Deevyn suggests LE has been very active lately.  Also if she wants to verify your personal information you may find your review posted on the internet.  There have been reviews of clients posted on TBD by providers in the Southern California area.  If in doubt ask G-Spot or Dateaman.  There is a lot of discussion of this problem on the Los Angeles Board.  No matter whether she is well reviewed or not she may post your personal information on the bulletin board.  No way to know.  Since TBD is a national board this problem may appear elsewhere also.  No matter what you do you will be running a risk of being busted or being exposed.

Oh yes, cops are paragons of virtue. When those good narcotic officers make a large drug bust they ALWAYS turn in all the kilos of cocaine and the hundreds of thousands of dollars as "evidence". Or do they maybe pinch a kilo and several g's?
Cops, in general, are MEN. Men have dicks. They also are human, which means they have faults. Male cops are not immune to the urges that all you men have. Sometimes they have their fun first, then bust. Showing your penis proves nothing. Taking her hand and putting it on your penis proves nothing. What are you talking about - no prosecutor will take that case? Whose version of events are likely to be believed?

As for the little black book, how is showing your ID to her at the door going to get you in a little black book? Wouldn't she need to actually have a pen and paper to WRITE down your license number next to your name - or are you assuming we all have photographic memories?

As for showing you my ID, that's fine with me. I'll be glad to show you my driver's license long enough to verify it's me - or to any client who asks. I use my real name, I do incall only out of my home. Then again, I only do fbsm, only see perhaps 4-6 clients a week, and I screen my clients carefully so letting them come over in the first place is a show of trust.

Dear Dr Commonsense

TBD's board is nothing like the LA threads indicated.  I went and checked, since I, out of necessity had to post a warning about someone. The real info is not posted - only enough for the sake of recognition in the case the lady is contacted.

Secondly, in the cases where men bash the board mentioned, I would be careful of the source and their real reasons for saying these things.

I wish that TER had a board for the ladies, but if the badclientlist.com and the TBD boards are the only ones around, any smart lady will use what info she can to protect herself. In any case, there is a certain amount of trust to be given on both sides of an encounter, and if anyone is uncomfortable they either should find someone or some way to be comfortable or just not be involved in this  hobby.

-- Modified on 5/6/2002 1:02:56 PM

Dear Girly Girl

You may be correct with your comment about men bashing the board.  I do not know whether Dateaman actually saw the board as he claimed or not.  The veracity of the Wilt Chamberlain of TER has been called into question before and he has not shown any examples of what he saw.

However several providers in the same thread also claimed that the board contained much more personal information than you have stated such as real names, telephone numbers, etc.

I can't think of a good reason why they would lie about those items being on the board.  I can think of a number of reasons why a provider would deny that personal information was being posted on the board even if the board had all sorts of personal information on it.

It reminds me of the number of ladies who have publicly stated that they do not keep little black books or the computer equivalent of clients.  I am sure some do not.  I have yet to see any provider admit that she keeps a little black book on clients. I know from experience that a number do.

This board as described by providers other than yourself sounds like a little black book on the internet.  

I have changed my patterns so that I have become more comfortable with what I am doing in this hobby.

In the spirit of fair play I am sure that if we find that you have misled us regarding this board, you would not have a problem with us posting your real name, home phone number and home address on this board.  

If the above makes you uncomfortable maybe you should find a new way to make a living.

Flame away Lil Darling.

On ANY level the risks provider and hobbyist take are the same... and it is not so.

You are not taking the risk that the lovely 125 lb lady you just walked into a room with (or even me, at 175 lbs!) is going to beat you up... rape you... stalk you... or hey, let's go all the way... KILL you. You are not taking that risk! You are not taking the risk that you might be held down and forced to engage in risky sex minus condoms and possibly contract HIV or get pregnant.  You're just NOT!  You are able to eliminate even the small CHANCE that the lady might have a bodyguard there to beat you up by utilizing the many boards and reviews available on the web, something we cannot do for you.  

Trying to put us on equal footing is a noble effort and one which I appreciate... and I do understand your concerns for privacy!  But we are not, and never will be, on equal footing. I can tell you that if someone tried to harm me, they'd have more of a battle on their hands then they may have anticipated... but if some man happens to be on top of me and decides to strangle me, think I'll be able to do anything about it???? Really, truly, honestly???

This is without even mentioning (well, I am now) the fact that your risk of LE is far lower than ours... because it is my experience and this seems fairly consistent nationwide that LE is much more likely to go after the ladies, then they are to go after the gents, except on the street.  

If you tried that "tell me your name, I'll tell you mine," the next thing you'd see would be my back as I walked away.  Or escorted you from my hotel room, whichever

That said, I will tell you that I prefer a SOLID verifiable reference from a provider that I know is trustworthy, over your personal info, any day. You know what's ironic? LOL I recently changed my screening requirements on my site to say that I prefer good references over work info... and guess what??? All I've gotten since I did that is tons of work info... which before I couldn't pry out of anyone with a crowbar. =:O Must be a Murphy's Law kind of thing.

This screening debate is NEVER going to die, it just pops up over and over again every month or so... cyclic, I think. My advice to all of you gents is that you research any lady you are thinking of seeing as far back as possible to see what her track record is like. If any of us were ever indiscreet with information provided to us by a client, it'd take about .05 seconds for it to hit the boards and for our reputations to be destroyed.

(Blackmail??? Oh lord! How EASY would it be to make an anonymous phone call to turn that nasty woman in to the cops??? HOW EASY? Please don't cry blackmail. Anyone with any balls can call that bluff so fast it'd make the idiot who tried it's head spin!)

BTW at most hotels if you leave an envelope for someone at the desk, it has to have their real name on it and they have to show ID to pick it up... so that wouldn't work either. References! Your key to the kingdom

Hugs*
Nicole

His little head and simply *has* to see if the actual girl manages that adorable stock photo the agency has up on their site... and allows an unknown entity into his life who has no reputation, no credibility, no accountability because she can change her name any ol' day and that photo isn't her anyways... well then that's his choice to take that chance isn't it?

I'd be more concerned about her snagging your wallet than I would with her glancing at your ID when she comes in.

You guys have the option of protecting yourselves from that kind of crap. And vice versa we have the option to do the BEST WE CAN to protect ourselves. Nothing is 100%, all we can do is reduce our risks, but it is our job to do that. It's no different from driving with a seat belt on to reduce the risks that you'll die in a car crash.

I had a regular who got impatient for me once when I was out of town, called an agency, and got ripped off... I felt sorry for him but at the same time like... WHY would you be so stupid???? He was not new to the 'biz, he knew better. Little heads... tsk!

And thank you for pointing out that what is shown or not shown or done or not done, doesn't prove a damn thing. Bottom line is if *they* wanna get you, they will, no matter what. We can do our best to reduce those odds... but our best is all we can do.

Hugs*
Nicole