Thanks to all who followed these Sugarland threads. I hope they've been helpful for you guys (and gals) who are considering a vacation to Sugarland. Since I'm as guilty as any guy about bragging-on-the-board,  let's start with a rejection.        

Rejection #2:  Right before Thanksgiving.  I meet SBx at a local Indian restaurant.  She's a stunning blonde, 9/10 scale. (Note on my rating scale: unless I bed Sasha Grey, you'll never see a 10/10 rating from me). SBx has long cascading blonde hair, a tight frame snug in a red winter sweater, jeans & leather boots (oh yeah!).  I'm also in jeans, black v-neck & wool sports jacket.  

The lunch goes well, she's friendly & we have many common interests regarding books and films.  We agree to meet again next weekend.  30 minutes after our departure, she sends a text  about how much she enjoyed the lunch.  Honestly dudes, I'm already envisioning bedding her on Date #2.  Then two days later, she sends a long text message about how I'm married & this would be a dishonest relationship.  I reply that I'm always honest about disclosing my marital status & she shouldn't assume other men will be so forthcoming.  Dead silence on her end.  I wonder to myself why someone would look for an 'honest relationship' on an SD/SB site.  Maybe I just got played.  Rejection #2, how does it taste?  Bitter.  

Success:  After Thanksgiving, the karma wheel turns.  Two SBs hit me up for a BCD arrangement before I dare to mention it.  The two: SB5-HotLatina (8/10 scale) & SB6-Vampira (8/10 scale).  After taking both BCD, I start a new 'arrangement' with SB5-HotLatina at $400 a throw (BCD once a week +  lunch/dinner afterwards).  

SB5-HotLatina is 24 & amazingly toned, like female-tennis-pro fit. She never gets tired and our sessions always end the same way: I crash with exhaustion.  Game-Set-Match to SB5-HotLatina.  She's a sweet, wonderful girl  & will make someone a great wife one day (I say this without sarcasm).  

I didn't contact SB6-Vampira again.  We had terrible sex and it was my fault.   SB5-HotLatina burned me to the ground earlier that day.  But the following week,  I get a heart-rending text from SB6:

SB6:  If I did something wrong, I hope you will give me a second chance.  

Z:   You did nothing wrong, the chemistry just wasn't right, sorry.  

Note to self:  You're a heel.  I'll never bed two SBs in one day again.  Then last week, I hear from the Ghost-of-Christmas-Past.  The spectacular 20-year-old SB4 (9/10 scale) sends the text below.

SB4:  Any chance we can get back together?

Dear lord, I thought I was happy.  I dropped SB4 (a stunning brunette) two months ago for being in love with her cell & ignoring me.  But now SB4 texts a radioactively hot photo and I zoom it:  She's gloriously naked.  Good grief and Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown.

The next day:  Z + SB4 + cheap hotel room  =  Sleazy Makeup Sex.  This is short-term fun, but long-term financial disaster.  I can't afford arrangements with both SB4 and SB5.   My current half-baked plan is to switch between SB4 & SB5 every other week.  We'll see.  

Why, so serious?

This called a hobby for a reason...

and our board has had a fair share of its "prolific" writers, then it sounds like too much work just to get laid and a whole lot of drama.  I would rather spend my free time pursuing another interests, and get laid when the itch strikes.

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guaranteed sex that you get with a regular provider. This sounds like a deal somewhere between a regular provider and a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship.

Most guys need the guarantee of sex, without having to wait 2-3 dates...

I've already received two PMs since I posted this thread.  Since I don't write reviews, I don't have premium access & can't read/reply to PMs.  But I do get 'notifications' when someone tries to PM me.  

If you want me to reply, please post on the thread, thanks.  --z

I know...I know

Mostly in Maxim magazine....

And with a bit of imagination...you then have the OP.

What a bit of creative writing...maybe Maxim will pay z for these stories?  And let him then watch a shoot and see a real hottie up close..well, not too close or she'll be SB7  LOL

You've beenaround for a while. I just don't understand the SB/SD thing. It seems fucking weird to me.

Lets see if I have this straight:

A North of 40 guy, parades around in public with a 20 something...Gets laid once a week and foots the whole bill. According to Z, it is costing him 4 bills plus dinners and other date related costs like hotel rooms.  I am pretty sure that these SB's will also hit them up for a few more items along the way. She also probably has at least 1 or 2 other SD's lined up. I am guessing that the sex is probably pretty vanilla, leaving only the visual of a tight hot co-ed for the fantasy aspect (JMO) and when school is out of session, he is left holding only his cock.

or...you could see an Escort for a determined amount, for a determined time, and probably have much better sex with an experienced adult professional.

Did I get this right?

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are only happening in Z's mind..

Feel free to explain it, because I really just don't get it. Seems like a huge waste of time and money for a weekly CBJ when there are so many great providers out there.

I get that the girls are hot...but beyond that??

Having beenaround for 2553 days

You gotta love how some want to pigeon hole an "arrangement" with a hooker.

I really get that a guy like z finds the chase more entertaining than the catch.  And perhaps the ability to reject before he is rejected is also a part of his game.

Who really knows what works for someone else?

I remember that there was a man of many faces...lonchaney from 1912 to be exact.  Seems like johns like to play that same game with the hookers as well  

... TER become a Sugar Daddy / Sugar Baby website?

I don't see any forums in TER for SD/SB folks nor do I see any search function that includes that genre.

To me... it sounds like you are indeed bragging and you just want to show-off. Who cares?

At the end of your post, you are whining that you can't afford 2 SBs. Am I supposed to give a fuck about that?

Serpius

I'm glad that the TER mods are open-minded enough to allow the Sugarland posts.  Several guys & gals on this site are also active in the SD/SB world.  regards, --z

Not any more!

So any post is fair game till someone hits the "report a post" and often times it comes down...check with Serpius...he's an expert on letting TER know about posts he doesn't like.

And I think you're a bit short sighted on how many here have and do play in "sugarland".  It's different for each player...as you've babbled.

I wouldn't play the way you're playing...and haven't.  But then again I don't have the need  to bloviate about my faux accomplishments as you seem to need to.  

To each their own...Happy New Year's and hope you finally find some hooker that works for you.  And that you can afford her  

Pray tell why?

Hey...send her over.  I'm guessing she is either sb4 or sb6.  That spinning head thing must be great.

And I'm not a cheap john like you...I'll actually pay the hooker  

and reviewed her. Old news.

You're one of the strangest SD's I've ever met. Kind of like, a hobbyist disguised as an SD, like those escorts the try to be SB's.

Interesting story. SD2 just frowned when he read it and told me to get off "these types" of forums. >_> awk.

P4P comes in so many flavors.

Though a lot of your sugar relationships are a bit more sexually focused the the ones I have experienced, and the ones of my sugar friends. Not in a bad way, just interesting. I have sex with SD1, but we spend so much more time doing other things, and he is often gone on business. So it's really like 2/3 hangout time and long distance communication and 1/3 sex.

Also, irregardless of the "NSA" rule, most of the sugars in my friend group got good jobs and connections through their SD. And not by recommendations as sexual partners, but in the actual interest of "cultivating our future".

I'm not sure if you mentor any of your SB's because you usually don't post that side of it. *shrugs*

Plus the time and emotional investment (for real sugar relationships) could be too much for just casual P4P. You can't just go away when you feel like it. Even if we stopped our sugar relationship, because my internship connections came from SD1, he and I will always be in that particular network together.

What you said basically sums it up.

But there are some good ones to be found on particular websites. Be careful with websites though, a lot are just hookers in disguise. Unless the lady is legitimately both. Like moi!

I found SD1 at the Game Developers Conference in SF. He was a rep for a production start up. SD2 was an alumni of my last college, who came for some endowment ceremony thing or whatever.

Most of the SD's online are fakes. The really good ones you find IRL in places successful people hangout. But that's only MY experience. Do what works for you!

Who says we have vanilla sex? I abhor vanilla sex. I think SB's have better sex with their sugar daddies, than with clients because you HAVE to have an actual connection for a real sugar relationship to work. Further, some SB's aren't coeds, they don't do it for school tuition, but for the networking and mentoring.

Any SB that calls her SD for "more money" is just tacky. My SD's are generous enough that asking for anything more would just be gross. You should come to an arrangement that suits your needs at the beginning. Not underestimate and ask for more. I think 6k a month seems about average in my circle (yes yes, there are women that get much more than we do, but I understand what I can and can't command).

Some people think you paying for sex at all is weird. And sad. But it isn't, so we should all just do what makes us happy. SB, mistress, hooker, courtesan...VIVA LA SEX INDUSTRY.

Because the true ones are exclusive, a lot of sugar relationships are bareback, just FYI.
People may not agree, but that is the truth. If you ask any sugar she would never say it, but when you're in a semi committed thing, and most SD's only have one SB, and most SB's have at most 2 SD's (when you're getting around 6k per arrangement) people feel comfortable enough for bbfs. Because that what couples naturally do.

If you said cbj to an SB, she wouldn't understand what the hell you where talking about. Unless they are a hooker in disguise, or are also hooker in addition to being SB's.

"just hookers in disguise"?

Really, would love to know.

Once again, how do you know that other escorts are on those sites just seeking clients?

According to your posts you are both SB and escort. Great.  I see no problem with it. You play by one set of rules when you are in Escort Persona and by different set of rules when you are in SB Persona. No problem with it either.

I do however dislike when people make such broad statements.  Your JUDGEMENT of other women who just like you engage in sex work both as escorts and SBs is at the very least offensive.  

So, my question remains.  What makes YOU legitimately both vs THEM being "just hookers in disguise"? What information do you posses about OTHER women on those sites that gives you right to make that statement?  

Ever stopped for a moment to think that someone else can make same kind of statement about you?

There is nothing wrong with either type of sex worker, but they are different. What I do with, and how I regard, my sugar daddies is much different than my client interactions. The boundaries I have for each, make me both. The fact that I don't treat the sugar bowl like a place to find clients is why I am both. If a sugar daddy tried to engage with me the way my client would, he would be met with me immediately exiting the date. A date with my client will always include sex. With my SD's not always.

If you really wanted to know, instead of being just being snippy, you would have asked differently.

Why do you care?

You're talking about something completely different then our friend z.

At 6g a month...I get what your saying. At 4 bills a date, I think he's an SD to a hooker. Its an opinion, I know...but I don't think I'm alone in thinking it.

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There are many women who may be both, just like I am.
But there are also women who are not both, though they try very hard to be. This is a fact of the sugar bowl.
There are hobbyists who like to play SD, and vice versa. Simple truth.

I'm sure some have already made such a statement about me. Unfortunately, I can't control what others think of me. I can only control what I do and how I act. If someones thinks I am also one who is an escort in disguise, then they will not contact me.

It is not "me" vs "them". You have decided to take offense to my statement, so it will be futile to try and explain the difference.

If you would like to have a non confrontational about the differences, feel free to pm or email me.

That's what I was trying to get across (but I like to use words, and so my points appear cluttered and confusing).

Mr. Z is essentially having an ongoing pay for sex and outside contact, situation. It is an arrangement, but not really a sugar one. Which, if he and the women he is engaging with are happy, then more power to him.

But, if I want a client, I'll get one. When I want an SD, and a sugar arrangement, paid dates won't cut it.

won;t answer it. So end of discussion.

Seth read my mind with his post.
I don't understand the Sugar thing.
Is about bareback sex? Paying for a friend?
That's weird.
No offense. I swear. Just curious.
So people pay you to buy you clothes, and shoes?
Or more like a paid mistress?
Either way it seems odd to me.
Seems like it would always end badly.
To me this whole thing just reminds me to protect myself. Mind, and body.
Because just like you say. There are girls out there who raw dog their SD, then also work as escorts.
And I have met some really awesome women doing this. But I'll never pay someone to be my friend.
That is a reason to seek therapy in my mind.
Maybe if I were some rich guy with a bitch wife that wants the house, and everything else I worked for.
I might feel differently. It's actually kinda sad now that I think about it.
I think I just answered my own question. Forget it.

Rose, I don't mislead anyone regarding an arrangement. And come now, you're romanticizing the sugar bowl a bit.  SBs understand the motives of the men in front of them.  I discuss my previous arrangements with every SB I meet.  Your 'Wet-Behind-the-Ears' girl is the only exception I've ever made.  

This September, I met an 18 year-old college girl who was fresh out of high school.  I know this because she used her university e-mail address that embedded her real name.  I checked her out before we met--she's a national merit scholar from a nearby state.  

We meet for coffee and she looks like a national merit scholar--pale & a bit overweight.  One could tell that she had spent countless hours in the school library.  She's smart, friendly & sweet, with a free ride to a state university & a bright future.  I'm  puzzled about why she wants an arrangement.  She politely asks about my history with the site and I describe my previous arrangements with as much tact as possible.  

After our coffee date, I'm driving home & get a text from her.  It can only be described as a teenage mash note + arrangement offer.  She wants the same BCD arrangement I had with my ATF.  I nearly crash my car into an SUV. There's no way I can fuck (and probably dump) this girl.  No way. But we both know someone else will.

But here's the thing:  let's say I meet you in that coffee shop.  If you open that door, I'll walk through it.  And if someone gets dumped a month later, neither of us can complain.  Sorry.  --z


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I like you Rose, but on the issue of 'hookers in disguise', you're on shaky ground.  If I understand dddbabe's argument, you can no longer throw that term around without including yourself in that description.  

You've hung out your shingle now as both a provider & SB.  And like dddbabe, I have no problem with that.  But you're still trying to differentiate yourself from other providers who practice the same thing.  That's a really tough sell.  You may think of yourself as an SB moonlighting as a provider, but just about everyone else on this board will view you as a 'hooker in disguise'.  

You describe me in the SD/SB scene as a 'hobbyist in disguise'.  That's an accurate description & I can't dispute the truth.  You're going to have to wear that 'hooker in disguise' label whether you like it or not.   --z

Hey you mixed up my post!

I did say no offense. But you may be right about the therapy thing!

Sorry if I shit on you. Didn't mean to.
Obviously Sugarland isn't a town I travel to.
The whole get to know you thing is not why I am here.
I am sticking by the fact that you can't buy friendship.

sb looks down on hookers
hookers look down on SW

China is so full of herself her eyes are brown.  She needs to make herself feel better by giving herself a designation that SHE feels is on a higher plane.  Pathetic is more of an adjective I would attribute to China.  She's posted her website here...and she's a run of the mill hooker.  Nothing more...nothing less.

And at least you're now acknowledging that you are just a john who is setting up arrangements with hookers.  And that's all you're doing here.  I've done those..no biggie.

Most gals I have known have various arrangements with various johns.  The need to paint it with a broad stroke is only for those who have such a need.

In the end if one is paying for sex...it's prostitution.  Call it whatever you'd like...but that's all it is.

 I met all of these girls on a SD/SB website.  The SBs I've bedded have not put up an escort page on TER, but you have.   And I haven't seen any of them on P411--yet.  The main reason I went the SD/SB route is that I was tired of the same set of providers in my hometown.  I wanted to meet a new set of girls.

In my experience, the main differences between an SB vs Provider are below:
(1)  The SB auditions the SD with a few face-to-face meetings before committing to sex-for-money.  
(2) Once the arrangement goes BCD, there's no ticking clock & repeat hookups are expected.
(3) The SB expects gifts now & then from the SD.  

As I've already stated, the local SBs are younger & more attractive than the local P411 providers in my hometown.  But that may not be true everywhere.  I'd encourage the guys on the board to find out.  The two SBs who rejected me may share your idea of what 'Sugar' means.   But from what I've seen, it's almost always sex-for-money.  Your version of 'sugar' seems to be the exception, not the rule.  --z




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To understand.

Yes I am making an assertion that the sex is bland. I should amend that to I think many of the girls would be bland due to inexperience. That is probably unfair, but that is my story and I am sticking too it. lol

Yes I am making the assertion that because they are young, they are also probably less than worldly...and I would find myself mentally bored with them quickly. (You seemed to have solved that issue...so kudos) This is probably also very unfair, as many girls are well traveled in their younger years, becoming well educated, and mature typically at a faster rate then men of their age. Still, it seems like an expensive gamble to me.

Yes, I am assuming that SB's have multiple Daddy's at a time as well as an SO. Yes I believe they can hide this fact from all the men. No I don't believe that there is enough time in the week for them to have more than 2 or three. As Chris Rock once said, men may tell the most lies, but women tell the biggest...China can say that this SB land is on the up and up all she wants...I've met too many people in my life to believe it.

I will say this in the SB/SD defense, it does seem like everyone is out to make a deeper personal connection. Cheers to that. I have only made that connection once with a provider, and I still question if it is reciprocated.

It seems to me that I am paying for the provider to leave, while the SD pays the SB to stay. This is where you loose me. I thought the point to NSA fun was the No Strings part...

I certainly would like to understand this life a bit more. I see it all the time in restaurants, museums, and other public places. It looks like my visualization of a Lolita relationship. But I can say this...it ain't for me if for no other reason then my own lack of self control. I wouldn't be able to stop myself from dishing out cash to a SB, and If I ended up in the situation like you described, I would have kept all of them as a harem...and gone broke in the process.

I'm going to put out there that I'm an SB that's into kink. FYI, I am in a D/s relationship IRL with SO2.

I find you version of sugar interesting, and it has given me a perspective I haven't though about.