Saw this. Nothing too important, just FYI. Where did she get the 95% M / 65% F orgasm figure?  
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/business-45271234/the-sextech-inventor-closing-the-orgasm-gap

I think Masters and Johnson came up with figures on the achievement of orgasm that had women more like at 25% of the time having an orgasm.

Rate of irgasm for me is between 99 and 100%.  Now that I no longer fuck women my own age, I rarely have to fake it.  As far as women go, The only times I can't make a pussy O is if she's actively resisting.   I'll be the first to admit this sometimes happens with higher volume providers that still have more customers to see the same day.  Just like with men, many O's can be tiring.

ROFLMAO  
Haven't  you noticed the women who wouldn't tolerate being with you if not for the donation, come quicker than the one who  would love you if you were broke.

but this time he left himself a much better "out" than the last time he stepped in it by allowing that

Providers take much longer to O than civvie women, even when they are receptive or want to have an O.  Twenty to thirty minutes of stimulation is normal, and some can take as long as long 4o minutes or even longer.  There are other variables that affect the length of time like whether its their first of the day, or have they already had a few.  However, if you know what to do, AFTER the first one, the second one will be quicker unless you take a long break and let her come completely back to rest.  This is the main reason 90% of my sessions are 2 hours or more.  As you suggest, its a substantial time commitment to get most providers to an O.  In a one-hour session, it leaves little time for her to show you what HER skills are.  

Once I get them on the outside and they are OTC, they cum much more easily.  It always takes longer during a session, so it has little or nothing to do with the donation.  Its curious that you use the term, "proper donation."  It suggests that you either short the girls sometimes, or are a "non-tipper" (a polite euphemism for cheap bastard - lol).  I can tell  from talking to some of my friends who were once non-tippers, and who have since become tippers, that the providers view you a lot differently when you consistently tip a respectable amount.  If this is the case for you, then its not surprising that YOUR view would be that every provider fakes it with every John.  If I were in your shoes, I would probably have the same narrow-minded view.

The reviews on another review site include a summary line consisting of acronyms which depict features/activities of the session.  Most are easily recognizable or decodable.  It took me a while to decode IOP, though.  It is "Illusion of Passion."  Reflecting on that ….. if the lady is good enough at creating the illusion then does it really matter to you if it is real or an illusion?  You are having exactly the same experience either way!

but in any case, this quote (or approximation) may be apt:

that we pay for.  If guys wanted reality, they would fuck their wives instead.  For me, reality would be fucking women my own age.  I think IOP is similar to GFE, also used to denote a fantasy experience, and certainly has a place in the monger lexicon.  

Fucking the same woman over and over again "until death do you part" might be someone else's reality, but not mine. Fucking women my own age wouldn't be reality, it'd be a fucking nightmare.

My philosophy:

as in the word copulate.

Then it should be "I fuck, so therefore, I am a fucker."

mental masturbation.

just jerking me off?

Sartre, Descartes, ... I'll bet that all you really want to talk about is the honor of your ball sack. What a Human Comedy this is.  
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- Je suis tourmenté par de mauvaises idées. ("I am tormented by temptations.")  
- En quel genre? Ça se guérit, les idées. ("What kind? There is a cure for temptation.")
- Comment? ("What?")
- En y succombant. ("Yielding to it.")
-- Honore de Balzac, from "Le Père Goriot" (in "La Comedie Humaine"), 1835.  
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(Seems to predate Oscar Wilde's "The only way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it." (Picture of Dorian Gray, 1890.))

I protested thus:

The hell with fantasy... I want reality...

give her enough time to brush her hair in the morning before you tell her to go make your breakfast.  Just sayin'.

from school are, "Which came first, the chicken crossing the road, or the egg?" and, "You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead."    

Can I help it if she decides to do it without brushing her hair? Besides, she knows I love that look and will reward her... 😎

that will even eat "tacos" for breakfast?  

but I bet her taco looks every bit as tasty.

I like all sizes, but have always been impressed with the dictum from my youth:

and I guess that's just another reason I like tiny women, my dick looks fucking huge going into a tiny mouth or held by tiny hands. And PLEASE, no fucking Trump jokes. lmao

...dick size discussion?

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't lead a horticulture.

A friend asked if I wanted to attend a lecture on empiricism. I said no because I had just filled up on Bacon.

I Kant believe you wrote that.

As much as I don't want to, I Kant avoid posting again to this wreck of a thread. (Be careful with the threads! Euripides, Eumenides. Am I clear?)  
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It's like a Nietzsche that just has to be scratched. Well, by Hooke or by crook, I'll just Goethe the point.  
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Your (plural) stupid puns and double entendres have sewn Confucius and discord among us. The pressure is building up inside me, to so many Pascal. I have to go Against Method and, though I don't want to flame you guys, I must be a bit of a Feyeraband in order to get my point across. (I really want to Locke all of you up and throw away the Keynes. Or maybe shoot each and every one of you (except Rasha   , of course) with Zeno's Ken Arrow and, I warn you, I AM HALFWAY THERE ALREADY!) I'll just put Penn to paper and try to Russell up some of my thoughts even though I can't be Thoreau in this small space. Some of you might want to Hegel with me; some of you might want to agree and Eco my sentiments.  
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I note that many of you are somewhat loose with your usages. You select names or concepts and mold them to your allegedly humorous purposes as if they were willing lumps of colorful Plato rather than well established, well formed ideas. It annoys me and makes my blood Boyle. It pains me so much that my eyes become Dewey and tearful.  
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Some of you are probably not following this and are sitting there with one finger up your nose while you Epicuras with the other hand.  
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My rant could go on for an hour, another hour, or even a Schopenhauer.  
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I'd like to try to end on a friendly note. Please sing along:  
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So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine? Could you be mine?
Won't you be my Niebuhr?

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What do you take me Fourier? Some kind of Fouillee? Let me be Franck: I have now halved the distance to my quiver of Zeno's Arrows and I am not a-Frede to use them, when I get there.

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Congratulations. You managed to Russell up the final pun.

IMO Anything more than the proper donation she usually mentions on her web site is considered a tip.

but then he will insist on painting with that broad, self aggrandizing brush of his and he ends up giving the rest of us a good belly laugh at his expense.

fucking time!!!  Thank you!  Lol

from your posts you seem to be jaded about the industry to the point that I doubt you have ever gotten past the sex-for-money dynamic yourself WITH any provider.  Now you are suggesting that their O's have something to do with the SIZE of the tip, when all I said was tippers generally get better all around service than non-tippers, , which makes me think that getting a provider to O is scarce for you in your hobby activities.  It might be that you are just bad at it.  Some guys can tip as much as they want, but will still not get the girl to an O.  The intensity of the O has more to do with the skills of the person performing the DATY, as I'm sure lady mongers would attest, and if you had much experience with women, you would know this and realize what a stupid assertion it was to ask if the O's get more intense with a bigger tip.   The girls I know tell me that once they know a guy is bad at DATY (I have never heard of a woman that is bad at DATY) , they will either fake a quick O a few minutes in, or else avoid it altogether.  You seem older than a millennial, so I am surprised you don't know more about women's orgasms than you appear to.  

Just because you know/knew a lesbian doesn't mean you have the slightest idea how to eat a pussy, just like knowing gay guys doesn't make a woman a world class cock sucker.  

All I know is that I have often been told that I "eat pussy like a woman", to which I used to respond, "Is that bad?"  The answer was always the same . . . . . "No, that's good."   I have to agree with most of the details you gave.  As you often point out, my posts are often in general terms.   I'm sure there are Lesbians that don't know how to eat pussy, just as there are men that don't, but the one I learned from was touted to me by a VERY Bi-girl I was dating as the BEST she had ever had, so we set up a threesome, and I went to school.  I beg to differ with you on your claim there is no "universal" knowledge about the "secret" to pleasing a woman.  There are some techniques that ALL women like, at least the ones I've met.  That's like saying no two guys like their dick sucked the same way, and that there are "secrets" to sucking dicks that a lot of women don't know.  Most guys get the "same" technique from a particular woman, and MOST will come away happy with the experience, so why does she need to pay attention to how each guy reacts?   How many guys do you know that blow in a girl's mouth and then complaint it was a bad blowjob?  If they cum, do they really care how you got them there?  Its the same for women.    (Granted, some are better than others, but its not a "secret.") Do you see the irony in how "foolish" and I will add, "naïve",  YOU sound?  And for the record, I have no idea about gay men sucking cocks, I will have to leave that to you "experts."   Its disingenuous to compare two hot women eating each other's  pussy to two men sucking each other off.  Its apples and oranges to most of us straight men who would love seeing two women eat each other, but would have no interest in watching two men.  

I only have a moment to respond, but as to your last statement about the threesome I mentioned, it was quite the contrary. Yes they were both providers, but the overly aggressive one was not "gay for pay" she was the exact opposite, she only dated women in her personal life, but didn't mind getting a bit of dick for pay.  

until you are forthcoming with all of the details, something you call others out for when they don't give the whole story up front.  I admit nothing, but for the sake of argument, "IF" someone has to pick up after me, its better that its you than someone here that doesn't know what they're doing.  It might be a full time job SOME days, but I'm not ever  paying you, so don't even ask.  BTW, I know plenty of Lesbians and gay men.  I started out my business career in an industry that has a very high proportion of gays to straights.   Currently, my right hand man (general manager) of my principal business is a Lesbian who has been with me for 25 years.  She's the only one in my org that I trust with the info that I'm a monger.  Sometimes, after work, we go out for happy hour and swap stories about some of the great pussy we have each had.  

“Currently, my right hand man (general manager) of my principal business is a Lesbian who has been with me for 25 years. ”

but if this woman has been with CDL for that long she must be at least well into her 40's, so unless she is both Asian AND very well preserved I doubt very seriously that lopaw is going to have any more interest in this woman than you or I, or even CDL for that matter.

two years younger than me, so she is well into her 50's.  A year after we first met, and shortly after she told me she was a Lesbian (I had no clue until she told me one day after a few drinks because she wore tight skirts, high heels, revealing blouses and full makeup, not exactly what my own narrow-minded view of what a Lesbian was at the time), I jokingly told her if she spent the night with me, I could "convert" her to liking men.  She said okay, as long as SHE could bring a strap-on and convert ME to liking men.  Coincidentally, the idea of the two of us getting together never came up again.  Lol    She's  still in pretty good shape, but at her age, her civvie options are starting to disappear unless she wants to settle down with some OTHFB, so I have suggested she join the ranks of us mongers and get all the 30-somethings she wants.  She's thinking about it.  I agree with your conclusion that Lopaw would not be interested unless she was a well-preserved Asian woman, which she is not.  

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If you hope to be known as pedantic and not befuddantic  the least you should  do is  spell my explication
 of your writings  as written.
     
 "Thanks for another laugh, kindistorted  guy"  
   
You won't catch me using auto correct, laziness could  lead to mindlenfusion.  

the guys that go to such great lengths to try to impress with big words use the wrong ones and then say it was an "accident."  Priceless., AND predictable.  Jake has been MIA, so its up to the rest of us to call out the fake "intellectuals."   I can imagine that you spend about the same amount of time each week looking up words as I do fucking providers.  We each have our own priorities, I guess.  

If you ever imagined me as a wanna be big word intellectual, an elitist of any sort or a braggart, you are on another one of your gullible imaginary journeys.
   
  On the other hand it's very possible, judging by your rambling,  you are merely dumbed down beyond belief.
   
I admitted my spelling  of paid was a mistake but I did find it hilarious  I payed out rope  YOU  grabbed,  when you misspelled my intentional word chopped description of you as  kindistorted  guy.
  Try copy and paste next time for better results.  
   
   Does your lesbian friend give you refresher DATY lessons to ensure  your Tipped  Pay4Play Gals give you more fake orgasms than a kindisorted  guy  could ever dream of ?  

That's why I mocked you by saying you give the finger to autocorrect.   The nonsensical words most likely would have been changed to something else, so you had to purposely spell them like that, which I agree, was NOT an accident.  

.... but I'd be much more willing to share monger tips than a bed with your gal pal

There are two Kgirls offering doubles in the BA right now, and I hear they are into girl-girl action (they're billing it as a "two girl SHOW"), so if either of them head this way on tour, I will shoot you a PM.

I'm way late to the party on this topic, but I dont think that being a lesbian automatically makes her a pussy maestro. Each human being is different, some like it gentle, some prefer a rough approach. While I would think a woman would me more adept at finding another womans sweet spots than a completely clueless male....that does not mean that their technique is a given to the promised land. I've been with many women, and usually have to adjust my technique to each woman. Some tell me I'm the best, but I've had others that I wanted to slap on the thigh to see if they were awake, and a myriad of responses in between. The more times with a partner... the more successful I've been at bringing her to orgasm, simply through learning her body. I rather imagine that lesbian partners experience the same " trial and error".

...because that is a PM that I don't wanna miss.

THEN I will post here that you should get PM.  No way to know in advance when that will be, so no need to act now.  

...who asked me to check back with him in a few days to see if he had any traveling girls heading down our way who were up for some g/gplaytime. He was by far the friendliest most communicative booker that i have ever encountered, so props to him. I think I really got him when I mentioned that I was "a very generous lady client", lol.  

goes a long way with the girls, but they also  tell the booker who the customers are who tip well, so you get some currency with the booker as well.  I have had some top-tier girls that even told the booker to give me priority, which means if I ask for a certain time slot that is already taken, the booker should move the other customer so that I get the time I want.  I mostly book two hour sessions on girls I am repeating with, and that will get some priority with most bookers, too, as well as indies.  How many threads are started here by one-hour mongers complaining they got cancelled at the  last minute by an indie.  Its easier to take when an agency does it because they will have another girl that is available at the time you wanted if you're not flexible that day to take a later time with the girl you originally asked for.  With indies, when you get bumped, you either have to start over trying to find a replacement on short notice, or else go home and rub one out (Don't try to tell us you haven't done that - lol).

being a Lesbian was enough, anymore than I would say every guy with a  dick knows how to use it to maximum effectiveness for a woman's pleasure.  This particular Lesbian was hand-picked by my bi-girlfriend as the best pussy licker she had ever met, and she  had been  with many Lesbians, so I just took her word for it.  Its just like playing the violin, if you want to be good, you first learn form the best teacher you can find, and then you spend the rest of your life practicing, which for me and pussy, is usually three or four times a week with different girls.  With that said, I will agree with others here that everyone is different in what they like (by way of example, I don't ever ask for Greek, but will do I if the girl is into it and asks me to).  I have found that there are some techniques that every girl likes, but there are also some that many don't like, and the "dislikes" vary from girl to girl.