A friend of mine pointed out that Jews are racists because they deliberately target white women and consciously avoid black women.

She pointed out that Jewish-black couples are rare, but Jewish-white christian couples are plentiful. This made me wonder why that is so?

Does anyone know why Jews socialize with black people and make friends with them, but when it comes time to breed they studiously avoid them?

But, seriously! Do you really think you're going to get much of an answer to your question? Any time the word "racist" is used in a post, it just stirs up a bunch vitriol. Oh, and by the way, I have a friend and colleague who is black and his wife is white and Jewish.

I'm still wondering why, but thanks for proving the theory itself.

I let this up for response.  Hopefully, the response you get will suit your post.

I hadn't heard that one in forty years.

manage to stay alive long enough to actually learn how to operate a computer and find their way here. You'd think something that subhuman would be exterminated on a playground somewhere the first time it opened it's mouth.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

Every been to Israel?  There are thousands of Ethiopian Jews. Guess what they are black!

You should go on the P&R Board and hangout with tallslime26 and Xia.  The three of you could have a circle jerk.

Sorry, topics like this bring out the stupid in me.

Sammy Davis Junior ring a bell?

My question to you would be....why do you hang around with racist girls?  Are you that desperate to get laid?

You say a friend pointed this out..how the FUCK do you know this friend is correct.
Where the FUCK did this friend get the informatiom.
Why the FUCK do you believe this stupid FUCKing stuff.

If I put into words what I really think my cousin FatherFollowme will make me go to confession.

Maybe I'll go see him anyway, I do owe him a glass of wine or two or...... OK OK I owe him the whole damn bottle.


Thank you
2009 = 27

Certainly a well read and highly educated man such as yourself would be only too glad to submit to the board his research on such a profound subject. But then again, ignorance has no reference. Shut the fuck up.

on the ground to write such moronic nonsense.
Btw, pal, you forgot that such prominent members of the entertainment field such as Lisa Bonet,
Lenny Kravitz & Sophie Okonedo are products of African-American-Jewish marriages. Noted film director Sidney Lumet has been married to the daughter of Lena Horne for many years.

"Lodid"---there are plenty of Jewish hobbyists/providers out there---maybe you can arrange a m&g with them-------they might be able
to change your atavistic opinions------

... if she's ever heard of the lost tribe of Israel, the African Jews, or where he came up with that statistic. You said "she" pointed out ... is "she" a provider friend or just someone who has no clue about preference, chemistry, real life? Your statement is, at best, a totally inaccuate representation of a whole race/religion, and at worst, the reason that they say "Some may think you're a fool, but don't open your mouth and prove them right."

The term "breed" means ... what to you? Have sex, procreate, marry, what?? You're statement is missing something.

Best to take less advice and opinion from "your friend" and step into the real world.

Good luck on passing the screening for a fourth review.  You'll need it.  Maybe you'll be able to find a woman wearing a sexy white hood and robe for KKKinky sex.

Because they would always have to sit at the back of the Chinese restaurant on christmas day?

hmmm....methinks your friend is a putz.

There is no basis for such a ridiculous question.
Jews who are very religious will try to stick to their faith when it comes to marriage, but other than that, they inter-marry just like anyone else. I think you and your friend are the ones who are racist.

He used to have the username Andy Rock in Boston  and posted frequently looking for Jewish providers, and claimed to be a Kosher Jew.  (He will vehemently deny being "Andy", but I have more than enough evidence that he is one & the same). This is not the 1st time he's tried to rile up Jews, or post odd questions about Jewry.  He's a strange duck at best, and my sense is he's  really a gentile with an agenda.   He is best ignored, and should be Moderated.

He was talking about riding a bus back in the fifties and someone told him Negros had to ride in the back of the bus. When he replied to the dreive that he was in fact Jewish, the response by the driver was "in that case, get off the bus" lol

Keep in mind I heard this back in the Seventies and it was probably old even then.

Still feeling stupid? lol

Trolls don't deserve responses, we should just ridicule them instead.

Maybe you can lure him over to the P&R Board where you can tell him how you really feel? lol

I have a better question for you....ready?


WHO CARES?


I mean really....WHO GIVES A SHIT?


Geez

I did not know that. I suppose that all those Ethiopian Jews aren't really black, it just makeup, right?

in the 60's, especially among Hollywood elites.  Sidney Poitier and James Earl Jones married Jewish women.  Lenny Kravitz father was Jewish and mother black (of Helen in The Jefferson fame)

As soon as the color of someone's skin is brought up, no matter in what context, you are called a racist.  Nobody on this board speaks of race and neither should you.  Unless you like people talking badly about you.

Who really gives a shit anyway?

Swim

Personally, I think "racist" is a non-word. It's just a word used today similar to the way "heretic" was used during the Spanish Inquisition.

Every distinct ethnic group has a right to maintain its own gene pool and, to the extent they wish, limit intermarriage.

Whether you like it or not, race is NOT a social construct. Professor Gill, professor of forensic anthropology at Colorado State University, can tell a person's classic anthropological race from bones alone. Obviously, race is not just about skin color. A company called DNA Print Genomics can tell a person's proportion of different races within 4% just from a cheek swab.

If you can determine race from looking at a bone or analyzing a cheek swab, it is real and far from a social construct.

Different races have different evolutionary advantages; though all are equally human and equally deserving of respect and human dignity.

Asian-derived people are least susceptible to lung cancer; African-derived people are least susceptible to malaria; and European-derived people are least susceptible to HIV. And this is just ONE area of difference. Different clot-busting drugs and blood pressure medicines work differently on different races.

In other words, "diversity" is not about skin color. It is about genetic traits that distinctly define a group of people.

Intermarriage, like it or not, destroys that genetic uniqueness just as certainly as if people were sent to gas chambers. In other words, intermarriage is slow motion genocide.

Remember, the very PREMISE of genocide is the idea that ethnic groups are not identical. If they were identical, then gassing 6 million Jews would not be genocide, it would simply be mass murder.

So if one accepts the idea that genocide exists AND that genocide is wrong; then intermarriage is wrong for the exact same reasons.

All of this is to explain to you that the reason why Jews tend not to intermarry (and are taught not to intermarry) is because intermarriage would destroy the Jewish people as a distinct genetic entity just as effectively as Hitler's gas chambers.

In practice, about 50% of Jews intermarry with non-Jews these days in the U.S., and some prominent Rabbis have appropriately used the term "slow motion genocide" to describe this phenomenon. That is why Israel, as a storehouse of uncorrupted Jewish genes where intermarriage is ILLEGAL, is so important to long-term Jewish survival.

Is advocating AGAINST slow motion genocide "racist?"

Now, because I am talking about Jews and protecting Jews from genocide, everything I've just said is politically correct.

But let me take this one step further, since this is amnesty day, and be very politically INCORRECT.

It isn't just Jews that can be wiped out through the genocide of intermarriage. Other ethnicities can as well. THEREFORE intermarriage, period, is a genocidal practice and ought not occur. I'm not saying the government should stop it, only that people should be conscientious enough about their ethnicity to avoid deliberately promoting its destruction.

Now, let me go back to where I began.

Race is real, and every race has different strengths.

Modern humans have only existed for about 250,000 years at most, And humans with IQs higher than 70 have only existed for about 6,000 years. That's all. Compared to dinosaurs, we have existed on this planet for a mere BLINK of geological time. We have the mindset as though we've always been here, and will always be here -- but that is far from guaranteed.

Nature never stops evolution, and life never puts all of its eggs in one basket. It is always differentiating and creating new variants of species. This is good, because circumstances on this planet have changed dramatically over time and as a result some species have survived, and some have not.

We never know when a new and improved Bubonic Plague will be unleashed. We never know when an asteroid might brush by our atmosphere. We never know what the future holds.

But this we DO know, if we are honest: that the wide diversity of humanity in all of its forms -- African, Jewish, Asian, Caucasian, and many others --- has a FAR greater chance of making it through whatever the future holds if we maintain that precious genetic diversity that manifests in different strengths.

Because we cannot know what will be needed in the future, it is supremely foolish to interbreed races and thereby remove concentrations of traits that we may not even realize yet are important.

And this is the reason why genocide, whether through gas chambers or interbreeding, is the ultimate wrong: because the absorption or dying out of ANY group of people could ultimately mean the total disappearance of all human life on this planet.

You are right, Jews don't usually marry blacks. And they SHOULDN'T. And Blacks shouldn't marry Asians, and Whites shouldn't marry Australian Aborigines. We need to maintain diversity in order to maintain our odds of long-term survival. Period.

Have all the fun you want; but when the rubber hits the road and it's time to make a baby: make that baby with someone of your own ethnicity. Do NOT be part of the slow-motion genocide that will give us the androgynous medium-tan "United Nations Man." Be what you are, be proud of what you are, and make MORE of what you are.

Me, I'm not Jewish. But I think people of ALL ethnicities can learn a LOT from Israel's policies on intermarriage. Jews as a group are the most intelligent distinct ethnic group on earth. And if they have prohibited intermarriage within their own distinctly Jewish State, we need to perk up our ears and listen because E.F. Hutton is speaking.

Never mind the fact that many Jews in THIS country are among the biggest promoters of interracial unions. Within their OWN country, Jews are pretty hardcore, and rightly so. And we should ALL follow their example.

Racist?? Who knows
Ignorant? Oh Yes

Its a bizaare questions and quite frankly this is a bizarre place to bring it up.

Who gives a shit being the prevailing wisdom works for me.

i mean...WOW. as one with a degree in cultural anthropology and who is also fortunate to have more than an ounce or two of common sense, i find your logic and beliefs shocking.

this is the first time a posting on this website has angered me. heck, this is the first time i have even felt anger in many months. did you actually state, intermarriage = GENOCIDE?!?!?!? i'll state it again, and with passion: WOW.

you are entitled to your beliefs, however ignorant, but to state them as fact is where you cross the line imo. as modern human beings are strength lies in our ability to adapt, evolve and diversify not in racial isolation and ethnic "cleansing."

Dear Lilli,

Please show me where I advocated ethnic cleansing. I didn't. Perhaps you are angry over something I didn't say?

I said that race is real, and it is. You are a CULTURAL anthropologist, steeped either directly or indirectly in the Boasian school of thought. You, also, have a right to your beliefs, but you need to understand that physical reality supports race as a fact. Some people use different words for it, such as "population group" but the underlying reality remains.

As you have called me "ignorant" and made an ad-hominem attack, I will provide you with sources.

Here, the Jewish Defense League (not a white supremacy group BTW) explicitly equates assimilation and intermarriage with genocide: http://www.jdl.org/index.php/threats-adversaries/assimilation-intermarriage/

Here, Dr. Sally Satel describes the benefits and necessity of racial differentiation in both the diagnosis and treatment of disease:
Satel, Sally (2002), I am a Racially Profiling Doctor, New York Times, May 5, 2002

Here, Dr. George Gill states that you can, in fact, tell someone's race from their skeleton BETTER than you can from their skin color:
Gill, George, Does Race Exist? A Proponents Perspective, Nova Online http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/gill.html

Here, DNA Print Genomics, whose tests are used to find criminals, BTW in the real world, shows you what they can tell you about your racial background with a simple cheek swab:
http://www.dnaprint.com/welcome/productsandservices/anestrybydna/

Here is an article describing how lung cancer susceptibility varies with different races:
Stein, Rob (2006), Race May Be Factor In Lung Cancer, Washington Post January 26, 2006; Page A12

Here is an article documenting why Europeans are more resistant to HIV than other races:
Kimmell, Robin ( ), The Evolving Genetics of HIV - Can genes stop HIV?

Lilli, please try to overcome your cultural anthropology background. A little bit of logic will tell you that if racial admixtures as small as 3% are genetically detectable, and that if a forensic anthropologist can determine your race just by looking at your bones, race is an absolute, scientifically provable, physical reality.

You have every right to be as angry with me as you wish. And you have every right to call me names if that is what floats your boat.

But let me give you a quick list of things I did NOT advocate:

Ethnic cleansing
Superiority of any race
Oppression based on race
Anything other than respect for ALL humans.

You can accuse me of many things, but the accusation of "ignorance" rings most hollow.

By the way, Lilli, I don't intend to be dismissive of your education in cultural anthropology.

The problem lies in the fact that people are often boxed in by their formal training which makes it difficult to consider things from a different perspective.

Cultural anthropology, as a field, makes a specific point of the essential non-existence of race as a factor in cultural development. In the nature-nurture debate, it comes down pretty heavily on the "nurture" end. I see the world as both nature AND nurture.

But there ARE other perspectives. I have given you perspectives from forensic anthropology, medicine and molecular biology that all say race (no matter what term you use for it) is real.

For you to call entire fields of study other than your own ignorant is ridiculous. That's why I say you should overcome the cultural anthropology box, and just see that there are other perspectives out there.

The fact that race is real does NOT necessarily imply that anyone should be ethnically cleansed, oppressed, harmed or even disrespected.

Here's the thing. Facts are just facts. They are devoid of moral content. It is what someone chooses to DO with those facts, that adds the moral content.

I have no doubt that some Hitlerian nutjob would look at what I've said, and derive from it justification for his evil agenda. But, let's be honest, my facts wouldn't create his agenda -- his agenda would exist anyway.

But these facts can also be used to HELP people. Acknowledging race can help to better prevent, diagnose and treat disease, for example.

I don't mean to bash or belittle you in any way. No doubt you studied hard and learned a lot; and cultural anthropology is an interesting field.

But I tend to look at things from many different angles. And, yes, I'm sorry -- race is real. You can call it different things -- like "continental origin" or "population group" but it is still pretty much the same thing.

So I have presented my data as factual because it IS factual.

I realize that there are debates about race as a valid term (see Stephen J. Gould, for example), but that doesn't mean the underlying physical realities that the term is representing are nonexistent.

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Here is an article documenting why Europeans are more resistant to HIV than other races:
Kimmell, Robin ( ), The Evolving Genetics of HIV - Can genes stop HIV?
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Is this applicable to everyone in Europe ?  From the distinctly different ethnicities like the Turkish, Armenian, German, Polish, French, Italian, Greek, Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Danish, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, Estonian, the various Russian ethnicities and all other distinctly different ethnic groups who compose the European population ?

Is it not true, that what is termed as "European American" or "white" in the US, is essentially a hybrid of several other hybrids, composed from innumerably different ethnic backgrounds, a majority of whose hybrid composition is derived from distinctly different ethnic members from the various portions of the European heartland, along with significant mixing with Native Americans, hispanics and even some African genes ?  

The question is, are we not sitting on a very high and shaky horse and making such "erudite" judgements/statements ?

At the dawn of humanity when some folks walked out of Africa and some stayed behind, racial characteristics developed to cope with greatly differing environments.  For the most part, we no longer need racial/ethnic specialization to survive.  
It's within distinct groups that genetic diseases crop up as a sort of early-warning-sign of inbreeding.  
Humanity thrives on mixing up the gene pool.
And with all your quoting of the Jewish Defense League, and pronouncement that Jews are the smartest people on
Earth,  you might remember that Jews are not a homogenous lot due to living as a diaspora for countless generations (and inevitably mixing it up along the way)...Judaism isn't a race, it's a religion and a loose cultural identity.  As you know, Jews run the ethnic gamut from North Africans and Middle Easterners, to  Southern, Northern and Eastern Europeans.  From Ethiopians to blue-eyed blonds...

I think you've cherry-picked your sources to cobble together an erroneous belief system.

I don't think so since, in my personal experience, the premise is not true.  My GF is Jamaican, we are not married because 25 years ago, she decided it was her duty to stick with her husband.  They are sicne divorced and we are now waiting for my son to be steady and old enough.  I know many couples who are Jewish/black and --while neither of my wives are Jewish and I now go to Friends meeting, my son decided to go to Hebrew School 5 years ago and be Bar Mitzvah; a number of his class mates were mixed race kids (black white/Asian white.)
I am not sure of the point of the question in any event.

Johngaltnh:

There are no pure races of anything in America anymore so advocating that we cease breeding outside our races is over 400 years too late!!! I went to my family reunion and we are so mixed in so many races it could have been a company picnic. The swirls (as we call ourselves) didn't just start. My great grand parents came directly from Greece...BOTH SETS OF THEM. They were interracial before they moved to Puerto Rico. Grand Dad (Greek man) married a hot latina...my other Grand Dad (Greek Man) married a beautiful African (Ethiopain) woman.....both couples lived in PR for decades then moved here for reasons unknown.

One look at me and most people would automaticaly think: Oh she is a sister....and I am I identify black....however my first cousins ID PR, some of my aunts ID'ed GREEK. At this point in America we identify ourselves with WHAT IS COMFORTABLE FOR US. My identifying as black is what it is....I am dark and very lovely!!!

I said all that to say this...you are INTERRACIAL YES YOU ARE mixed with something. A WHOLE LOTTA something. All Americans are....slavery took care of that issue.

So don't get up here on your soap box of sheer stupidity and try to declare you are the voice of authority on race. With your INTERRACIAL SELF!!!

As I mount my own soapbox with my lighter up singing to the very top of my lungs:

WE ARE THE WORLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE ARE THE CHILDRENNNNNNNNNNNNNN WE ARE THE ONES TO MAKE A BETTER PLACE SO LETS START GIVINGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!

Now if I could just hit that Cindi Lauper note...well well well welllllllll....

It never sounds as good as hers.......

Allure`

If I want to read about racial preservation I'll follow my fingers over to sites devoted to Nationalism.

LodidGun is a troll who can no longer get a rise out of the Boston board so he's materialized here and everyone who is participating with diatribes "supported" by studies (out-of-context, incomplete, & biased research material without presentation of challenging material) is following the bait, hook, line and sinker.

The only thing that this thread has taught me is whose posts I will NOT click on in the future.

So much for Amnesty Day DC- can we return to our regularly scheduled program, "Whores & The Men Who Love Them"?  

I'll go read Farrakhan and David Duke later, but for now, I'd like to be entertained by topics pertinent to this site.

This is a form of the general argument that since blending has happened, race does not exist.

Not true.

If you have ever gone to the beach, there is an area that has some of the attributes of both land and sea, and lacks some of the attributes of both land and sea. And yet, nobody would argue that because blended areas exist; both land and sea do not exist independently.

I agree with you on most points. And I think the whites simply do not have the population % to afford intermarriage.

My question was out of curiosity not malice.

I am not that person Andyrock you are talking about nor am I a gentile.

Besides my question was out of curiosity and not malice.

Just because I may be part Jewish does not mean I cannot ask sensitive questions about race.

I think you mind is poisoned by political correctness. I am sorry but that is my honest opinion.

I am not prejudice but everyone's opinions were an interesting read. I, too, have done some major research in cultural anthropology. I think -- whether we agree or agree to disagree on a topic -- that we need to keep an open mind for such topics from a scientific standpoint. However, I don't agree with keeping inbreeding sacred.  

With that said, I would be happy to experiment with anyone who is of a different race than me.

Hugs,
Ciara

-- Modified on 6/4/2009 9:12:17 AM

Do you have any scientific proof of the mixing of races is degrading the genetic "Strengths" of each race?

I lied, a follow up questions. Did you just use your own beliefs to come up with the degradation conclusion? How do you know that by mixing genetics that we aren't actually getting the strengths of both and making even better people? Happens all the time with breeding animals and plants. Mixing to make things better.

You say we need to keep separate in order to be prepared for whatever the future holds for us. The unknown future. What if it would behoove us to actually mix genetics to get better/stronger people who don't have hang ups over race/genetics. What if whatever the future holds for us means we need people like that to continue to exist. With your thoughts and statements then the human race would be in big trouble.

I say people need to just go with what floats their boat and not worry about how humans will survive in the future. Either we will or we won't. Who we decide to fuck/marry/have kids with won't matter.

b-

According to Dr. Shalom in "Survival of the Sickest," no matter where Jews live, and no matter what they look like, they are more related to each other genetically than to the populations in which they reside.

There are numerous other sources in well-respected peer-reviewed journals. Jews are, in fact, a genetically distinct people; and all I am arguing is that they ought not be subject to the disappearance of their unique traits. But I apply this across the board. Whether it is the San people of the Kalahari with their unique genetic gift of a fully intact olfactory sense or anyone else -- I do not want their beautiful uniqueness destroyed.

But I can understand that you perceive my possibly inordinate praise of Jews to reflect a bias.

In that case, let me cite Dr. Matt Nuenke's "The Myth of Racism." Dr, Nuenke is well known as an anti-Semite and eugenicist. According to Dr. Nuenke, in the sources just cited, the average IQ of Jews is 117 whereas the average IQ of the population at large is 100.

Dr. Kevin MacDonald, who was recently featured on the ADL's web page as an "anti-Semite" has written a trilogy exploring Jewish group evolutionary strategies. In this trilogy, particularly in the second book, "Separation and its Discontents," he exhaustively documents not only that Jews are truly smarter, but explains WHY.

Then you can look at the fact that out of 6 billion people on earth, only 20 million are Jews -- and THEN just look at the proportion of Nobel prizes that Jews have been awarded. You'll be astonished. That's pretty objective.

So I can derive identical information from philo-Semitic, anti-Semitic and objective sources; I simply use the philo-Semitic sources as they are less controversial. If all three agree, though, its highly likely that what I am saying is factual.

I haven't "cherry picked" in order to push a pro-Jewish point of view. I have reached my views because of the evidence, rather than selecting evidence to support those views.

Now, let's talk about inbreeding.

If you'd like to learn a lot about inbreeding and outbreeding, a really good introduction, though in a different genre is Carol Deppe's "Breed your own vegetable varieties." The core principles are just as applicable to humans as to vegetables; except in the case of humans various ethical issues and social norms apply.

Some plants are strong inbreeders and others are strong outbreeders like spinach and corn. Tomatoes are unharmed by hundreds of generations of inbreeding; whereas inbreeding depression for corn can manifest in just a single generation.

Yet, if you look through any heirloom seed catalog, you will find dozens of distinct varieties (races) of corn that have remained distinct from other varieties through 100 generations of careful isolation without suffering from inbreeding depression. The reason is that all that is required to avoid inbreeding within a variety (race) is a certain minimum population of that variety (race). In the case of corn, it is only 400 plants; in the case of broccoli it is 20.

When you consider that most major population groups   (or races) contain millions of people (and some contain billions); it is quickly realized that breeding within a population grooup of that size is unlikely to lead to inbreeding depression except in pockets where inbreeding has been specifically practiced for some reason.

According to the standard theory, the major races started diverging first 100,000 years ago (Africans stayed in Africa) and then 40,000 years ago (Europeans and Asians split).

Would you argue that Africans, Asians or Europeans are all a bunch of inbred idiots? While certain pockets of inbreeding have happened over time (often due to attempts to concentrate resources among a wealthy elite); overall, all of the major groups of humanity have remained genetically healthy and vigorous. These races were largely separated from each other by geographic boundaries for tens of thousands of years with only a bit of mixing at the margins, yet remained perfectly fine.

As a cultural anthropologist, you are no doubt familiar with Margaret Mead's research. Much of this research was centered on small and isolated populations. Rather than finding inbreeding depression, she reported these populations in glowing terms for their social enlightenment!

Jews are a bit of a special case as, up until 1,000 years ago, polygamy existed and there were certain religious strictures that encouraged consanguinity. As a result, a few genetic illnesses have raised their ugly heads. However, among the Jewish population these are now easily and routinely avoided through genetic testing and with a population of 20 million or so, there is no danger of inbreeding depression.

In other words, inbreeding is NOT an issue and it is not what I am advocating.

Now, to further promote the idea that intermarriage is genocidal, instead of citing some Jews, let me cite a former member of the neo-Nazi organization, National Alliance -- John Young.

John Young is an ideological leader of pro-white groups. While John Young has moderated his stances *considerably* more recently (and recanted anti-Semitism), there is no question that back when he was involved in National Alliance, he was clearly an anti-Semite.

Back then, he wrote an article called "Frankfurt School Aikido." (here: http://thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Jews/+Doc-Jews-General&Msc/KillingJewsWithTheirOwnPoison.htm)

In this article, his anti-Semitism and desire to destroy the Jewish people is obvious. Speaking of a war against Jews, he says: "We are in a war where, ... if you attack the enemy directly ... it only serves to increase his unity and concentrate his power."

What is his ultimate prescription to remove all Jews from the face of the earth? INTERMARRIAGE! And what will be the result? "And giving justice to these Jews will ultimately bring the justice to Jewry as a whole that it so richly deserves, without a single act of violence." If you read his article, it will chill your blood.

So -- intermarriage is, in fact, a SPECIFIC PLAN put forth by an anti-Semite for the specific purpose of implementing a "slow motion genocide." The end result -- no unique Jewish people -- is no different than the end result of sending them to gas chambers.

So what I want to leave you with, Lilli, is that even though you don't know me and I've revealed nothing to you about my education or occupations; I'm not just some idiot with wacky ideas. The ideas I advance are the result of a multidisciplinary approach that integrates many far-flung fields and rather extensive knowledge.

This is NOT a matter of "one of us is right and the other is wrong." I don't expect you to drop whatever you have believed for however long just because I said so. The fact is that even though, at every point in history, human beings seem to think they are at the pinnacle of greatness -- we keep looking back from 200 or even 100 years from that point and laughing at just how stupid we were. 100 years from now, if humanity makes it that long, our progeny will look back on us and laugh at just how stupid WE were. Many of the things we accept as a "given" today will be seen as ridiculous tomorrow.

All I'd really like, ideally, is for you to see that I can advance my viewpoint and that the viewpoint itself does not reveal some profound character flaw or evil intent.

Neither of us is ignorant. We are both educated; but we are differently educated.

This is the real strength of real ideological diversity; and it begins by acknowledging that a person holding a supportable view very different from your own is NOT automatically evil. This idea of besmirching someone's character, intellect and motives because of disagreement is unworthy of folks like us. Yes?

But if you follow them, they cite lots of rabbis too.

I still maintain there's nothing wrong if Jews want to remain as a distinct people.

Dearest Allure,

Please read my responses to Lilli. Meanewhile, did I EVER say you were anything but gorgeous?

I never though I'd live to see the day when opposing the genocide of the Jews would have people screaming at me. Oh well, times change ...

who are especially smart. From my understanding the Sephardim do not seem to carry the smart gene. Is that true?

As a member of the "tribe", and also a "purebred" by your definition, I can state that the below is pure nonsense:

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According to Dr. Shalom in "Survival of the Sickest," no matter where Jews live, and no matter what they look like, they are more related to each other genetically than to the populations in which they reside.
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The above is probably the fellow's wish and hope, but has absolutely no scientific basis, whatsoever.  If you have any kind of scientific leaning, I would be surprised if you were to give the above quoted statement, any credence whatsoever.  Culturally related ?  A strong maybe.  Genetically identical ? Nonsense.

"Jews" are not a monolith.  There are European jews (the Ashkenazi, as someone quoted below), African jews, the jews who never moved out of their homeland (the Sephardim, as someone mentioned below) and who are well nigh identical to their neighbors, the Palestinians, and also Jewish people who came from other parts of the world, including from places in Asia.  These are all clearly and distinctly different people, that follow a common faith of Judaism.

Bottomline, there is no monolithic identity called a Jew, as you are trying to project.  And I see that you are getting a little carried away with this nonsense.

I hate to feed the troll but it is no secret that there are Black Jews in the world.  I am also aware personally of a number of successful Jewish men that are married to Halley Berry looking Black women. I guess this person does not get around much or research his preconceptions on the internet.

and I will attempt to ask all the Jewish people in the world, and yes, I will consult too with my Black brothers and Sisters to see if there is any other added input...
WTF???????????????????????
How do you even come up with this sh*t?? Why would it matter and who f*cking cares??????
Waaaaaaay to much time on your hands.....