But you don't know he didn't verify with them, do you?
 
It's seriously risky business going back to biblical times, I don't think anybody denies that. My advice on the topic of giving PII to indies is unchanged.

Some provider reaction to the arrest on SW Twitter

It may be impertinent to ask, I can only hope not, but did anybody see his TER profile before it was pulled? My guess is it was deleted back when he was arrested, but I don't know.

1) No one here advises against girls screening. The debate is only whether or not to give up personal info to do it. Believe it or not, it IS possible to screen adequately without it. Lots of girls manage.
2) The poster above to whom you replied is correct: how do YOU know none of the victims screened? There is ZERO about that in the Post article. Using a burner phone and having a fake email address does NOT automatically brand anyone a serial killer. If that were true half the Johns in America would be serial killers. Hell, I'D be a serial killer.
So, girls, please be safe and screen all you want. But the list of guys who were outed with personal info is a LOT longer than the list of girls murdered by serial killers.

No, I read the Forbes article and a local TV station (chanel 4 I think). I'll take a look. No offense was meant, I only asked.
 
"No one deserves to be murdered for offering sexual services in exchange for money." --There's nothing about the way we treat prostitution in this country that's deserved, and it's what contributes to this type of tragedy more than anything else.

Good stuff them catching the sicko. DNA evidence in last twenty years enabled really amazing stuff. My heart goes out to victims.

What was his TER ID/user name or his P411 handle?

It would be interesting to read his reviews...

Actually some women are more comfortable and more trusting  with this type of client which plays into the hands of the killer easily. Ted Bundy etc are examples.

CKS was being stupid when he pulled one tweet from the OP and titled his link with a FICTIONAL handle.  CKS stupidly makes all TER members look bad.

Is this 100% confirmed?

LOL. Look directly above my post (in tree view).

I assumed that the tweeter was being facetious about Pussyking69.  Not seeing any evidence that he was on TER; however,  apparently some of his victims were.

Well that sucks. I'm not feeling particularly ghoulish right now. 🙃

We can close that one. I'd say something light, but maybe not in this thread.

he was an architect freely going about doing what he was doing.  How in hell would have screening saved any one of these gals lives???  Middle age, white, professional class...looks like he checks all the boxes for what the gals are looking for provided he would hand over his PII which would have probably given ZERO indication of what kind of guy he is.  Yeah, read the twitterers triggered upon hearing "professional/middle age/white" but I've read plenty of gals requirements clearly stating No AA, nobody under 30 etc.  

At some point in time.........Just about everyone has used burner phones

There were times when he cooperated with a provider's screening.  The linked article from the NY Times has a picture of the suspect with the caption "Prosecutors say Rex Heuermann took selfies that he sent to help arrange sexual assignations."  So he sent selfies when he was asked.  Did he send them to the poor women he killed before he met them?  We don't know.  We don't know how those meetings were arranged, or where they took place, or any of the details, at least not yet.  

Since I'm not a serial killer I have nothing to fear. And I doubt there are any other serial killers here.
We are all (including you) nothing more than serial breakers of laws that shouldn't exist.

I have never.

Exactly how would obtaining PII have saved these women?

Bad people do bad things, and this guy is not just a bad person, he is a monster.  Monsters will seek out victims where they can find them.  In this case, this monster selected providers because he saw them as easy targets.  We'll never know if these providers would have had strict screening procedures, that this guy would have chosen other targets, but that is a plausible possibility.  Obtaining his PII probably would not have saved these women, but it may have saved some other potential victims.  These providers having his PII possibly could have put LE on his trail before he had another chance to strike again.

PII..... I'll provide some; only if provider has plenty of "presence" in the industry. But, I limit to what I'm comfortable. If lady wants more, I'm gone. Fella's, there are plenty of ladies out there.... If she wants info you are not comfortable with- STFU, and move along!

I see the rules about posting names and links to articles mentioning names only applies to when agencies or providers get arrested (e.g. XOC)? There's no legitimate reason that references can't be made to publicly available information, as has been done here.  

That the mere ASKING for PII might have caused him to go elsewhere. But this monster was clearly going to find a victim.  

Having personal experience, that's a weird one on the rules.

Use RWI but also ask for references, screening services and white lists.

I wonder because when I joined year's ago Gina made me produce articles of incorporation and a lots of other info I would not give to the IRS. Verification is the key to keeping everyone safe. I am not saying p-411 is the answer but it seems to be the best we have ? Some  providers don't like it but what is the alternative. It seems to have a definite standard would be  better than just send me a picture of you DL which can be easily faked ?  My thoughts are in support of all of the great provider out there.  

who knows if he had a  ter membership or p411 or date-check or escorts.com  those days..But I can tell you one thing He was a regular at the Hollywood in Farmingdale off of 109 across from the small airport.

WOW wow wow she went that far and beyond to make you do that !,awful wonder how long ago this took place ? because all she asked me was for my DL and my website and a picture of myself .I knew she was in a heat of trouble with the feds in the usa till she perm stayed in Canada and sold her company ,but now P411 is just a shit show not the same like it was when Gina ran it .

It does for me Hit home ,since I moved out of long island In 2015. The  time a few years back the G gals were found murdered and then the baby and guy ,I started to hate long island, fear for my life like every other escort who was well known at that time out on long island.  
I also owned a bachelor party co for strippers for parties ,so I was extra extra careful and worried for the safety of everyone around us. It was no joke for escorts and all sex workers, some of us  changed our cell numbers afraid.  The cops and detectives wanted US to give them our phones and black books  to help them find the killer or killers that were responsible for this ,we would all get an unusual calls asking if we knew anyone ,It was scary times we were on our tippy toes - a lot would only see there regulars and anyone of the regular's could have been a killer, we would say and the sad part is ,he didn't go after just young naive girls ,I know who he is! I'm sick to my stomach .These professional men  spill the beans and talk about their families and situation at home . . He used the hollywood in farmingdale s many freaking times OMG  extended stay in melville ,we at that time didn't know who to trust. rumors were flying everywhere. A lot of us communicated by phone to another friend if we had an outcall to do. what kind of truck or car was he driving and his license plate. You all seem to forget those days nobody really screened ,I know it's so hard to believe., Its nothing like these days where we have to be extra careful and screen ,but a lot of ladies that traveled from out of town , easy check in and check out ,hardly any hotel security on long island nassau and suffolk.  . Alot of escorts, didn't have websites, or provide appt forms to fill out. lot of us had strict rules, professional guys had to obey the ones with websites/reviews.
The professional men also  used craigslist and back page They weren't on eros,eccie ,p411 and probably not ter ,They aren't looking for a trail or trace if they get a bad review about them selves the guy would get a new burner phone .They didnt have text apps ,or google voice or VoIP none of that .last thing any family guy wants is a paper trail leading to him let alone a hair. ,you can never be too careful ,People always get sloppy and always get caught one way or another.

and now the knew  going around is not just buddies handing over their info to friends, also working girls on that site are giving it to other girls who don't belong to p411 so now, the new thing is, they want you send your dl and info to update their system and search  out who's doing it ! ,why in the world would I jeopardize my acct that I have been on since gina opened in the first place.

That makes it real.🙏😳

I never give up personal information for screening.  I have recent provider references, and if that is not enough, I will move on to the next provider on my list until I find one that is satisfied with the glowing references I get from their fellow sex workers.  

But even if they screened this guy to the fullest.  Looks like he would have come up clean.  
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Ironically, having screened him to get real ID, he'd HAVE to kill them to prevent being identified, rather than, say, just beating them up or something, in which case they would be alive to make a complaint.
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Giving Up PII is a No-No unless you can afford the consequences of a bitter provider outing you if she for any reason of her own decides to expose you. All it takes is one unhinged provider who is unhappy with a review or just doesn't like you. Providers don't give up their real names, identities and employers and neither should OPs. As for the predators, they will always figure out a way around the screening process. Discretion is essential for all parties.  

and be more trusting which worked unfortunately. IMO that's not screening. Not even close.

Yes bad people do bad things!  nobody put a gun to his head and told him he better or else ! we all have skeletons in our closet.but you don't go act out on innocent girls who did nothing wrong, but provide a service to you .What's his excuse going to be insanity ? he took bottles of pills? while his wife was out of town ,heard noises in his head, Thats called having two different personalities and being crazy in the head.?  
I dont buy it ! I am so sure his wife, has been out of town in the past 10 yrs , there are probably more bodies no body reported! .Maybe he was  friends  with that whole crew of guys at that party in oak beach? It doesn't give him the right to take someone's daughter,aunt,sister best friends and murder them and have no freakin remorse.Dont tell me he snapped either or another Murdaugh less fortunate family member Daddy goes wacko !,He will probably hang himself or someone will do it to him, while he is in jail waiting trail .forget him being a montser ,someone's going to feed him his own balls !

I saw the same photos - they were side by side with his actual appearance.  In his selfies, he changed his hairstyle and put on a pair of black horn-rimmed glasses.

but he wasn't caught by screening.

I am wondering if he was connected to the murders of the sw in southern nj near the casinos? , because at that time, girls were missing, ended up dead along the highway. Le were thinking it had some connection ? Omgoodness 2008 2009,2010,2011,2012,2013,2014, cash flow was crazy those days, anything and everything was going on in long island ,people just turned their heads, minding their own . ,You never ever heard of sex workers and that many missing or getting murdered, so it was a shock to every sex worker out on long island. It was not swamped with tons of sw like it is now. I know there were less traveling sw who didn't come
 to visit long island when the bodies of the missing were found, and how the Tv channels would play it over,over and over again every channel. Even our regular clients were freaking out , hoping the best for our safety.,a lot of my whales made me call them to let them know I got home safe.
If a client called, we made sure we got his full name ,age occupation and if he belonged to any paid sites or boards and we needed referrals of other providers.
We had way more escort sites, escort agencys,review sites, vip sites,paid sites, and maybe about 200 more..The turn over for gals visiting long island and living there is nothing like it has been the last couple of yrs.I miss long island I had the best times there !.

The only answer would be if the business was legal and regulated - but I don't see that happening in my lifetime. Maybe one day.

Seems everyone is fixated on screening. But IMO bad vibes are the tell tale signs of risky encounter. It seems this killer had a lot of temper problems and often acted out in public. Someone like that is going to give off bad vibes to any provider he contacts. It seems he purposely targeted low-end/desperate providers since they don't screen or listen to their gut.