Lick Lick,

Stay home and social distance for the immediate future until we have a better handle on the virus.

it's a little too early to reopen right now.

My two VERY "blue" friends are begging for SOMETHING to open, but it aint America.  

and its not politically correct, but I say let natural selection sort it out.  Why save people who are going to pass their shitty genetics on to another generation?  It just weakens the herd as a whole.  Man survived this long through the process of the strong surviving and the weak perishing.   Why fuck with it now?   By saving and therefore creating MORE people that are genetically weak, you just guarantee the next one of these in 20 to 50 years will be even MORE devastating .  We have to be realists and think of survival of the SPECIES.  

The opinions of course don't fall entirely along party lines, but I have most definitely noticed that conservatives tend to believe that they can make their own life decisions while liberals tend to look to government to protect them.

I never get sick. I'm sure I would survive this virus, if I have not gotten it already. It felt like the a cold and my back hurted and other stuff. But I get colds and stuff and take stuff from the 99 cents only store and don't even stop working.  
I'm not that stupid either. I just play on line. I'm just average and quiet. No problems with anybody, the law or anything.  
Nature, which is nothing, it just is. It didn't take me into consideration. But one person or animal or even a group or whatever doesn't count. It's more like a bunch of them is what counts.  
Another thing, your sons and or daughters are other people. So they are not us again. Nature is so stupid that makes pretty looking criminals and dumb bitches procreate. What I think I'm saying is that it doesn't matter who survives and reproduces. As people who believe in god would say: Then if evolution is real, how come there are still stupid and sick people?  
I don't care about survival of the SPECIES.  I don't care about the virus. I don't care about ..     ANYTHING

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In the face of you all I stand defiant  

I want all of you to stay the fuck home so I can go out safely myself.

I selfishly prefer that social distancing continues and people stay home. My commutes each way are an hour shorter than pre-rona.

Here:

Hey, you're using my image without my consent!

That Ashley is available for booking a session.  Just because she starts good threads doesn't mean she wouldn't like to have a little business from you.  All of this fawning makes you look like you have found your perfect match!!!

Would we impoverish a 100 million to save one life?   Impoverish one million to save one life?  Impoverish 10,000 to save one life?  Impoverish ten to save one life?
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Most rational people will pick some mid range cut off point.  Any reasonable response to CV-19 is going to have some people die and some people impoverished by the government response.
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I think we have to get most of the economy going again and soon.  Elective medical procedures have to start up ASAP.  They really should have never been shut down.

you and your big words.  
Yeah let the economy get back on track or something. Excuses, I know. I don't know what to say. Buy yeah.  
Maybe if the pandemic continues she'll go really cheap. LOL. I'm just kidding. But yeah it would be a good match...for me. We'll see what happens. Let the virus do it's job. I'm still kidding.

The Swedes got it right.  They never closed and they will have herd immunity while our economy tanks and opening up the economy becomes even more political than it already is.  Which Governor is going to want to be among the first to open up and risk screwing it up?

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Conservatives believe that they can make their own life decisions but believe that no one else is entitled to do the same, ie women can't control their own bodies, same sex couples can not get married, Christianity is the only religion you're supposed to believe in, etc......As for Liberals, yes they believe that government should protect them as its THE NUMBER 1 JOB of the federal government to protect its citizens.

But I have to problem with the stay at home.

For the record, I am 100% pro choice, I was in favor of Gay Marriage long before either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama, both of whom were dragged into supporting it after public opinion forced them to, AND I think all religions are rather silly, Christianity included, but somehow everyone considers me a conservative,.  

Here we come (no pun intended).

This country was not founded on the belief that the federal government should “protect” its citizens. The founding fathers believed true power should be with the states and limited power with the federal government. It’s the liberal government that has shifted to the out-of-wack federal focus. Before the virus our US debt was 20% of the WORLDS GDP, now the US will take on another 3+ trillion of debt to keep people at home (If you ever believed the 2 trillion amount you are living in a dream world. When was the last time our federal government had anything come in at or under the original estimates?). How many will stay on the dole after the virus!?

People are walking around with masks thinking it will help them but are using them all wrong. Like this guy and his body armor.

I'm in between these two positions.
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I think most of the shutdowns have been justified, and helped prevent healthcare systems from being overwhelmed.  
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At this point, we need to look at the situation in each state/region. Shutting down the economy (including the parts of the healthcare system not dealing with COVID-19) imposes significant costs, including lives lost, that grow the longer we stay closed.
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In many places, I think we can start reopening things in stages, pausing if we get a spikes in cases. Continue to ramp up testing, make sure we have PPE for healthcare workers. Get treatments tested and available as soon as we can, anticipating that COVID-19 will become more contagious again in the fall. Encourage people to continue to work at home when they can, wash their hands, etc. Allow restaurants and bars to open with more spaced seating at first. Keep the restrictions on big events like concerts and spectator sports until the numbers of cases get down to a trickle.
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I think personal services like cutting hair, escorting, etc. are relatively low risk in most places.

The Swedes are taking a minimalist approach and, so far, they are at least doing no worse than anybody else. Then again, what do they know? They're Socialists.

I'm NOT kidding.  

It actually got bad here even before TER came out of it's "dark" period when P&R most annoying poster couldn't find anyone to talk to him on the P&R board so he brought his TDS here and started stalking the few remaining posters in the hope that someone would pay attention to him. Now it appears to be too late to put the toothpaste back into the tube.

I often hop out of the car and go in somewhere without my mask, but I figure if everyone else has one, I don't need one.  Let them protect me.  Lol    However, there are some places you can't go in at all without a mask.  

1)  Isolation compromises our natural immune system, which relies on exposure to pathogens to function properly and protect us.
2)  Theory vs. reality:  Extrapolation shows that the infection rate is way higher than the modeling predicted, thereby making the death toll way lower than is being reported.
3)  We've compromised our health care system by ignoring everything else in favor of covid19.  Doctors and other health care professionals are being furloughed as a result, and the financial health of hospitals and clinics is in peril.
4)  The longer we continue to shutter businesses the more that will fail.  Followed by the ripple effect from that:  unemployment, loan default, real estate vacancy, and on and on.
5)  Same goes for individual citizens and families.  Many cannot and will not survive long without an income flow.  Countless Americans are one paycheck away from broke.   A $1200.00 stimulus check doesn't go far when the rent or mortgage payment is due, not to mention trying to make up the delayed payments going forward.
6)  It's bad enough we've added trillions to the national debt over this.  Let's not add more.
7)  Enough with the erosion of our civil liberties.  I can shop at Costco and home depot amongst others, but I can't enjoy a beer and a sandwich at a local pub or walk on the beach or play ball with my kids in the local park.

Good pic and you are correct regarding how incorrectly some use their masks. I also agree that just taking what any of the news sources have to say at something close to face value is for fools. But that goes for both sides of the political biases media reflects.

I would question you being a representative example of either the conservative mind or the republican mind.

Saw an interesting view of what was happening in NYC (A critique of an argument from one of the MIT econ guys). One take is that getting close (violating the X meter rule)might not be the real issue. It's more about what we're doing while close. Most people assume the subway is the source of the spread in NYC but the study the link looks at raises the question if that is supported or not.  

did the dog bite or lick? Or just yelp?

I’m considered conservative but I think that’s simply because I’ve reached independent conclusions that are typically labeled conservative.  

Well Said!!!
Could not agree more!

Test everyone?? Please do tell....

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I hear and I don't like it.  
Let's say I still have a job or deliver food or something.  
They test you and find out you have it. They say it's to protect you.
But they put you out of commission. That and that big stick they stick thru your nose.  
Let's keep the original idea to stay home if you feel sick. When you are dying go to the hospital.

In actuality this is not affecting me much.  
Neither is affecting my small inner social circle.  
I'm kind of being a spectator.  
I can go in and outta my mind at will.  
So let's do it for fun.  

Get'em out of their trailers and pack'em in tight!

We all know the country is shutdown...except for the essential businesses like food processing, transportation, banking, jobs that can be performed remotely, gas and repair shops, auto parts stores, big box stores, grocer/supermarkets, convenient stores, energy/utilities, telcom/communications, carry-out and delivery, cafes/cafeterias in the essential businesses, office supply stores, construction, trash service,  businesses that support the essential businesses and some that I am forgetting.

"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
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Every few days, I drive past a construction site and more and more stuff has been added to the main structure.

Wash your hands, and lower your risks by staying safe. Do you.

By that I mean there is a middle ground. As of May 1st, my county is opening up, but not all the way. Face masks will be required as will social distancing. This will be enforced by law when needed. But you can get your haircut. You can have a wedding or a funeral. Some activities that are high risk like concerts and beard trimmings are still banned. I think a slow opening is right. We cannot close down and survive economically. Poverty is a killer. But COVID-19 can be as well. We must open up or the economy will collapse at  an unprecedented scale. This will lead to a great many deaths. But so will being irresponsible about COVID-19, not as many but still....

So my family is genetically inferior because we have a child with Autism?  Perhaps we should be taken to a nursing home in New York and be given COVID?

out of context.  I thought it was clear I'm speaking about weak genetics in the IMMUNE SYSTEM.   The last I heard, Autism is NOT contagious when standing in line at the bank or at Starbucks, and I don't think the death rate is on par with Covid-19, where as soon as you get, you might be dead in 6 weeks.  As you should know, Autism is NOT a disease or illness that directly interferes with a person's health.  Don't be irrational by having a chip on your shoulder.  I think everyone else here knew I referring to weak genetics when it comes to immunity from diseases that can wipe out a civilization.  

above yours.  You are comparing apples and oranges.  You should know better.  

Embrace it...I swear this could be you....lol
Hey Gag...now I'm picking on him..

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Unlike you, I’ve been sidelined by this hysteria... I’m really think it’s been here longer than anyone realized and the lockdown was like closing the barn after all the livestock had already escaped... it’s time to open up again.

NEVER be me.  I would take assisted suicide before I would work for ANY government agency.  But I will agree with him when it comes to coronavirus.  Letting natural selection sort it out is the way to go. The holy rollers can call "it letting god sort it out" if they want, too.  It amounts to the same thing.  It just depends on whether you want a man in charge (god) or a woman (mother nature). Lol

He says he hardly reads the general board.

While I know they have higher numbers there are a number of problems with a claim like that. First, what are they comparing to -- population or the infection fatality rate or the the case fatality rate?

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I think it's irrational to think we're safe to slowly start opening the country, as 1) we still don't know much about this virus(how it's really transmitted(so far it's guesses), how to detect symptoms fast(waiting till you actually have symptoms means you have possibly transmitted it to others), how to defeat it, etc) 2) we have cures in the works but not anything that is ready to go

1) true enough but we do know it's transmission rate, death rate, and who is most at risk. It kills at a similar rate to the seasonal flu, but no one has antibodies as it is a new disease so short term it will kill more people. We also know it is a RNA Virus closely related to SARS, and the common cold. Meaning it will likely have a high mutation rate as most RNA viruses do. So this virus will likely never completely go away.  

I agree 100%.  When our troops stormed the beach at Normandy, the generals knew a certain percentage of them would die.  The war against the virus is no different that a real war.  The goal is to win for our species, and winning means letting people get infected and have their immune systems produce the antibodies.  In an all-out assault, an acceptable level of casualties is to be expected.  Otherwise, we sit around and get picked off a few at a time, which will keep the virus around much longer as it moves through the population slowly while the rest die of starvation and poverty.    

Just a random historical fact (or allegation?) ... it's said that Gen Eisenhower wanted new untested troops to storm the beaches because the veterans who'd seen combat before would know what sort of buzzsaw they were heading for.  

It is but it is one sided. Short term the shutdown saves lives. It saved lives beyond those of high risk as it kept our health systems from being overwhelmed. Opening up to quickly can still lead to that health systems collapse. Risking lives.

...for a workable vaccine is estimated to be this fall. There are many countries and labs working on various approaches, so perhaps we'll get a number of "horses to cross the finish line," as one researcher has characterized it. Given the billions of doses humanity will need to get decent coverage, we need all the help we can get.

In the first place, I'd risk your dick to bury mine in this lady in a heartbeat!  

Lmao... Just open the damn golf courses and recreation centers, so we have excuses to get away

...stay home and reopen you,my friend!!!!  

Thank you.  We need to stick with facts. The virus is going to take at least 150,000 lives before September.  And we all hope the death curve stays going down but hard to happen with the reopenings going on.  Stay safe everyone.

to have a wedding or a funeral, but how do you know which one to choose until you've spent some significant time with the woman.  Many guys choose Wedding and then five years later they wish they would have chosen Funeral.  

...we get a vaccine LOL!  
Anyhow, I live in COOK COUNTY Illinois (Chicago area) and a few days ago I decided to do an informal poll at two groceries stores where I shop and the Ace Hardware. Asked the cashiers at the stores (who I know) if anyone working at their store had gotten sick since this whole lockdown began (3/16 here in Cook County)?

Btw, is this lady an escort cuz I'd really like to meet her and, well, you get the fucking idea...!

Hey! I'm still waiting til you let me buy you too many beers, senor!....