Ever stay at a 4 star hotel for a week? The ladies have to eat too and the dining expenses can get pretty high. Also the ladies may have families or pets that need care.

Touring means that provider has to book minimum of 4 appointments a day to turn profit.  How many days should she stay in a hotel and receive numerous visitors before she starts attracting attention?

how the fuck is a lady going to pay for her flight, hotel, meals, not to mention her ongoing bills at home on one appointment a day?

Are you seriously out of your fucking mind?

Let's suppose a woman gets five hundred dollars a  session, and she takes a three day tour. Lets call it a grand for airfare, six hundred dollars for a hotel, another six hundred bucks for meals, cabs, incidentals, and the lady is left with a whopping six hundred bucks in profit. Now do the math for a provider who charges $300 hr and she definitely needs four appointments a day to justify the expense.

Not everybody travels like Clark Howard, I know I don't

Plus I have no problem getting the business I need at home

3 day tour math:

1. Airfare plus hotel - 1,000
2. Cabs 300
3. Room service / meals / tips  anywhere from 200 to 500
4. Eros / RS2K / etc  300 - 500

Not having to deal with last moment cancellations and higher LE exposure?  PRICELESS

WHY would I want to do 5-6 appointments just to pay cost of doing business before I will even break even?

but in your case, you might need to rob a bank. lol

but who knows, it might be worth it? lol

When you do ONE, please tell me how it went.

Since you took time to do such detailed analysis of my potential expenses, I will take my time and reply in kind.


1. Airfare  - To offset expenses many providers drive their cars or take a series of smaller flights (i.e. 3 days in NY - 3 days in Philly - 3 days in DC)/ trains reducing airfare costs and travel time.

West coast provider is not going to drive to NYC. New York provider is not going to drive to Chicago.  We are not talking about local tours to Buttfuck Alabama, but rather tours to major metropolitan cities.

2. Hotel - Umm this is a no brainer, but don't you stay in a Hotel or condo even if you aren't traveling?

I offer upscale experience.  Hence, on tour I would go for 4 or 5 star property, while for  personal travel i am perfectly fine with la quinta.

3. Cab fare other than to airport is mainly for Outcalls and it is the reason that Outcalls cost more.  

I don't know how it works in Phoenix, but in my hometown it costs about 40 - 60 dollars to get to an airport.


4. Room Service - Really only necessary if you are booked so solid you can't get a break for lunch.

Room service , lunch in hotel restaurant, lunch in local restaurant - same $

5. Added LE attention = Really if you are only there for 3 days and switch hotels how much attention are you gonna attract? I would guess that 3 men/day to a condo all month long would attract more.

Single female checking into hotel and spending most of the time in said hotel is always going to bring more attention.


My personal policy? I do not tour unless I have an overnight commitment.  When I do, I may or may not post ads in area I am visiting.

Why do so many ladies tour?  Some just prefer to lead nomadic lifestyle, others have to due to over-saturated or under priced local markets.

Why is it that when your touring, u only stay in town for 2-3 days!
Their are ladies i would like to see, but they are here and gone in a flash!!!
Just wondering how you determine your schedule and lenght of stay?
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I have known of one visiting lady who stayed for several weeks. She had a goal set and sent part of her earnings home everyday till she reached her goal. But usually the expenses will cut into her profits if its too long. After all unlike her home area she usually can't wait around for repeat customers when she is paying for room and meals out everyday. So 2 to 3 days gives her the chance to see those who want to see here was able.. Especially if she's like my ATF who wont even go unless she is assured that one or two regulars want to see her, then she knows her expenses are covered and anyone else who she sees is profit. If its someone you want to see contact her and get pre screened and ask to be let known in advance when she will next be in the area. One of the ladies I saw I was in weekly contact with for almost two months before her schedule allowed her to come to my area but she made sure I was booked when she knew she could make it.

I'm in Hawaii, and I can't believe that so many W.Coast providers miss the bet on touring here.  Once you get used to it, the direct flights are little more than a commuter flight.  Hotel deals can be great at certain times of the year, especially if you don't require 4 stars.  Pretty much any hotel in Waikiki is better than low-end motels/hotels elsewhere.  Then there's the advantage of personal party and vacation time in a nice locale.

Fortunately, there are quite a few out-of-town providers that have figured this out and make Hawaii part of their touring schedule.  They do quite well and even end up establishing a regulars list.  Here again, it all comes down to intelligent marketing and preparation.

Moderately high end providers do just fine with two per day, I'm told.  Even one per day can more than break even.

That's a bit optimistic, PanAm.  I've flown to Hawaii a lot and love it.  But last time I checked, the air miles from LAX to Honolulu were nearly identical to the distance from LAX to JFK.  So it's a long haul.  Still, Hawaii is such a great place it's more than worth it.  Especially if you combine it with some vacation time on Maui, Kauai or The Big Island.

If you (a client) know the answer to this question better than we providers, then why even have providers on discussion boards?  Have NO Women Allowed Board and be done with it.


And I never said it is unprofitable.  As a matter of fact, it is extremely lucrative for any provider who either specializes in multi day companionship or is willing to do more than 3-4 dates a day.  

Really good tour requires minimum of 5 dates a day for a provider that specializes in one and two hour dates, or minimum of two overnights for a provider that specializes in long term companionship.

Touring becomes a necessity for some ladies.  Ladies who live in UNDER PRICED or OVER SATURATED markets HAVE to tour.  Then there are ladies who prefer not to work in their home towns. Especially if those home towns have population of 200 people and one dog.

On another hand, there are ladies who live in well priced markets, have enough local work, or have families.  These ladies tour rarely or do not tour at all.  Beauty of this lifestyle is that everyone can do what works for them.

As for my use of alias - as long as i do not use Alias for unwarranted personal attack, I am well justified in its use.  Like any other paying VIP member of this website.  And no, I am not pissed.  Amused? Yes.  Pissed? far from it.

And the answer is...none of our business (at least the gals will tell you that)

Consider that many traveling gals have lined up their regular dates before they ever get on that flight to "nowhere land".  And they may have already worked out their hotel arrangements using various discount sites...and they may very well have friends/family to meet for dinners.

Your 4 appointment a day may, or may not be accurate.  But frankly, who really cares.  As long as she is available to see you when you want, that should be the ticket for us.

Oh...and quite a few guys will spend more than an hour with a gal that travels.

And I do agree that she may move her hotel accomodations around.  And that is a good thing in many cases.  Just why she does it...well, who knows for sure

How long I stay in a town is a combination of how long I can reasonably be gone from my home responsibilities (which varies) and how many days in the visiting town meet my minimum requirements for net profit.  I won't travel somewhere without X amount in guaranteed (as in secured by deposit) date(s) per day.  If I end up getting an overwhelming (or underwhelming) response then I adjust accordingly.... BEFORE I even leave Denver.

As for how many dates it takes to make my minimum/day... often it is only one since my dates tend to be dinner-to-overnight bookings.  

That nicely summarizes how you rationalize what you need to make the trip.

And just solidifies that you don't need an extensive number of daily appointments to make the tour an enjoyable (and profitable) one.

Part of the "tour" may very well be for seeing the world.  And the nice part is if you can arrange the optimum number of dates (that would cover your costs), then the rest of the time you get to visit with friends/family, or just enjoy a few days off at your leisure.

That handle of yours is hilarious!!!  ( PanAmlong )

OMG, Edrienne, please get your web-site finished, must c more of u!!!
btw, you would make a great golf partner!!
thanks for your input, insightful!

And using travelocity or expedia, etc to book hotel rooms is a crap shot... sometimes you may hit pay dirt, other times, you'd be surprised at what their idea is of a 4 star hotel, lol. Most pay full price for their rooms, depending on where we're touring, average of $200 a night for a Hilton, or something similar. Staying in a hotel in a new city, for longer than a few days, will only attract attention. I personally drive everywhere, as it saves on airfare & having to get a rental anyway when you get to your destination, but I still won't leave my home city unless I have a set number of pre-bookings... if not, I will cancel the trip without a 2nd thought.

Did I say that outloud?

Well there are alot of scenerio hotels are expensive in alot of major cities then u have to add airfare and it depends on the supply in demand thats why if u notice if they tour the dont like going crosscountry it takes alot out your time

If touring isn't profitable - Why do so many providers tour then?

Your math sucks BTW

4 appoints/day = assume only 1 hr each (but in reality it's more like 90 min or more)

4 appoints / $400 = $1600

3 days x $1600 = $4800

Expenses you listed = $2300  

Net profit = $2500 or equivalent to seeing 2 clients a day at home.

If business is slow at the moment (i.e. Who the hell wants to stay in Phoenix in August?) it can increase cash flow.

Many providers only show up for 3 days so that they can guarantee solid bookings.

Airfare  - To offset expenses many providers drive their cars or take a series of smaller flights (i.e. 3 days in NY - 3 days in Philly - 3 days in DC)/ trains reducing airfare costs and travel time

Hotel - Umm this is a no brainer, but don't you stay in a Hotel or condo even if you aren't traveling?

Cab fare other than to airport is mainly for Outcalls and it is the reason that Outcalls cost more.

Room Service - Really only necessary if you are booked so solid you can't get a break for lunch.

Added LE attention = Really if you are only there for 3 days and switch hotels how much attention are you gonna attract? I would guess that 3 men/day to a condo all month long would attract more.

Sounds like you just aren't touring the right way Hon!

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Plus I have no problem getting the business I need at home

3 day tour math:

1. Airfare plus hotel - 1,000  
2. Cabs 300
3. Room service / meals / tips  anywhere from 200 to 500
4. Eros / RS2K / etc  300 - 500

Not having to deal with last moment cancellations and higher LE exposure?  PRICELESS

WHY would I want to do 5-6 appointments just to pay cost of doing business before I will even break even?

Yeah the higher end does ok if they have nice reveiws and do their homework and not throw out some ridiculus # like 700$hr for first time try for min 2 hr booking other wise they be sitting in their hotel room doing squat but theres always enough dogs willing to try

And the review I'd write from the prison library's computer? Shiiit! lol!

girl, u got a fine  ass!!

mrfisher and johngalt would orchestrate a jail break. Sophisticated as fuck. LP and Gambler would hide me out in Costa Rica. scoed would supply the transport. romeogolf and inicky would keep me neck deep in you-know-what when I hit stateside, ala Whitey Bolger. KJ and OSP would hide me out in plain sight on their properties.

I can go on and on, but you get the idea...

Stop hiding behind your Alias or simply just STFU!

Just because I'm not a sex worker doesn't mean I don't understand basic math.

If it was unprofitable to tour then NONE of the providers would do it! This is a business first and foremost. Everyone understands that!

I mean why would multiple providers keep coming back to my area if they lost money in the process?

Plenty of providers on the East and West coast do it so there must be a good reason $$$$ to do so.

Nomadic lifestyle? Who the fuck wants to live out of a suitcase for months at a time?

If you don't want to tour - THEN FINE! - No one is begging you to do so!

You are just pissed because I called you out on your numbers.

Let's see:  you have three whopping reviews, so you must be an expert in the field.

I've been hobbling for about 10 years and consider myself a newbie...

I've set up maybe 300 small businesses over the years [no, not all mine] and many have become wildly successful.  A strong business plan with good cash flow is essential to success, and you seem to think that all providers are rolling in cash.  Consider the added costs of the occasional boob job touchup [and the requisite downtime in recovery], shrink, medical and legal fees on top of maintaining both a home and incall, plus an occasional tour and the outflow mounts up quickly.  And that is for girls with high demand and equivalent prices.  

I live in Hawaii, and appreciate the ladies who make the trip over to the islands, even more so if they get out to the neighbor islands, but a five-hour plane trip from the coast [13 hours from Dallas recently], plus two or more hours going through security and other lines, horrible food, plus down-time for packing, meals, etc. and the costs add up.  I won't go to the mainland for less than a week, and prefer to spend a month to make the airfare and time worthwhile, and I'm doing it for fun!  If this were a business, I would want to see a guarantee of at least 400% profit over expenses [including lost wages back home]

I agree that I don't want to spend any extra time in Phoenix during the summer, and I'm sure there are worse places, but none of them are too bad if you spend your entire day in AC, in comfy surroundings, with several daily cash deposits and friends who can run your errands for you.

I hate lawyers, and any time spent with them is both negative cash and karma flow, but if I were a provider, I would have a great one on retainer and count the time I had to spend with them to be a plus, in the event that I ever needed a get out of jail free card.  I've been in jail briefly, and that is far worse than any time I've spent with lawyers.

I lived with a provider briefly in Thailand, and the expenses mount up quickly.  Have a little respect for the real costs involved for providers and you will be more appreciative of those who do travel to visit us poor mongers.

your flight is then canceled by the airline (or delayed or what-have-you), you have to pony up for an entirely new ticket, not just the difference between the canceled flight and the next one.

Of how long it took me to get a refund for a flight booked on Expedia that was cancelled due to weather last winter.  What a pain in the ass!  I'll never book with them again.

I would buy you a drink.

EC

Makes perfect sense to me! Beauty and Brains - very nice!

Alas, I'm not quite well off to upgrade to your services....not just yet anyways.