just wanted to bring this thread to everyone's attention. Its on the OC board and is definitely a discussion-starter.

I guess it's easier to pay women for sex than it is to display any sort of personality, compassion or commitment to another person...hey whatever works for you I guess...

Watching a bunch of misogynists who view women as nothing more than life support for a pussy is a discussion starter?

That's an old chestnut.

Before anyone jumps all over me, let me be clear that there is nothing in the world wrong with fuck buddies, and nothing in the world wrong with hobbying - no matter what a gentleman's reasons for hobbying may be. But any man who honestly thinks that sex is the ONLY reason to spend more than 5 minutes in a woman's company as the original poster on that thread does, clearly has some extremely fucked up priorities.

So, I'm sorry, but I'm truly stumped about what could possibly be worth discussing here.

This guy is a "dick head" who only does his thinking with his "dick head".

Just my opinion...
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Why do guys post such idiotic things on public boards? It's one thing to be a moron -- it takes it to a completely different level when a guy feels obligated to let everyone else know he's a moron.

If you think dating is fucked up, try marriage.  

At least dating is just a reocurring expense.  A gamble.  A roll of the dice.  You can walk away from the action without losing your shirt.  Or your kids, house and car.  

A wife is overhead.  A mortgage.  Debt you can never pay off.  You lose everything you own, when in default of the legally binding contract with somebody whose primary interest in life is the next Italian couture handbag.  If you're lucky, as that is your best case scenario.  It only gets worse.

A provider is a time share.  Not a great investment idea, but she won't break ya either.  If I had it all to do over again, I would have taken a provider to my Junior and Senior prom and never have to look back in anger.

The problem is not women per se.  Its the game you choose to play with them.  If you want an even shake from a woman, you go down to Walgreens and buy a box of white envelopes for $1.39.  They'll provide the condoms.

and it goes to a WHOLE different level when another moron thinks that stupid rant is "discussion-worthy" and post it on other boards.

I liked some of the responses.
I can see why hobbyists are so much better in bed than civvies.
Couldn't be that they don't waist rime playing games and care more about quality sex instead of wasting time with hit and miss dating.
It sucks when you date someone,get the testing and they suck in bed.
Then you have to dump them and that's not very nice.
I would still give him a hand job or a blow job since he has made the effort, but I'm not going through the frustration of unsatisfying sex.
Some civvie guys think I will sleep with them SO they will take me out. LOL
Are the civvies really that dumb?
I love the hobby because everyone can get what they want honestly with no resentment.

that the OP is just off on his own thing and not sufficiently focused that any discussion would ever go anywhere.

I'd agree the fella needs help.  Whether he CAN be helped and how is another issue; and how or why anybody else should GAS is a 3rd issue.

Of course men share some characteristics, and women share others.  But there's a limit to useful generalizations, and people's goals change throughout their lives.

The 1st thing I'd tell the poor schmuck is to stop thinking he can feed a woman into bed, any more than she can fuck him into marriage (well OK, that might work, for a year or so until he figures it out).  

Another more smarter poster might be worth talking about.

"I guess it's easier to pay women for sex than it is to display any sort of personality, compassion or commitment to another person...hey whatever works for you I guess..."





I CANNOT believe the things people let come out of their mouths.............


dude, you're talking about what it takes for a relationship, ON AN ESCORT FORUM...


if YOU knew anything about what it takes for a relationship, then you wouldn't be on HERE running your mouth like this, now would you?

YOU are paying money for sex, aren't you?!?!?!?!



Why is it, that you think that you are in a position to preach, and cannot see the depths of your hypocrisy?



I guess it's easier to run your mouth, and point your finger, than it is to look in the mirror, do some self reflection, and find some humility, but hey whatever works for you I guess....

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Shit...I feel bad for this guy.  He is meeting some boring ass women!
Come on over to the east coast.  Girls are FUN and EASY!
I'll show you.... 8)

-- Modified on 10/12/2007 2:55:41 AM

He is talking about real world dating VS. escorts.
If you want to keep running around like a small child ripping me every time I post well than have at it. I was here before you were and I'll still be here when your gone. I guarantee it...

so it's even

Bostonguy, you sounded like you were criticizing the poster for paying for sex.  Why would someone criticize being a John on an escort board?  That's what Nitescape was talking about.

If I wanted "companionship," I'd be with a man, not a woman!  Why would I want to spend my time hanging around with someone I have absolutely nothing in common with?  And if I just wanted a "good time" or "entertainment," I'd go to a bowling alley or a movie or a museum or something... alone!  I can honestly say I've never met a woman I've had anything in common with, not even a decent conversation.  My personal encounters with women always feel forced, unnatural and uncomfortable.  I always feel like I have to pretend that I am interested in what they have to say, whereas they never even bother to feign interest in me and what I have to say.

Yes, obviously, men are looking for sex when they date.  Otherwise, why would we bother to pay for the evening's entertainment?  When I go out with my MALE friends, no one expects me to pay for everything!  Women make us pay for dates because they know they have something we want.  It's simple economics.  But since it's never spoken out loud, they can always pretend that they didn't know about our little "arrangement," and be outraged when the conversation turns to sex.  So they use us as life support systems for our wallets.  Why shouldn't we use them as life support systems for their vaginas?

I responded to the thread with my opinion. I was certainly not criticizing the OP for paying for sex. That would be rather foolish considering I have 45 TER reviews and have seen at least twice that many women over the years....paying all of them. I'm not going to defend my original post to you or anyone else. Read it and make of it what you will.
When attacked I will respond. It is possible to disagree with someone, post an alternate view and not be insulting or abusive all in the same post. At least most of us seem to be able to do it...

I know.... I know!  gonna get every woman I know - provider or civie on me!  so ok, here is the deal - we go out, and you pay for everything!  with NO expectation of anything. - including another date.  or even a good night kiss.  Want to bet on what the outcome of that is?!  

I know that this seems harsh - but after 30 years of the equality for men and women... and still the review of view of dating as a man pays?  and of "fine women" looking down on my date because she is an escort?  nope.  the reality is, I paid for all the sex I had with my ex.  plain and simple.  So let's be real and not disguise things with a PC label.

though you're still my dawg!  haha



But I have been on a deep intimate level with a number of females, and have had special times that made really special memories.....


unfortunately, in today's generation, it is EXTREMELY difficult....

I've seen it all too many times...    even when things start out really good, and on the right foot, today's woman just thinks she's too valuable for any ordinary man.

She thinks that she is ABOVE any man, and that we should be worshipping her.

That is what today's society is telling them.


and it's not the sole fault of the women, cause the dudes out there who are non-stop hound dogs with blinders on, cause just as much damage....

always trying to wave something in front of YOUR WOMAN, to entice her away..........  and then after a while, she starts believing the hype -

"yeah, maybe the grass really IS greener over there, so let me forget about all the memories and love and trust I've built with this one person, cause that stuff don't really matter much no ways...    let me pursue this material wealth, and image bullshit...  it looks like fun!"



If women of today really valued a good/real man, things wouldn't be so difficult.

Unfortunately, it's become acceptable and actually ADMIRABLE, to become a hoe.

The one thing I admire most about escorts, is that at least they are honest.

We just don't tell the whole country when we're having a misogynist moment. For a while fresh after I was divorced I hated women, of course I still loved pussy. You can tell by the tone of their posts that there are many hobbyists that feel that way. IMHO it's their loss, a woman is more than a life support system for a vagina, but there are times when many if not most of us don't really care about the rest of the package.

Myself, I'm greedy. I want the best of all of it, I like civvie dating, I LOVE the hobby. WTH I may even get married again someday, just not any day in the near future that is.

Sorry his life sucks, not real sorry, not sorry enough to let it affect my day. Who knows maybe he'll get over it, if he doesn't, who cares?

If you ask most civilian women why men have to pay, they'll probably say some bullshit about how they like an "old-fashioned man who treats them like a lady."  Old fashioned?  Oh, so they miss the "good old days" when women couldn't vote or own property?  It's such hypocrisy.  They've been given their equality and they still want more.  Women want the chivalry of a bygone era AND the freedom and empowerment of the modern era.  They want to be both special and equal at the same time, as Nitescape (and Tom Leykis) said.  Well, not on my dollar.  That sounds like a recipe for a gynarchy/matriarchy.

You my dawg, too. LOL

This one's too funny: "Unfortunately, it's become acceptable and actually ADMIRABLE, to become a hoe."

Anyway, I have to ask, you say you have special memories with a lot of women: would your opinion of these women be different if you weren't sexually attracted to them?  I think a lot of men will lie to themselves about having a mental or emotional connection with a woman on a personal level so that they can get laid.  It doesn't mean that a man can't like a woman's personality, but you have to wonder how much are you overlooking JUST because she's hot.

-- Modified on 10/12/2007 7:20:36 PM

Thanks for directing me to one of the most absolutely pathetically stupid threads that's ever been started only a 1000 times prior to this.

What's next?  A discussion on shaving the nutsack?

and I'm not intent on trying to have a pissing contest with you..........


but dude, FIRST of all, you respond to all my posts, and talk shit..

SECONDLY, you take it upon yourself OFTEN, to make personal and judgmental comments about others, even when it doesn't have anything to do with the topic.


This dude was venting/speaking out.   You took it (once again) upon yourself to speak down to him, as though you are better.

You seem to have an awful habit of doing it.

I'm just trying to show you a mirror.


Either way, at least your Red Sox won yesterday, so all is not a total loss! haha


peace

that's what I always say!!!  lol



I'm still looking for a button that says that, which I'd like to wear on voting day.


Seriously, I know women are smart, and have brains, and all that............   but in today's society, things are just ridiculous.

We spend so much time on our knees, at the mercy of women and their emotions, that most of us don't have any balls anymore.


Men need to get it together - period.


I'm totally against abusing women, and taking them for granted, but I'm NOT against men being the leaders.


Oh yeah, STOP Hillary!!!!!!!!!!


That bitch is the devil.



Not that George Bush is much better..

but there WAS a genuine connection, and there were times when I was the one whom fucked things up.....


Now personally, I DO feel that a physical attraction is a must, but some people actually don't - to each his own.

But even though there were some things I overlooked, you gotta think, we ALL have issues (even us men sometimes, hehe), and we ALL have to overlook things about each other at times...


Still, your point is made, and I know what you are talking about, and in TODAY'S society, things are even worse.


Heck, I've tried dating services even!


What usually happens, is that even when things start out well/"on the right foot", at some point, the woman will think of herself in an "overvalued" way, because of the values of today's society.

With all the attention that we men are giving them, combined with how we are always groveling at their feet, even if you or I aren't doing that, the other men that are, make these women's heads blow up!

So when the relationship goes through some difficult times (which is normal), she starts thinking "gosh I don't have to deal with this... I could have any man I want", and instead of dealing with a little adversity, she walks out the door onto something easier.


It's the very rare woman, whom has maturity and eyesight, to see through all of today's bullshit....


and many women today, simply don't place value on a relationship, or good man anymore.....


I certainly don't have the answers, at this point.

I'm not quite sure what makes you think that your opinions are some how more valid than mine. You are no less judgmental and certainly no less of a smart-ass than I am around here. As I've said more than once, when you post opinions on a public forum they become fair game for anyone to comment on. If you don't like my style that's your right but It's not going to change simply because one guy who doesn't like the fact that I held a mirror up TO HIM doesn't like it.
If you perceive it to be some sort of superiority complex I can't help that, I write the way I write and I don't suffer fools well. The only time I go off topic is when I have to defend myself against off topic responses to my posts...
If it bothers you that much I would submit that maybe you are the one with an inferiority complex.

BTW, "Peace" is more than just a word that you stick at the end of a post. You started this BS, not me.

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-- Modified on 10/13/2007 2:17:22 PM

I honestly feel bad for ya...


You are so bitter, and you obviously DO care, or else you wouldn't be on this forum so much, and responding to me.

I think you're just lonely, and that's why you're always trying to address people personally.



You're losing all touch with reality though, and your immaturity and hypocrisy are becoming GLARING at this point, so.........................

I really don't want to say too much else.




Instead of killing yourself to try to point the finger at others, you'd save yourself a lot by just giving yourself a break.

Get over your own self-delusions, and take a look in that mirror.

It's not too late for you to grow as a person!



You began this post by trying to preach to the OP, about what it takes to deal with women, versus just paying for sex...

and no matter how hard you try, you cannot get around the fact, that YOU are pay for sex, and aren't in a position to judge, nor criticize anyone, for that.

After all, if you were such an authority on how to deal with women -  YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE!!!!!!!!!!




By the way, I have peace my brother.


Maybe some day you will find yours...    


it's not too late.



Just start by asking yourself, why you are so bitter?


And remember that you're not fooling me, nor are you probably fooling very many others...

the more you profess not to care, and not to be bitter, all the more evident it becomes.



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