Why do so many of you guys marry over bearing, naggy, fat, unattractive women?  I was just doing some holiday shopping, and all day long, I saw these guys being dragged around by their wives who are yelling and fussing and complaining. It's like "Bob, what do you think of that?  Bob, what do you think of this?  Bob, come here.  Bob, go do this."  It gave me a headache and I'm not even married to them.   I'm starting to understand why some of you hobby.  But seriously, why do so many men settle.  I could maybe see if if she was hot, then putting up with some shit might make sense.  But these women aren't even.

Those ladies were probably gorgeous. In due time these ladies lost their looks. So now they're bitchy and crabby to their husbands. Just my opinion. I've never been Married.

when we are in Florida next year..............just an FYI some men actually LIKE plus size women and looks are subjective, because someday we will ALL be old and unattractive per say, and the fact that she was asking his opinion on stuff sounds pretty cool to me, i actually enjoy getting my husbands opinion when we are shopping, i dont consider it nagging...........so glad to know who the "ugly" people are in this world known as hobbying......oh and by the way i AM one of those fat wives.....but im fucking hot!!!!  

Which is like an in real life 4 or 5. See the point I am making toots?

1. Her father is worth megabucks and some day she'll inherit her share
2. She wears [a clothing fetish] in a way no former girlfriend ever did
3. She allows me [a favorite sex act] as I never got it before
4. She cooks fabulous gourmet meals that satisfy my epicurean desires
5. She shares my weakness for [booze/wine/psychoactive substance]
6. I accidentally knocked her up and didn't run away afterwards

...with his supposition. Having been married, she wasn't fat, prone to nagging or uninterested in sex during the early years. After two kids and the havoc wreaked upon her body by those pregnancies (of course, she didn't exercise, eat right, etc.), yep -- an additional 75 pounds turned her former dancer's body into a couch potato's body. No interest in sex and, to be perfectly honest, I wasn't interested in having sex with her in that state.  

1) Why is divorce so expensive?  Because it's worth it.
2) Why do men usually die before their wives?  They want to.

Excited to see some of these comments....waiting to pull the trigger.

Now divorced. I  bought into the white picket fence thing. Really didn't want to get married  but that was expected. My ex was and is for her age pretty. However to expect 2 people to grow, mature and not grow apart over that many years is unlikely.  Throw in resentment and the whole concept of marriage seems goofy.

People change.

search you tube for 'marry ugly girl'

Agree with you TOTALLY! For someone (not so hott cheese) who post this is just plain ugly.  

Not just changed physically but also emotionally as well as personality. Some a little some a lot. Safe to say no woman stays the same after marriage.

a few FAT girls in school, maybe one or two. The majority of girls were normal.  Today, high schools and colleges are loaded with plus sized bitches who actually think they are attractive. Our boys are being confused.  They get horney and will fuck anything in their path.  Being young and stupid, they end up married and screwed for life.  One more thing.  Just because you have a baby is not license to put on 50 pounds for life.

When dating and first getting married they need to impress. As time goes on they stop caring how they look and realize half of what you own is theirs. Imagine Sam Kinison as your wife.

To have children....and as most women go thru changes with childbearing.  However, all the nagging, IMO, comes with being around any woman for a long time.  One reason for initially dating my wife, we were both athletes, and thought ahead about offspring.  If you saw her today, you would think otherwise.  I also waited till early 30's to marry, to make certain I was making the right decision.  Coming home everyday to an empty house got old also.....Just my story, and I'm sure there are many different

A truly happy woman is a rare treasure.  But generally they will conceal their unhappiness or perhaps while in the courtship phase they are actually happy.  But it won't last.   When you first started out, they saw potential in you, they had plans to remake you into the man they really wanted.  But you know that never really happens, no one really changes.  So it just becomes a habit to scold, nag, badger.   Guys just take it because there really aren't alternatives.  The next blushing bride is a few years away from being the next Mrs Ballbuster.   Also men get divorce raped, so avoiding late life poverty is another reason to keep the missus around.  More than 70% of divorces are initiated by women, so you know which direction the payoff goes.

Actually my wife was a sizzling hot blue eye perfect nod blond when we married....land pretty much the same today.
My question is why do dudes still book ladies with mediocre reviews and 7/7 scores ?

My wife was like a model. She gained the weight over the years went from 135 to 310. She was forced to loose the weight after going through cancer treatment. She is now back down to 210. Woman can be bossy at times with the questioning, just a fact of life.

A better question would be what is the available pool of woman where they are?  Where are they geographically and what are venues where desirable woman dwell? Also what is the concentration of women where they live? These are all questions that you should ask because that will tell you what is available to them.  It will also tell you the places that many eligible bachelorette might be and the networks that those men have.  Finally would they find these women primarily on the job, through church groups and would they know of any social groups where eligible and desirable bachelorette would hang out?  Finally I am also thinking of the Machiavellian principle of familiarity breeds contempt.  Considering that they have been an item for so long, they know when the whining and nagging starts because they have satiated their needs for so long.   Henceforth so they can coexist they go out and participate in these and other activities to keep their sanity and hopefully prolong their relationships while getting their needs met.

You don't know their story so why judge and especially demean other women for being "fat and ugly"?  Well I will not doubt that some of these women are just horrible to be around (as my step mom fits that description exactly) the holidays are rough on everyone so tempers are going to fly.  As for the fat part well that happens...Women get pregnant, gain weight and get pregnant again and gain some more weight and then become so weighed down by life that they cease to care about what they look like.  

ROTFL stuca - And I've seen some really hot women who have had two kids and still have a flat belly and don't nag constantly.  It may be a Florida thing.  IDK  I'm not from here.  lol

She had a coat that she wore that I teased her about and called her "pregnant coat" because that was exactly how it made her look.  5 months along.
She wasn't ugly, she was/is a sweet person.  I fell in love with her because she was my friend for years before we dated and once we started dating I realized that despite her body shape, she was the best lay I had ever had.  (And at that point I had been a "hobbyist" (though I didnt know the term at the time) for over 10 years.)  To this day she gives the absolute BEST BBBJCIMNQNS I have EVER received.  Unfortunately, she has a low libido.  Sex is great when she/we have it, mind blowing even.  It just happens so infrequently that I feel I still need to see providers to supplement.
She is still my best friend, and despite her ballooning up to 185 (at 5'3"), she still gives the best head ever, when she bothers.  Plus we have kids, property, etc. That makes it cheaper to keep her. When the fat bothers me too much, I see a provider.  When I have no sex for a month, provider.  I stay because I still love her, just not her weight or lack of sexuality.

My regular provider told me at our last date that 95% of her clients are married businessmen, 95%!! She loses only 5% to attrition/turnover because of her high standards of caution, discretion and security.  My ex gf, now a good friend tells me that 60%!! of her married gf`s at work cheat on their husbands. The common denominator here is pretty obvious.
What`s the glue that holds these marriages together? Kids, high cost of divorce, companionship etc.? What is the acid that erodes and dissolves them ?
I`m a single senior who loves being single. I can come and go as I please etc. etc. Downside of this for me is loneliness. Yeah, I admit it. Seeing a provider/s helps big time, the down n dirty sex, affection, friendship, laughter and bonding (not a bad deal when you think about it, right?) but when the hour is up it`s back to reality with some afterglow. I`ll take it, it`ll have to do for now. No doubt I`m in a happier place than some of my friends both male and female. Most of them can`t get out of their marriages and are totally in agreement with my hobbying and want to hear all about it with the juicy details. Others admonish me for it saying that I`m kidding myself, it`s not a real relationship, it`s not real love, it`s immoral etc. Common denominator here is that both sides want out of their marriages.......... Nope, I`ll stand pat and  play my hand.

That's half the problem.

Q:   Why do men often die before their wives?

Nawwww, I'm not buying your bs.
I've seen Brie when she lived here in CA.
She's sweet, nice, extremely fit!
She asked a legit question.
Sounds like your attitude is simply because you're the kind of woman she mentioned.
Didn't hear you say anything about treating the ole hubby better, did I

People from when they first got married to years later, change. We all do. For better or for worse. And love, a relationship, marriage, is more than just looks. Sure plenty of people are in bad ones but others aren't. Clients have all different reasons for being clients. It's not so black and white as some may think.  

When we met in 1968, my ex was really hot: long slender legs, gorgeous face, generous breasts, curvy waist and hips. She kept that for just a few years, then started to gain weight. I didn't like that she was gaining weight, but it never stopped me from loving her.

Is that most guys are too timid to trade up when, and if, things go South.  My wife was 5-2 and 104 when I married her, and 106  20 years later when she passed away.  She stayed trim and hot because she know if she didn't, she would become my ex-wife.  Wives get fat because their husbands tolerate it.  Of course, men have to keep themselves in shape, too, as the quid pro quo for expecting her to remain hot.   I never had to hobby or cheat during those 20 years.  I wasn't going to sweat her over the two pounds.  As far as hobbying, it may LOOK like I'm making up for it now, but has nothing to do with her looks.

when I met my wife, she could have made Kate Upton run home crying that she was ugly. I married way way way out of my league.  She did gain weight into her fifties, but it was a direct result of several accidents.  A broken leg (green stick fracture), a shattered kneecap (8 pieces) and then an auto wreck that splayed her ankle open like a flounder (we really thought she was going to lose her foot). All this over just 5 years.  In fact, just after getting the pin out of her knee (a year after that accident) she started running again and got back down to less than 130lbs.  Not bad for close to 50.  Then the wreck and the continuous pain afterward.   She was very stoic and really never complained, but you could see if she was on her feet for a long time, it swell up.  She wasn't a nag, etc., etc., but we did grow apart. And in a totally fucked up decision, I started hobbying and once found out lost my family.

Actually I have to agree with the OP.

Ouch! Sad story Scb. None of my/our business but just curious as to how you got outed.

and maybe 125-130 when I divorced her. Not morbidly obese by any stretch of the imagination, but mentally and especially in her attitude she had aged 20 years in about our last two years together. I was too young to be old (still am) so I bought my freedom. Best money I ever spent.

Spot on, Breanna.  People don't put enough thought into having kids.  Also, one cause of the problem of climate change and pollution is...overpopulation!  People need to stop popping out babies, or the entire planet is going to die.  I'm no hypocrite; my ex-wife and I took custody of her niece when we were married, and that is my daughter.  I'm not responsible for her being here, I didn't add to the global population, but I still had a daughter.  People should REALLY consider adoption if they want kids.  Besides the overpopulation problem, there are simply too many children out there who are unwanted by their parents.

in your case it's "wishful thinking" lol

However that is not the main reason I recommend to seriously reconsider reproducing.  I definitely think that should be put into consideration looking at the bigger picture as people seem to be rewarded for having a lot of kids.

“Husbands are like linoleum. If laid right the first time, you can walk all over them for the next 20 years.”

dating women over 40.  However, I will admit to dating a few Asian women just north of 40 that can still pass for under 30.  Otherwise, like you, no sexual attraction for me.

It was a very pleasant surprise in one case.

Also, Men marry women thinking they will never change and woman marry men thinking they will change them.  Both are soon disappointed.

I've asked myself that very question hundreds of times.

Why didn't you take the car keys away after the first accident?

But they choose to stay.

Dude, my hubby is WELL taken care of and treated great, we dont argue and get along great, he has NO complaints.......other than we havent been able to hobby as much as we would like, so YOUR argument is invalid......  

first off....i AM hotttttt, just a plus sized hot!!! and VERY proud of my looks.......second looks ARE subjective, if someone is "unatractive" when they got married, clearly the other person found something OTHER than looks that they loved about that person, and third why is asking your husband an opinion or asking them to do or get something considered nagging as the OP states, some men appreciate being asked for help, and being helpful.......i value my husbands opinion over anyone elses.......and as far as why men dont just leave, some men love their wives and dont find them a chore.   life is too short to be hateful to and about people.

How the hell do you know, clown?
I've seen her in person multiple times.  
That body is a 10...flat out.  
She's a pretty petite blonde.

She threw down first by calling others unattractive, Tubby. Look at her scores for looks. Look at my "likes." I win. Now scoot.

Scoot this, sport.
I don't give a damn about her scores  
I've seen her.  
You, on the other hand, are just talking out your azzz just to hear yourself talk.
And yes, she started a topic.
Guess it hit home with you? Wife/gf kind of fat n ugly?
I'd suspect that's the case.

CDL and I are definitely in the minority where it comes to "old broads" If you read the posts here and the regional boards you will find "most" of the guys here prefer the more "mature" ladies over the young ones that I prefer.  

Quite the mental midget I see. No need to keep reminding us you have bad taste. We get the picture. You are in love. Just say that upfront next time, gargoyle. Go home jagoff.

and please keep in mind, I am one of the few NOT blasting her for her OP. I actually agree with her post, but PUHLEASE, Strangebrew is correct. a TER 7 is more like a 4 or 5 IRL.

It's called a vasectomy.  I had one at age 25.

...but we've rarely been the perfect gentlemen we are with great providers 24/7, and we certainly didn't know how to treat a woman right before we married the bear.  So if you are gentle, friendly, toned, lusty and gorgeous, or even two of those, you wouldn't marry us in the first place!

Pretty simple: I don't like tats.  
Have said many times on many threads.

Was wondering just how stupid you are.  
Good news!! I don't have to wonder any longer.  
You're sitting on your brains and can't spell class and distinction.  
Stick with the street walkers I'm sure they're more your style.

I meant easily accessible and inexpensive birth control.  Don't you need a legit reason to have a vasectomy?  My friend got one at age 25 as well but it was because his ex wife had a medical condition where pregnancy would threaten her life.

But your utter tool baggery has forced me.

When I want advice from you, clown, I'll be sure to knock on your wooden head.  
The girl's body is a Ten.
She's a triathlete and it shows.  
I don't like tats...that's pretty clear.
If you can't understand that then just STFU and let us be unclear how stupid you are.  
If you look at my reviews I don't dish out 9s and 10s  
Not my style.

Well said, Russ

A TER 7 is like a four or five IRL.  

He is now up to 20 likes. Point made. But you will argue this to death bc you don't understand how people reacted negatively to this girl calling anyone "unattractive" when she is a TER 7, IRL 5.

The nurse did ask me "why" while I was in there, and my response was "The world's too evil."  My vasectomy was done the day after 9/11.  There was no argument to my response.

OK, it's kinda long.....
started out she was on my computer (which was a normal activity) and found 1 porn pic I had buried and forgot about.  Well, that sent her into a tizzie and after a few days apart we made up and I agreed to never look at porn on the computer.  I then went online and cancelled every membership, etc., etc. and bookmark (the bookmarks were on a fake email account).  I was going to be a good boy from then on out as I saw how much just porn upset her and hobbying or not, I DID love her very much.  Well, that night I told her that I "erased" everything so I just couldn't go back.  Well, I thought I did-but must not have-deleted the history.  So, early the next morning she says "Can you come in here please?" and there it was...my history from the day before and she had been through it all.  Not just porn sites but Escort sites.  The yelling and crying started, and like an idiot I went on to work.  She on the other hand went to see a lawyer.   The next couple of weeks were tough, we were separated kinda. I would stay on our boat at night, but come home when she was at work and cook meals, wash clothes, etc.  And once a week we got together to pay bills (she immediately withdrew 50% of our checking and opened her own bank account).  This whole time I am denying any adultery at all.  Saying it was just a way to see cheap porn.  Then the last time she asked me if I said sex with any of those women, instead of just saying NO as I had before, I said something stupid like "I'm not going to admit that" (not exact words)  that I guess was an admission in itself.  She called me later-screaming-that I better get a lawyer quick because she was going to file papers the next day, and ended the conversation with OBTW  Happy Birthday you son of a bitch!!! (yes, it was my birthday).  She drug out the divorce settlement, wanting everything until she met someone she couldn't let get away.  A Captain in the Navy AND a Dentist....cha ching.  So we made a kinda fair deal and it was over.  The worst part is that she showed my son the stuff from the computer and my answers to her lawyers questions (and to this day I have not admitted to using escorts and won't) so he, nor my step daughter, have  spoken to me in over 7 years.  
So if you are married and care even a whit for your wife and family....stop mongering yesterday.

after showing a co-worker a you-tube video of a girl I had been with, his response was.....