"Hey Switterverse!  

Here is the new Code of Conduct. In short:

- No reviews
- No affiliate links
- No posting on behalf of any other party without consent.
- No explicit language or acronyms to refer to specific sexual services within listings"

Easy rules to follow

But TER still available 😜

Hopefully folks will continue to Tweet (and Toot!) and get the word out that TER is still standing, VPN/TOR, switching over to international profiles, etc! The site is still here and functional, we just need to get the word out so we can get traffic back up! I've been posting every day on twitter, and I know many others have been as well.  

IMO TER is still the best resource for information in the hobby. (And yes that goes both ways!) It's been invaluable to me over the years and is still king in many markets.  (DC/SF/NYC etc) To my knowledge, no comparable replacements have popped up yet.

TER would continue to be useful if more girls were moving their locations to outside the US -- word about that has taken a long time to circulate.  

And Switter will be useless until they offer location searching. I could live with the code of conduct mentioned but it is very frustrating to see all of those posts from people who are thousands of miles away.

They don't want reviews because they want providers to be able to offer poor/dangerous/scammy service and have it not impact their business. It's a system setup by women who hate men to exploit dumb, horny men.

The only counterpoint I see as valid was how TER had their review system set up caused some major butt-hurt with tiers of possible maximums based on services offered, which most knew was flawed and simply worked around it. Some SJW oriented providers saw this as "coercion" and that's undoubtedly where this anti-review sentiment comes from.  

 

 Switter, at this point, is no more useful than twitter, and it seems to be even more toxic and catty. It's essentially what happens when all of the low-end backpage providers get together and make their own twitter clone. Sure, there are some classy mid to high end providers on switter, and you can tell that they're using it as an advertising platform and not actually interacting with anyone. Most have just refused to participate at-all, and I can't blame them.

 

At this point, the market is wide open, and it's only a matter of time before we get TER 2.0. I for one won't settle for regression.

Switter listing can be searched by location.

All,

 
This my opinion and its going to offend. If dont like my opinion sorry.

 
Yes you read much about anti reviews. And you will read more about anti reviews. There always been and always will be feelings about anti review. Reviews as a whole have many different parts. Even I have been victim of fake and or bad reviews, its part of life and do business, and I accept it. I think most are anti review when it includes or if it includes a lie, or details too graphic for the providers comfort. So if a review system has no recourse for reviews that are FALSE then no provider will encourage it.  

 
I believe the vast majority of anti reviews providers include providers who have a reason to not want reviews. They see the reviews for what they offer to be a negative business marketing for others. In other words they don't want be compared to their competition. Many providers say and i agree that reviews make some compete on a unfair level. A provider who only does a CBJ, has hard time compete MAYBE with a provider who allow BBBJ. So their choice is turn down business or perform on a level they are not happy, comfortable with.  

 
Why providers and even clients too stupid to confuse a review with a verification beyond me. Example is simple questions like did you meet xyz, were photos accurate, was rate as advertised, is xyz real, would you repeat? That is not review, that is a form of verification. P411 is perfect on that account. Anyone suggesting reviews be limited to that should simply understand thats a form of validation, verification not a review.  

 
I am not everyone cup of coffee. Some don't like small size, some don't like young, some don't like asian. I am not sophisticated social butterfly good to take to company events. I make clear on my website what I am. I make clear my english a bit broken. Review me for what I say I am not what you want to mold me into. For the most part my reviews do exactly that. And I think they do mostly that because I take time and effort on my website to make sure a client knows in advance.  

 
It my opinion that things change. First off, have you taken a look at the many sites that recently pop up. OMG the switter a mess. Its a relocation of so much cheap trash, yes I not afraid call it as it is. You can have some of the best of the best, way better than me, advertising right next to providers that offering car dates. The other day I see AS ( not say full name but those of you in the Cali area should know who I talking about) advertise some of the most hot high end providers in Cali. Followed by an ad for a provider putting 20 emoji in her ad just like backpage crap offering pick her up for quick car date.  

 
Second take a look at all the new sites up on day gone the next. Providers who simply posting phone number. No website, no email just phone number. The can get new name new number every 2 weeks. I feel sorry for clients who trying navigate that crap. How can you know they are not bait switch, upsell, LE what ever. These providers will never want review, probably not even want verification.  

 
Finally there has for as long as I have been in business an anti review people. That will never go away and it is what it is. Informed clients that will always look for a way to make sure they getting a known thing. That they purchasing from a known entity. That the product is a know product. I dont like the idea that a companion is a product or reduce it to that but I dont know a better word use. Clients and providers need open eyes to outside world. I look for a plumber i use a An***s List, my lawyer i get from his reviews on a legal forum, everything is get reviews in this time and age.  

Just my opinion

ChristineGFE

+1

Nothing offensive in stating the facts and current conditions. Many feel as you do.

And a loss for good

Your response is quite insightful and well written.  I like your reasoning and thought process.  I agree switter is a somewhat of a mess right now.

I agree that reviews were not perfect but without reviews it feels like I'm throwing Hail Marry Pass with no lights in the stadium. My biggest concern is trying to avoid BBFS providers which has become very hard. Before with the STD site up and running there was a line between the two sides and the line has been wiped out with the latest events.  

Want to mention why reviews are useful and I don't want to sound like I'm defending BP/STD site refugees. I hate those dirtbags as much as the providers they have been bothering since STD site went down. I want to talk about reviews from the point of view of clients that providers love seeing.  

These are guys in age group 40-60 who work hard and have a family, but sadly, this individuals sex life is boring or does not exist and he is looking for a fantasy. The easiest way to fulfill the void is seeing a provider and would need $300 - $600 for an hour of fun. The client needs to save up this money without the wife finding out or there will be a lot of PIA. Finally the client saves up the money without the wife figuring it out. Client is fantasizing about amazing BBBJ with DT and CIM, but without reviews the client has no idea which provider can offer this experience. Asking the girls directly is a bad idea because girls on Twitter are ready to blacklist any guy that asks questions about sexual acts. The client has to take a chance on a girl that is attractive to him and hope that she does not offer only a hand job. If the date turns into an none oral friendly event the guy is going to feel like crap for spending the money and now has to restart again hoping the next one will be what he is looking for.  

Right now most clients that girls love seeing are very hesitant. Reviews gave a good idea of what the experience will be like and 90% clients also did not believe the degrading/insulting reviews that some scumbag wrote as a revenge or was just bored.

The only compelling argument that I see against reviews is that they are essentially depictions of a criminal activity and can be used against both providers and clients as evidence.

Everyone knows what "donation" and "roses" are code words for, and if I had a nickel for every time I had to tell a BP or LS girl that the "law enforcement" check was worthless.... (Not that I minded them copping a feel, so to speak.  

If it weren't for sites like TER and P411 I'd still be on those shitty bargain basement sites getting shitty service, or dealing with bait and switch artists.  

There's a market for reviews and there's little anti-review activists can do to stop them.  It's only a matter of what form they'll take and where they can be safely stored.

Of all these new sites popping up.  
When sites like TER and others that are making money off of long lists of paying members are watching their asses why jump on the first ship to come along.  

Eden

....and honestly I am kind of relieved. I can't see reviews fitting into a Switter type format, and the potential for abuse (from both sides) was thru the roof. I have met 4 ladies so far thru switter and each session was excellent. I had not seen any reviews for any of them, tho they each made sure to vet me. I went in cold and am very happy. I suppose I might have just gotten lucky and chose wisely based only on my interaction with them on switter and then the follow up's thru text/email. I plan on continuing pursuing providers there, reviews available or not.

I've met two ladies through Switter and I'm in pre-screening for a third and so far, so good.  But the first woman I met had two positive reviews on two different sites (plus a personal website with pictures) and the other woman was on P411 so I was able to see what she offered when I looked at her profile.  Same deal with the third one.

If I don't have reviews then that's fine so long as I know what's on each provider's menu before I make an appointment.  If P411 gets rid of the "OTHER DETAILS FOR" section on provider's profiles then they'll become a useless as TER.

Most of what you've posted lately would scare them off.   Negativity is bad, dude!    

When I post on XO Companions boards I notice there is auto-correct in place similar to spell check.

GFE corrects to:  very friendly
BBBJ corrects to:  verbal skills
CIM corrects to: beverage.

-- Modified on 5/1/2018 6:54:31 AM

-- Modified on 5/1/2018 9:28:46 AM

steganography over cryptography.

END OF MESSAGE

for Smartie.   It will become the tunnel of toxic waste.

I've never had an issue seeing who I want to see.

 

But what exactly have I said that will scare off a potential provider?

I've gotten a few PMs from well reviewed TER girls who were very supportive, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

Ms. Lancaster but considering what reviews are now how much information would you really glean.  I am thinking if I am in your position I might be talking to fellow providers even more.  Now a review can't tell you as much as it did previously. You're right about Ter. There is another site that  gives you good regional discussions and it still has advertising but nothing is like TER.

I just cancelled my VIP subscription today due to that very reason. No reviews/intel=no incentive for me to pay for VIP at the moment. Hopefully they will decide to bring back the US reviews at some point. Fingers crossed!

I'm familiar with the other regional (PNW) board you are referring to, and although tempting, they require far more personal information than I am comfortable giving. I'll hang up my heels and retire before I send nude selfies, face pics, & photos of my passport to the mods of a hobby board.

How does the "OTHER DETAILS FOR" section on her p411 profile tell you what's on her menu? To me they're just a bunch of generic terms with interpretive meanings. Or am I missing something? That section is in no way a replacement for reviews in any form.

lots of people know about it ... they just don't want to have their profiles out there. With all changes I can understand the implications on why...

and some blocked me on twitter LOL! oh well. I am not paying new sites just because....

Never said it was a replacement but if a provider's profile lists the following things then it tells me quite a bit.  And when we make contact via PM I can ask her about specific acts because we've both been screened and there's a higher level of confidence than just cold texting and asking about rates and BBBJ.  It's been working for me so far.

Example:

OTHER DETAILS FOR V------- V---  

All Ethnicities Welcome     All Gender Identities Welcome     Amateur Stripper     Bisexual
Body Rub     Casual Attire     Contact via Email     Contact via P411
Contact via Text     Couple Friendly     Dancing Date     Dinner Date
Dirty Talker     Disability Friendly     Domination     Escort - Private Setting
Escort - Public Setting     Fantasies     Fetishes     Foot Fetish
Girl Next Door     Girlfriend     Kissing     Lingerie
Long Term Arrangements     Low Volume     Manicured     Openminded
Overnight and Extended Visits     Passport Ready     Reference Friendly     Role Play  
Senior Friendly     Under30 Friendly     Upscale Attire     Willing to Travel     YMMV

This list of items isn't perfect but it gives me something to work with when choosing a provider.

Yes the "other details" part of a provider's profile on P411 is very helpful for some of us in determining whether a lady will be a good fit or not. It can't take the place of a full blown review, but right now it has become my gold standard.

There may be others but I have noticed these items are no longer available for the ladies to list in the "other Details" section of their profile
- Female Condom
-Greek Goddess
-Reverse Body Rub

I agree have seen many women on Switter with an anti man/client attitude in their postings.

Pushing how good it is there are no reviews, where to blacklist a man if they do anything wrong, etc.

Without any reviews and ladies unwilling to talk with you about things Switter is not very useful it seems.
I will not take a chance on a lady I do not know and without any reviews to see.  

I am going to the sugar babies

find reviews for Sugar Babies?   I am always amazed that there are guys here that will badmouth seeing professionals and then turn to amateurs, thinking they will avoid a bad experience.  It seems counterintuitive to me.  If you're willing to see an amateur, why not just go to a bar or club and pick one up for free?

Providers and Sugar Babies are apples and oranges.

 

 

 Sugar babies are potentially less jaded, less experienced, potentially younger, and there's an emotional aspect to sugar babies that is inherently avoided in the rest of the hobby world. I don't think anyone is looking for PSE with a sugar baby, and you're never going to get a CBJ in the sugar world, which seems to be a big hangup in the no-review world, so there's some benefits there if it fits your needs.

 
 I personally use snapchat to pre-screen all of my sugar babies. It's piece of mind for both parties because we can see each other and interact in a non-serious or threatening way, and I know that I'm not walking into some LE trap (unlikely unless you're a scumbag liable to end up 'accidentally' meeting with Chris Hansen anyway). It sounds like too much trouble, but I've had more first dates end up BCD with it, so that's less time wasted.

 

 In the bar pickup world, or honestly the Tinder world, you never know what you're getting much like the sugar world, but additionally, you'll never know if you're on the same page, whereas with a sugar baby there's some basis of understanding out of the gate. As far as time investment is concerned, I can spend probably 6 hours combined on SA to get 3-4 serious sugar baby prospects that are interested in BCD time that have reasonable financial needs. It's probably about that long on Tinder for a single hookup, so it's far less efficient, and let's not kid ourselves here, it's never actually "free".  

 

 From personal experience, I'm seeing women who are 19-25 usually, and most I've encountered mostly know what they're doing in bed. I've had some lackluster bj's, but that's usually because they can't DT or just don't know what they're doing. That's easy enough to teach them if you know what you like and explain it in a way that doesn't make them feel like an idiot.

about four years ago, three altogether, but consecutively, not concurrently.  Took a long time to find them.   They all turned out the same.  They wanted a monthly "allowance" and I was able to see them on 24 hours notice just about any time I wanted as long as it didn't conflict with her class schedule for college, which she provided to me BEFORE I committed to getting involved.  Everything is bliss for the first couple of months, and then the excuses started as to why they suddenly couldn't see me as much on the date and time I wanted.  I told them each that they were not living up to the agreement they made.  Two of them offered to go piecemeal, where I would pay for the time I was actually with them, but they wanted to be compensated at near-hooker rates for service that was, frankly, substandard compared to regular providers.  After three tries, I gave up SB's for good and am a happier man without the drama and broken promises that infect that scene.  

We know Twitter rules. But, Twitter is shadowing banning provider accounts. That was the entire point of Switters creation

I don't know why you'd bother with SB's honestly, outside of a desire for emotional attachment I guess. K-girls are a sweet scene to be in and pretty cheap considering the quality of service.

 

That said, my initial experience was similar to yours. Turnover is pretty real, though, I never have lead with a monthly arrangement, it's always been per-meeting and took some back and forth negotiating. From there it either turns into a "no envelope but help me with bills or just take me out every now and then somewhere nice" or a "I need more money for X bullshit reason and you're my ATM with a dick". Keep the former, ghost the latter and there's a pretty minimal amount of drama.  
Also, you can convert more SB's to the former by making sure she has a really, really good time in bed, and no doubt that's well in your wheelhouse.

I haven't done the SB thing. I don't think I'm built for it. The "allowance" idea isn't new, but it triggered a thought about doing the chores in order to get my allowance. Take out the garbage? Check. Help with the dishes? Check. Mow the lawn? Check. Ka-ching!  
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Now I'm thinking about the SBs who must be thinking: Do the dishes? Check. Help with the laundry? Check. BBBJ my SD? Check. Ka-ching!  
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It can be a chore.

That's a perfect example for me.
Since "FemaleClientFriendly" isn't listed on that profile, I wouldn't waste my time there and I would know to move on to someone else.

Not a review, but very valuable nonetheless.

Although "FemaleClientFriendly" isn't listed "Bisexual" is so there's a possibility that this provider services female clients.  All you'd have to do is pm her and ask.