So girls please give the straight scoop ?  
For years I have only done reviews when asked by a provider. That explains why I only have a few here on TER and 70 + on P-411 ?  As P-411 seems to be have less providers is there any advantage to me adding any reviews on some of these HD hotties I have been seeing after covid ?  I always try and see p-411 girls first locally and when traveling but many times other sights have a much better selection. I think the days of visiting a new city and finding the top 20 % of providers on P-411 there are coming to an end. I have always paid for my TER VIP service so that's a non issue. I would like to thank any providers replying in advance as I would like to get as many viewpoints as possible
Thank You    

I would love to answer your question but I am not sure what it is. And what is "HD"?  
Are you asking if you should continue your membership with P411?

P411 I just got back on after a traumatic experience.

Yeah, reread this post 5 times and still no clue what the OP question is.

Why would I rely on a reference from anyone I do not know personally?

I am going to chime in on the references. I used to accept them instead of actual personal info, but half the time the provider would not respond and the other half of the time I would get "yeah, I think I saw him" or some other randomness that means nothing. Most of the time guys had to send me their info anyway to screen to book an appointment. It was a waste of my time and theirs. As to the personal information issue, I am very willing and able to find and work with a good screening program but at this time none exist. P411 *only* confirms you are a real person. There is no background check that they do. I don't want your information getting into the hands of scammers either but at this time we don't have a lot of options for screening. Obviously there are shitty providers just like their are shitty clients. How to weed them out for the safety of everyone and the industry as a whole is still to be determined. As I have said before, if someone has a good solution to this age old problem I am all ears.

Would a provider with or without p-411 view a client with a few TER reviews and a lot of p-411 oks differently ? Is there a advantage to having a lot of TER reviews to the average provider ?  Sorry for the confusion , I hope this makes my question more clear.  

Me personally, no. If someone requests an appointment with me via P411 I do not check on their TER reviews. If someone contacts me via TER I just proceed with the info on here and what I need to set up an appointment. I do not cross reference them. Some providers might, I do not. Other providers can chime on their policies. Please, for the love of everything holy, do not contact a provider and say that you are a "VIP member on TER with multiple reviews" and insist that is sufficient for screening. I also pay for Amazon prime and have written reviews on things I have purchased there, yet I highly doubt any client would use that as sufficient for me to be considered a reputable provider. If you tell me you are on TER and write reviews I skim them to make sure nothing derogatory was written but otherwise it does not factor into my consideration if I see a client or not. The gent above who thought TER was sufficient for me to see him was a no go.

I’ve always said references are good as additions to RL info, I never rely solely on references.

Not really seasoned in the game but I'd like know more on P-411. if it's anything as good as TER, I might consider jumping ship

I look at TER’s whitelist. I participate in whitelisting gents I have seen even if they do not write reviews. P411 okays mean nada no me.

P411 at least does SOME vetting of mongers. You may not consider it adequate and that's fine. But at least there's something. With a TER Whitelist there's ZERO vetting. Any girl can White List a guy whether she's seen him or not. For example, for many years I had a White List from a gal I'd never seen. I reached out to her to ask why and she never replied. Ergo, meaningless.
If TER has since added some criteria please correct me.

Unfortunately, people assume because it’s a verification site that they are vetted.  

I can’t imagine a provider viewing “few reviews written” as a negative. I think being a prolific reviewer would be more likely to be viewed with concern, if anything.

They are two different programs and work different. P411 is a "mild" verification site. You submit your information and they call your employer to verify you work there. I think they also let you on the site if two reputable providers can say they have seen you and you are safe. I think it is about $149 a year for clients (if I am wrong please let me know guys!!) After you see a provider on P411 if everything went good the provider can give you an "OK" that you saw them. You search for providers on P411 by location and it gives you a list and how many "OKs" they have given. It is a bit more difficult to get on P411 from the provider's standpoint so I would say the spam or fake provider profiles are really low, I would say 5% or less. Clients, feel free to chime in you have had a different experience. P411 does let a provider connect to their TER account and vice versa. P411 does not have any reviews. If you are a client you do have to pay to be on the site, it does not have a free basic option like TER does. You are not going to see a lot of new gals on P411, I would say it is more of providers that have been in the biz for awhile. If anyone has anything I missed please post!!  In closing I would say P411 and TER compliment each other but still provide a different service.

Ok so I do nuru and if you don’t know what nuru is its highly erotic Japanese massage that when done correctly literally blows your mind and load like you have not since you first discovered your dick. Yeah it’s that amazing . Issue is the nuru is thrown around in ads a lot and interrupted by the poster in many ways. Now I don’t know if it’s purposeful to mislead the booker or whether the lady simply saw it in someone else’s ad and decided to put it theirs without doing any research. Nuru is done a certain way with certain products and bottom line anything else used is wrong. Most try to use oil but that would be an oil rub or body rub not a nuru because you can’t slide with oil like you can gel. When you do this you are releasing the wrong chemicals into the brain creating a conflicting arrangement in the brain and body. So to continue on about reviews when these ladies are not reviewed on what they are saying in ad and doing when you get there it hurts my business because when someone who had a bad nuru sees the word nuru they think back to that bad experience and think well I don’t want that. I have made it my calling to get real nuru out there and it’s definitely been an uphill battle but one by one each person I show the difference pleases not only them but me. So in Short yes I feel reviews are important for what I do however for the majority  of ladies who all do GFe stuff only the mileage may vary but I still think leaving a review letting people know a bit of what went on and if she is real is helpful in this world of scammers. I also think leaving a review is important as only about 10% of guys actually do that see me. I know many don’t like to for anonymity reasons but knowing the person is the person in the photos and they show up etc and perform is important to those purchasing.

Home Depot 🤣 that was my go to when I saw it.

Doing reviews shows what type of person or lady you are into and that you understand the game or culture. You have to remember most of our inquiries are “Hey” , “Available” “
Rates” type messages and obviously if those type can’t write beyond that I Would not expect them to write reviews either. Ter is like a club one where you are helping guys and ladies. And usingp411 is great but I don’t put all my eggs in one basket either because remember sites go down as this site did for a bit. When researching anything like a say stock or an area to move to the more information you have the better and from multiple sources as well. Everyone has their opinions but there is a difference between opinion and knowing if someone is safe to see and not going to hurt or rip you off.

Personally, I am the top provider in Los Angeles or HD Hottie as you like to say, lol
I am on both sites. I definitely read reviews that potential new clients post, as well as check references individually. I think the reviews are helpful to read when I'm considering seeing a new client. Hopefully nothing is coming to an end, only getting better!  

To the best of my knowledge, a provider with P411 can see your OKs when you contact her through the site (as it includes your particular P411 ID, not real ID). If a provider isn't on P411 herself, you cannot contact her through the system and if you give her your P411 ID, she cannot look it up and see your OKs. So to your point, P411 OKs are meaningless unless the lady is herself a member.
 
As for TER reviews, if a client is a reviewer then I appreciate getting his handle so I can get a feel for the type of ladies he's seen, his writing/communication/date style, etc...it just helps establish a vibe. In this case, I prefer him to have had several reviews within the last few months. It just means that there's a greater likelihood of the lady remembering him when I contact her for a reference. If he's not had several recent reviews but can supply reputable/well-established references (and they actually respond🙄), that's fine as well.  
 
Between the two systems, I have a slight preference for P411 as the OKs are given by the provider whereas reviews are given by the reviewer. Having recently fought and had my first ever fake review removed, just because a guy wrote one of a lady doesn't mean he actually saw her...  
 
TLDR: The more transparent, readily offered and verifiable information a lady has, the safer she will feel... and the safer she feels is gonna be tied to accepting the date and her mood going into it. For best results, giver her any/everything she asks for... and then some😇  Caveat: ONLY after having done YOUR homework across multiple sites so YOU feel safe with HER.

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Also, trying to understand how white lists is any better than references? QB is strongly against references unless she knows the provider personally. And, I get it. But how is white listing any better? I mean, unless you know the provider who white listed personally?

I believe this precisely because of my own experience of having been Whitelisted by someone I never even saw. There is absolutely NO process to go through to Whitelist someone. So, to me, they are meaningless.

i don’t know what your methods are but i was rejected by a provider because she said i had no online presence for her to verify my identity!

It's a site that claims to verify the account is the person they claim to be, and then hides that personal information from general view. In other words, it tries to act as a trusted 3rd party so neither the escort or the customer has to exchange personal details.

How can you not have an online presence? That's....impossible.  
You are telling me that when you google your full legal name and the city you live in you find NOTHING???  
If you were rejected she is saying you gave her bunk information, bud. I was going to say you must be dead then, but even when I google my dead mom her obit is still there. I was going to ask if you were Amish and never got an SSN which may explain your lack of online presence, but if you were Amish doubtful you would be on an online hooker site trying to pay for pussy.  

Does a provider also wish it to be and it happens?  There must be some sort of action required to make it happen.  

Most Admirers do not realize that sharing their information outside of the P411 platform is making them vulnerable and is also against their policies.

Thanks for your input !

To E Cole
P-411 members can send a limited view of all of there OKS on P-411 to anyone if they have an email address. I use this feature a lot when getting verified with good providers outside of the p-411 envelope.    

For everyone's knowledge base. The older p-411 members were fully verified when Gina ran the business. I got verified as a new ( less than 10 years )  self employed business owner. For those who do verification like Banks, Insurance Companies   throw out a huge RED FLAG when they see ( Self Employed with less than 10 years of History ) . To get verified on P411 Gina requested the previous 3 years tax returns summary sheet and all of my LLC articles of incorporation. I have always told my close friends p-411 knows more about me than the IRS. Granted new members don't go through anything like that today. For providers who do see p-411 guys I think the start/ Join date has a lot of value when verifying new customers.        

I appreciate the clarification! Not being on that side of the equation, I'm sure there's plenty I'm unaware of. Thanks!🙏🏼

Great Point,
 Gina ( the person who started P-411 )  had a hard and fast rule, NEVER show or share your p-411 number because others could pretend to be a verified member with your ID number. It was like that for years until the ownership change, they did away with P411 handles we had used for years. Its kind of a classic example of a corporation buying something they don't understand. End result was admirers had no choice but use ID numbers to identify themselves with ID numbers. If the current owners want to grow the business rather than slowly let it go downhill it would be a very smart move to bring on Gina or others who worked for her as a consultant to help things along.          

Why would someone whitelist you on here you never saw? I mean, when you give someone an "OK" on P411 you get a $5 credit that you can use to upgrade advertising, so there is a smidge of an incentive to lie there if you are really hard up for $5. You don't get any credit on TER for whitelisting a client. Weird. Also on P411 the client has to actually request the OK and then I think (?) the client gets a message saying that a provider gave them an "OK". On TER you just click on the client's profile and enter a date, and I am assuming you don't get a message saying so and so whitelisted you. If there were a bit more moving parts I would trust the TER whitelists more.

No message. In my case, I didn’t ask, she didn’t tell, and for months I didn’t know. One day I went looking and saw I had a white list from months ago.

So it's a pretty easy process then.  Log in, find the client, add a date and done!  Sounds like a very easy and short process.

Gotta say it, that's a fine set!

The older P411 members did NOT need to be "fully verified" when Gina ran P411.  

With the exception of LinkedIn, if anyone Google’s my name they will get zero hits. Why? #1 because I have never used any social media, and #2 I’ve used DeleteMe for about 10 years now. DeleteMe removes all the data that data aggregators accumulate about you (Spokeo, Whitepages, etc.). You can do this for free but it takes hours and you have to do it every month cuz they constantly re-aggregate. I prefer to spend $130/year and outsource this to pros. They send me a quarterly report of their results and it’s always amazing.

I encourage everyone to do what works best for them.  

So you are doing something that makes it HARDER for you to get a job and to go on civilian dates. That makes zero sense. Your entire logic is counter intuitive. Scammers are going to find an easy way to get money from you, like the person that hacked into my Kohl's account and sent themselves $25. And if you are paying a "pro" $130 to "redelete" all of your info, you do realize there is a very good chance THEY are putting the data back so you will continue to pay them to delete it?? Of course it is "always amazing", you are not going to pay for a blank sheet showing you paid $130 for nothing. LOL  
You do you bud but that is a hard pass for me.

I personally have dated people who have zero online presence. I believe I have intuition about vibes and people in general. This hobby lifestyle is always supposed to be fun. Do you.

That there's absolutely no process involved?  Sounds like she doesn't know what she's talking about according to your previous post.  

i have an ancient linked in from my college days, no social media with pics (just an bare insta i use to view shorts people send me), and i use DELETEME…

DELETEME is amazing!

I suppose she would have to give the exact reason she backed out, so who knows. I am an open sex worker so my real identity is easily located. I am actually HAPPY when guys tell me that they found my personal FB or my commercial building. I also feel that if guys are sending me their info it is only fair that they are able to get the same info from me. It lets me know they are doing actual research vs. just thinking with their little head and blindly sending all of their info to book an appointment. I have had guys send me their screening info and then AFTER send me a message saying "how do I know you are real and not a scammer?" Really??? You are telling me you did a total of ZERO research? Don't do that. That is just complete stupidity and THAT is how guys get scammed. I am very open and honest with my clients, but I also expect the same in return. Not having a social media account is not a deal breaker for me, but having your existence scrubbed from the internet I find odd. I am hiding nothing about who  I am and have no issues with anyone finding anything on me. It would for sure make me pause to consider what someone is hiding if they felt the need to pay  $130 to scrub their existence from the internet. Just like the lady you tried to see, would also be a pass for me.

I don't think having your name plastered over the net with myriad of real name social media networks is a prerequisite for getting a date or a job.

Completely not the point I was making. This guy sent ALL of his information and MONEY to a "professional company" to scrub the internet of his existence, yet magically they keep coming up with all this "NEW" information that he has to pay MORE money for to get deleted? I have never heard of a better money making scam in my life! This guy is going to be paying for the rest of his life to get all that magically "new" information deleted!! LOL Wow. Just wow. For someone who claims that are trying to prevent being extorted, I have never heard of anything so silly in my life.  
There is a big difference of "flaunting" your real life existence on the internet and just existing like a normal human.  
Also no one has to have social media, I see lots of clients that are not on FB or X. Perfectly fine. I honestly have never had it happen before that I found absolutely nothing on a gent. So yes, if there was absolutely nothing out there at all I would take pause. Do I think you should post your SSN on the internet? No, of course not. But I honestly feel sorry for anyone who is duped by this "internet scrubbing" scam. I am honestly floored. You guys do you, but no. 100% no for me.

I agree with you about that company and that it's pretty shady and I wouldn't ever use them. Like you've said lots of reasons to not trust them.  

i chalked it up to comfort level as she was not ok with the information that was out there

LOTs of companies share information about their customers or service subscribers to a number of other companies. Companies exists to gather a lot of publicly available information, often marketing companies (so all the tracking cookies or pixels or ad-IDs on account like Amazon Prime or just the sales site if you buy stuff) that then sell that information to others. Lots of analytics companies doing all the "big data" stuff. So if you go online -- including just using you phone or car's navigation is enough -- you start generating information that is collected, analyzed, processed, matched with other data that is collected and all is then stored on line. Most of it is only kept "private" in the interests of the company collecting and selling it but much, when it get traded around or some companies (or even their home wifi router) gets hacked ends up in either open sites on the interest or one the "dark web" sites.  

I think you're wrong. When I joined P411 it was via a provider referral link in 2017. I never gave them any personal info, much less my employment information. After setting up my profile/account I received an email 20 minutes later stating that I was approved.

Yes, if I add you to my favorite's list as a non-P411 provider I can send you an invite to view my profile. Once you do I can also vouch for you if I've seen you and two such vouches gets you approved for membership.

I joined here in 2017 and had no idea what a whitelist is or that they existed until about 3 years ago. When I looked I was surprised to find that I had a bunch of them.

Yeah, pretty sure the "clean up" crews and the data collection centers would never be in cahoots. lol
Whatever helps you sleep at night!!!

P411 and TER are not similar sites and one does not replace the other. What you're saying about "jumping ship" makes no sense.

Claire
A great comment that aligns perfectly with my thinking.  Thanks for your thoughts.

Believe what you want. But you might want to actually do a little research before assuming you're conspiracy view is actually reality.

So a non-P411 provider can see your whole profile and OKs if you do something on your end... great to know! 🙏🏼

Thanks for bringing up a great point. I have no idea of how p-411 members where verified when P-411 just started. I do think from any startups standpoint in the 2000's  was like P411 " income is king " .  Any business operating on a subscription model in the start up months are desperate for any type cash infusion to keep the doors open. No doubt Gina was in the same mode and may have let a few early customers slip through. I do know Gina goals where to keep providers safe not to make a lot of money. My own experiences prove that screening was tight.  I have heard it over and over from so many great p-411 providers I have had the pleasure to meet. They all look back and say when Gina ran the show it was great for them. Its very self explanatory  to any one who has read any business books or classes.  Entrepreneurs who want to build something great almost always excel at starting a business. Those who simply want to make a lot money have a much higher failure rate. I certainty hope the new owners think about some of these issues. So far I am not that impressed.        

With your PII plastered across dozens or hundreds of data aggregators, you’re at much higher risk of scams and fraud. Difficulty dating or passing background checks is worth it to me. And they’re not in cahoots with others, I personally know the VC’s behind them. And like I said it’s been about ten years and the results are consistent. Since the UnitedHealth Care CEO got assassinated in NYC last year companies like this business are booming. Also Blackcloak.io. Anyone is welcome to call me paranoid, but I’m basically paying for what our spineless government won’t do, protect our privacy like EU countries.

What's so special about it that it eschewes all conventions?  

they assume they have more exposure to STDs.
I don't think that's a reliable measurement but I believe it does exist.

Depending on her reasons, I can’t entirely fault a provider for not wanting to see a guy with too many reviews. If she’s high volume, then I think it would be hypocritical. But not all providers want or seek the same  type of clients.

The only time the STI exposure is questioned in my mind is if the reviewer often talks about seeing providers and not using condoms, it really has nothing to do with how many reviews they have written. I have seen guys that are "prolific reviewers" and there were no issues. As long as the reviews are respectful I am OK.  I have had guys reach out to me to book and in the first message ask me if I provide "bare" services and that is an instant no, I will not see them. If you are that stupid to ask, and in the first message at that, I can only assume you are taking a lot of other very stupid risks in your life that I want no part of. In closing, personally for me it is the tone and content of the reviews, not the quantity.

I can't wait for the ladies to line up thanking you for putting to words what they've always struggled to do by themselves.  FYI, if an anorexic hooker needed to take a leave and seek therapy from seeing a review from some dude saying he felt like he was fucking a skeleton has much bigger issues than hurt feelings.  Probably not the line of work she should be in.  
I don't think I'd use that singular example as one of the "types" for your dissertation on what providers want, lol.

" I think being a prolific reviewer would be more likely to be viewed with concern, if anything"  

Everyone else apparently doesn't. Am I right here?
Doctors, lawyers, construction workers, contractors, massage therapists, fitness therapists, restaurant workers.... None of them have wants, amirite?

We are not trying to fuck them, after all.

As far as I know, clients have always been able to sign up for P411 without being fully verified, or without sharing their full info with the site, as long as they had provider references. That was the case in the beginning, and is still the case today. There is no "slipping through", it is their stated policy. That's one reason why some ladies want more than just P411 to thoroughly screen their clients.

I've definitely tried to fuck some female massage therapists.

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Why are you acting like your feeling are hurt by a comment by one provider? You don't even have 100 reviews, you have 35. I am sure there are guys that don't want to see me for one reason or another. I am not losing sleep over it.  Clients have the right to see the provider they want to see and providers have the right to see or reject a client for whatever reason as well. It is what it is. At least she is being honest. Move on.

It's never about me. It's about hypocrisy, double standards and penalzing of normal behavior of people who evaluate services and goods online in this business.  

There are providers that say they do not want reviews and there are providers that say they will not see clients that post reviews. There are providers that say they will not see clients that post on this site or other review sites. They have that right.  This is not new.  
I do not see clients without the screening information I require. I do not see clients that want "bare" services.  
Providers have the right to reject a client for any reason at any time. If the provider's rate, screening requirements, deposit requirements, etc. do not align the client has the right to forgo seeing the provider.  
Do you also think you as the client has the right to pick your price as well? Tell me you are not going to send me any screening information but I am still required to see you? Not use a condom if you don't want to?  
That is not how the real world works. There is nothing diabolical here, it is a voluntary transaction. Good grief.

I want to know WHY is reviewing 100 pussies on the internet is viewed as a bad thing. Why is it viewed as not an upstanding member of community - which is a REVIEW community. You see that sign that says the erotic REVIEW on this site? This is a site where people review stuff. The more the better.  

If you do not like that a provider has that rule don't contact them. Just like providers that read your posts and read your reviews have the right to not see you. You do not get to decide if a provider wants reviews or not.  You do not get to decide where providers advertise. You don't get to decide who is on this platform. Interactions in this industry are voluntary, as it should be. Sorry bud, but you are the one right now playing the smallest violin.

I joined P411 in 2017 when Gina was still running it. A lady I saw sent me a link to join after I saw her.  

I say providers have wants. You suggest sarcastically this means everyone else doesn’t. C’mon. We both know they all do.  

I asked - and I can go and on like Erykah Badu - WHY does someone with 100 reviews not considered an upstanding member of a REVIEW community that is based on... Wait to for it.....REVIEWS

Good question!! Because the "pussy owner" doesn't have to give you an answer why or why not.  See how easy that was??? LOL  

I asked what makes it special for them. Because clearly yes everyone has wants bit why does only this biz the sellers feel entitled. Why does every other business seller doesn't go around and shit on reviewers who are prolific.

I never once said it was okay for an escort to shit on a client for being a prolific reviewer. That’s completely twisting my words. I said I could understand why they may not want to see them. That’s all I’m defending, their right to not want to see a client who has reviewed lot.

You are not "putting sellers in their place". You are making fool of yourself and giving a lot of providers solid reasons not to see you. The only person with their ego acting up is you. You are not doing yourself, or the community, any favors right now.

This was the statement I took offense with

Brother, I’m not her. I was not defending her or her statements. I responded to you to make one point and one point only. That point was, and remains, a provider has a right to not see a client for whatever reasons, including if he’s a prolific reviewer and gave some reasons why I could understand such perspective.

Perhaps the most interesting posts I have read in over a decade! And, after a nice visit to this lady's careful and detailed website, it beomes one that would entice me to explore a return after a long long absence...
Temptation is such a thrill!

And now are just trolling me

Nope, scarlet. Never. Why would I ever do business with a seller who doesn't like prolific reviewers and shits on them?  

Well said but falling on deaf ears I'm afraid. I would think most people could read Clair's post and have a reasonable guess at what she meant but nothing wrong with asking. But not getting an answer it now has to go to the court of public opinion here where those that never made the statement are asked to explain it, and then chastised for not giving the required answer.

Well how come no one said what she meant?

Well, a lot of people simply don't try to speak for others. However, generally when anyone does that with you they find you're uninterested in the interpretation, unless you already agree with it, and find themselves a target for you to go after to promote whatever rant of the day you're one.

The question is answered, I then shut up.

Your behavior encourages people to write less reviews and to post less on this board. You and your underlying behavior are the cause of it. You. You are the problem. Do you understand yet? So yes, everyone on here gets it but you.  
If you want more guys to post reviews and you want more providers to be on this website focus on changing YOU.  
YOUR BEHAVIOR is the problem. You. Focus on changing YOU.

I put him on ignore ages ago.

I don't see how my behavior - pushing for more critical reviews and protecting reviewers and pushing back on people who make reviewers seem like bad guys - makes people review less. Everything else I don't care much about.  

The numbers don't actually support that. I don't claim they obviously refute the claim but clearly it's not nearly as cut and dried as you seem to think.

It appears that we are dealing with two definitions of "community."  I looked for the first post to include it and had to take a nap.  My interpretation of the first use of "Upstanding member of the community," is that it was a metaphor for someone that she would feel safe and comfortable with meeting in private, and the word, "community," has no connection to the hobby.  Team Rocket's interpretation is that it means a member of this TER community.  I could be completely wrong, but it's just my opinion and it's worth exactly what you paid for it.