Got a notice that p411 is changing there service in 2019.  Good news is that they will start taking new profiles. Bad news is that they will remove all advertising and turn off search.

.... to find Jenny 867-5309 for a good time.
But, we'll be able to verify that she's legit and she'll be able to check our okays.

Jenny didn't pick up.

I mean really? TER drops all US based providers, now P411 stops advertising.  
Is this the fucking end? Won't some  website step up and fill the void?
Or maybe TER SHOULD RELOCATE ITS SERVERS OFFSHORE SO IT CAN RESUME NORMAL OPERATIONS!!!!!

....and with these changes I am seriously reconsidering renewing in August.

I was turned down in April since they only accepted provider with US passport or green card
well wonder for what they are collecting all that info anyways.. no platform in Europe is asking for all this information and they are doing well

This is all about FOSTA compliance.

With a ton of Okays but not a large list of providers in my area (less and less if they don't start allowing newbie providers in again) it may not be worth it to renew.  Just like TER.  My sub here was up just post FOSTA madness and other than 1 review for a few days VIP to clean out my remaining PM's, I just come here to browse the boards now, why pay?  

Once again, so happy i have lifetime membership in P411.  P411 will become more and more useful as other venues die off.  Then again, there will probably be many upstarts striving to take over the USA portions of TER.

Yeah, this is an added complication, but the power of the site for me is to be able to verify a woman I'd like to rendezvous with. Which I'll still be able to do. If you're not there then I'll probably move on. Just something to consider.  

in the Netherlands, specifically.

These sites are trying to find ways to stay up and running now and for the future but what real use will they be if you can't find info your looking for. There will be less than a handful of sites left by the ringing in of the new year. Big question in my mind, will google even search for adult websites. We may not be visible other than using a VPN.

Starting in Jan. they will not accept ads any more, though they will open up to new members again.  The question is, without ads, how useful will they be?  You'll have to find an ad on some other site, then use P411 to get her to screen you. Eros is still around but for how long?

Seems like mailing lists are the best way for ladies to let clients know their schedules.  Glad I'm on a lot of good mailing lists.

While we will be getting smaller in 2019, we'll continue to work hard to stay relevant and useful in the vetting process of both sides. It's my life's work to make this community a little safer for everyone involved, and "advertising" was never one of my favorite parts of P411 (although a catalyst to our growth, no doubt).

I was living and working in The Netherlands by 2 years. There the prostitution is legal, so you get your license pay taxes and is ok. Police have an special department to make controls, on Red Light District is easy because they just visit the windows, brothers, clubs, etc. With internet they watch the ads and websites, make a visit as uncover police and discover if it's ok or human traffic. And I give you my word that they are working hard controlling everything.  
So if the webmasters want to have their websites working there, is not a problem, because you can make the registration of your company and pay legal taxes. Then if police ask for cooperation to provide info, they will do it, so they cover their backs, and don't have the consequences as Backpage had.

Do you not know that there are a lot of other sites still running. One that starts with E just started back up and it's a dog's breakfast. There are plenty of advertising sites, just a lot of people only stay in there own little circles and don't realize it.
Take a look around. TER and P411 were never the be all and end all. They just worked well for a lot of us and we got used to them.

while I wish Gina all the best in dealing with any health issues, just as "Business Communications 101," it's not a good idea telling your customers you "need to take a step back" from a business you expect them to pay for.  Not exactly a confidence-builder.

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on P411. You have to find her P411 info OUTSIDE of P411 like on Slixa or some other site. No searching on P411 for a lady. So why would anyone pay for that?

to protect themselves as much as possible. Why can't TER do the same thing? Cut ALL ties to the US and bring it back to the US?

It is taking a toll on many of us these days Gina and i'm sure it isn't any different for you. We do need some kind of authentication so gentlemen know what ladies have been here for some time and safe to see. In the same token without TER I am very lost finding ladies to see if their legit to give references to. We no longer can use a whitelist here as well, so finding a history of hobbiests is becoming an issue for me.

So will there be a listing of names, images, p411 numbers by location?  Just no listings for providers which are touring?  

I love P411 too and this does suck!

When I saw the renewal rates, i.e. About the same for 6 months as I paid for one year before, and considering the reduced functionality, I'm leaning towards not renewing in August.

You can use it to vet that she's legit and send her a PM. And I'll pay for that.  

Gina do u accept only US passport?
get well kisses CC

but I'm surprised the list isn't longer.

genuine post and that goes a long way for many. The fuck biz is unlike any other business. It's a lot more personal with inherent dangers and there's no doubt that P411 mitigates the latter.

I agree. As far as I'm concerned, Gina has done a hell of a job creating a great tool to play safely with minimum hassle. I hope everyone hangs in there and supports her as she reconfigures.

for all your efforts. I'm happy to know that we still able to show our profiles. Just out our P number on all advertising platforms.  
Life is about adjusting to the changes and making the best out of them!  

I agree with you Melissa. So signing up for your favorite providers newsletters.
Also using a overseas email provider is a smart way to go too.

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I also have a bunch of Confederate money, Wiemar Republic marks and some Imperial Russian bonds.  The latter are very nice for framing. Take your choice.

I love P411 and have been a member for maybe three years.
That being said, the changes coming to P411 will probably cause me not to renew when my membership expires in 2019.

Ladies will have to advertise outside of P411 and use P411 as a vetting tool. Advertising on P411 was not that expensive. Now ladies are going to have to spend more money advertising.  

As I've had the opportunity to find out.

Yeah, I got it. Just a little later than others. Was hoping it was a hoax. This will certainly make things even more difficult.

Thanks for the update.  Hope you get well soon.

Since the ads will be gone, does that mean agency/booking agents will have their accounts restored?

Ladies can still give guys white lists.  Can ladies still search handles and see white lists?

Will the price for a membership be more than cut in half to reflect the reduced benefits?  $5/month or $40/year?

I’m there.

I just signed up for P411 right before all of this went down, and haven't used it to verify anyone yet, but as far as I can tell all you see on the site is that the lady passed the initial P411 screening, and you can't tell how many (if any) guys have seen her and say she's legit.  Is that correct?   It just seems to not give me a ton of confidence -- all I know is that P411 screened someone, once, and gave them a number -- am I missing a way to use this better?

Will providers still be able to set their location?  If so, could we just search by location rather than have "advertisements"?  It seems that would be fine...not knowing a lady's location would make even connecting an Eros ad to someone pretty difficult.

It was set up as a verification site, to make screening easier for both sides. It was never meant to be a review site. If you thought that it was, you've been steered wrong. What it does for the ladies is tell them how many okays a client has from other P411 providers. What it does for the client is allows them to show they have okays from other p411 ladies which should make it easier for providers to screen them. It also lets you know that a P411 provider is an actual provider and not LE.

P411 was never a stand alone screening site as most ladies still want references and real life info.

Or even close to the truth judging by my experience with P 411 and those of many other guys here.

Perhaps it was a vocal minority which made it sound like they was the majority. However I never heard one lady say anything to the contrary on these boards. About not needing anything other than a members 411.

You've left out a few. Turkey (led by ever more autocratic Erdogan, admired by Trump, the same Erdogan who encouraged his security forces to attack peaceful protesters --and US police officers --dead silence from Trump about the attack) also censors the Internet. Indeed they even censor Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey

Additional updates out on p411 changes. One notable upcoming feature will be the ability of clients to invite non-p411 providers to view client's profile.

What would your lawyer say? Sounds like a possible legal nightmare if the shit was to ever hit the fan.

The worst thing for me... is that we lose our PM ability on P411. A fair number of girls there use that as the primary means of communication.. also i have a bunch of replies in my inbox.. pre- screening from old and new friends..my plan... WAS.. to hit reply to their response and set something up that way..that will end... I'm planning to note the P411 # of girls I want to see..so at least I  have  a clue who has prescreened me...

I get the feeling that the changes are allowing the site to effectively wash it's hands of this...
" facilitating or promoting prostitution ".
With no ads, search, or direct line communication between client/ provider, they are neither facilitating  (allowing clients providers the means within site to set up appointments) nor promoting ( removing ads, touring schedules, and a client's ability to browse ladies for the means of " shopping".
Also in the notice was that a client's okays and favorites will remain, so best to do your window shopping now, and add them as favorites... to be easily found post changes to the site. Have to give those crooks on the hill credit.... they found a way to severely fuck this up for us. Now both TER and P411 have been choked to nearly useless as a tool for either side.

Whichever way the wind blows I'm sticking with P411. Its always been good to me and it will still have some benifits.

when all of the providers here were encouraging us marks to do so a couple of months ago.  Because TER's changes were incremental over time, I was (rightly, as it turned out) worried that other US sites would be doing the same, i.e., additional cannibalizing of the services AFTER they got me to join under already distressed circumstances.  Now I feel like I have gotten a windfall by way of the savings as it would be of absolutely no use to me at all with these new changes.  Sorry you got taken.  I don't suppose they will NOT offer a refund to guys that signed up recently under what turned out to be false pretenses???

I did join, but only for 6 months.  It was a minimal investment. But you were correct in assuming that elements would be stripped away.
In my case, I've found that very few providers in my area are listed there. I've still got a few months on there, but so far the best options have been ladies that are touring the area. Now that the ladies will not be able to post touring schedules, it will be of very little use to me. It's astounding that in an area that's nearly recession proof, there are such limited options in quality service offering providers. Yet before the demise of BP, it was inundated with low quality offerings in the area. Of course, it's just my personal tastes, but I can't understand how anyone could be satisfied with service that equates to fucking a sex doll with a pulse...

Even with the changes, it will still have significant value, because it will be one of the only reliable tools left to avoid being ripped off.

Even with the changes as outlined, I see value in the service.

If this beautiful woman were to be found there, the service would be invaluable.
On a serious note: I really think it is dependent upon how fruitful the site is in your area. For instance... in my area, the site has less than 150 women listed in the entire state. 95% of whom don't meet my criteria, be it by appeal or rate. I haven't fully decided to leave the site, but I will have to think hard as to whether or not it's cost effective.

so I didn't get taken in that sense, like drumguy and others. I have been a p411 member since 2011, but I just paid for lifetime membership last year.  With all the reductions in services, they should drastically reduce the annual rates and refund the lifetime guys, but I certainly don't see that happening. If I was an annual member, I wouldn't be renewing unless they dropped the rate to 20 bucks a year. As a lifetime member I just blew a bunch of money I could have used for other better things.  

There is still some value to some people.  To many of us there is no value anymore. Even for those of you that still find some value, do you still feel it is worth the rate? Shouldn't reduced services equal reduced rates?  
Also with many guys and gals stating their intent to leave, do you still think it will have value for you?

There are 22 here, not a single one of interest to me.  Well, maybe 3 or 4 would interest me if their rates were lower. Most of the rest wouldn't interest me if they were free. 🙁

Oh wow. That is bad. 150 was for my entire state...not counting D.C. itself. Inside the beltway is just too rich for my blood. Not to mention D.C. is a major pain in the ass traffic and parking wise.
Much similar to your assessment, I find most unappealing, too old, or just rated out of the market for me. I also relied mostly on the visiting ads for possibilities. With the scheduling gone, I wouldn't have any idea if a lady I liked even frequented my area at all... much less when they might be in the area. With the new changes, it will be better suited as a tool for gentlemen who do travel to different areas.  
And even the... if the next few months aren't used to store the info of interesting ladies, those men will have trouble using the site as anything other than a verification method.

Which was about 5 years ago, so I think I've gotten my money's worth already. The only way it would become useless to me would be if there was a mass exodus of the ladies. The ability to get screened quickly and view the ladies profile are still of value to me.  

I just wanted you to post another picture. 😂
Thanks. 👍🏼

the same as lifetime warranties.  It completely depends on the "lifetime" of both parties.  While a young guy may think a lifetime membership is a good deal, if the party selling the lifetime membership is an org, then the org must survive, too, or its of no value.  I learned my lesson back in the 80's when a private magic club opened up in Newport Beach modeled after the Magic Castle in Hollywood.  Some famous acts like Penn and Teller were regular fare there before they hit the bit time.  They offered a lifetime membership for about the same price as five one-year memberships.  I bit, and was kicking myself three years later when they folded.  No more lifetime ANYTHING for me.  

One consideration I have for Lifetime Memberships is a combination of convenience and privacy / security, at least in areas such as this. I do not use CCs or other easily traceable payment methods in this biz. That means Money Orders or anonymous Gift Cards are de rigeur. I'd rather do that ONCE or as infrequently as necessary.  
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I was lifetimer on the other verification site (D-C) which went bust. Not financially bust, but LE bust! I went with D-C at the time because it would be, apologies to Ron Popeil, "pay it and forget it!" There was no easy to find lifetime membership on P411 at the time that I picked D-C over P411 or I might have chosen P411. (It turns out that P411 did have a lifetime plan back then but it was hard to locate how to do it. I only found out from TER boards.)  
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The "x" factor is another consideration. Depending on the service and the projected longterm use of the service, 2x to 5x the annual rate seems reasonable; 10x or 20x or more is not.
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But the demise of D-C is another example that supports CDL's position on Lifetime Memberships.

...but I guess I'd rather be hurt by the truth then comforted by a lie.

Well if they're raising rates for providing at least a 50% reduction in services with these changes, I most likely won't be renewing.

Agree with gag. 95% of my p411 experience has stopped at my membership being all that was needed.  Also heard from many gals that the love the ppl they meet on p411.  I’m definitely sticking with it as it’s the only light in a very dark tunnel now.

But since you asked nicely and said please... 😎

I don't need to invest anymore into it. I suggest focusing on the positives of the service that remain and not getting hung up on what's going away. Yes, it will be harder to search and set up appointments, but not that much IMO.  

I seriously have my doubts some of you are the high rollers you claim to be when you complain about the cost of places like P411, being that is only the cost of maybe a handjob in a parking lot.

What P411 will be in 6 months is unlikely to be what it will be like once this whole thing plays out.

in six months its likely to be GONE!    Don't be naïve.  Your lifetime membership, which they have long ago spent the money from, is not worth anything to a failing business.  It generates absolutely NO current revenues to fund operations.  As they trim back services and features, more recurring members will come to the realization that its no longer useful to them, and they will drop out, further reducing revenues.  To compound the problem, my understanding is that they are no longer taking NEW members.  There are only two ways to grow a business; get new customers, or get more money out of the customers you have already.  P411 is headed in a direction that does neither.  I would suggest framing your lifetime membership certificate and in 40 years, it might bring $50 on ebay from guy who collects memorabilia from the glory days of the sex industry in the US.

P411 has more than paid for itself already.  Best verification around.  They have cut back areas most subject to FOSATA/SESTA.  A lot of what you say here is wrong, but I am not publishing  info here given to "members only"  The true plan is much more optimistic.  P411 has always done a great job by me.  Nobody should be surprised by what they have done given the legal environment.

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Discussing purported p411 plans is probably plausibly deniable. Republishing the letter(s) less so.

they want to avoid being the guest of honor at a funeral.   New money coming in can keep them alive through these troubling times.  

but I'm betting the lifetime membership PS and some others paid is significantly higher.  

You need to factor in the cost of parking in downtown Tokyo and round trip airfare from NY.  The  shuttle bus alone, from midtown to JFK, is $35.

is equivalent to a little under three parking lot handjobs in NYC. But if you leave small tips it's just about equal.

surprised that you know the going rate for a parking lot HJ?   LOL

What is P411 actually verifying as legitimate?  
1) That she is a legitimate provider?  If you cannot use P411 to set up appointments, then how could P411 even verify that an appointment took place?  If it wasn't set up on their platform?  And if they cannot verify that an appointment took place, then how could P411 verify that the appointment was safe, not a rip off, yada yada yada.  
2) Has P411 ever verified that the pictures are legitimate?
3) Age?  Ha!
4) Number of okays given by a lady?  Double Ha!  Ladies that have given hundreds of okays select 10+ so that they don't appear to be "high volume."
5) And will you still be able to PM providers?  Why would I want to PM other dudes?  
So what are the benefits?  The value that I found with P411 was having a one stop shop (search, appointment request, post appointment okay).

As painful as it is to agree with GaGa, he is right.  For the majority of ladies the fact that I am a P411 member is enough.  They don't even access my profile.  For the rest of the ladies (or at least 99%) having quality okays is more than sufficient.  Most ladies indicate that the quality of guys they meet on P411 is way better than the quality of guys that they meet elsewhere.  Maybe because most guys on P411 care about their reputations whereas most guys found elsewhere do not.   There is no need to ever give personal information to a lady.  

P411 just wants to make as much money as possible while assuming as little risk as possible and providing as few benefits as possible.  These changes allow them to do that.  It is a business.  

Ditto, brother.  

Yes, but if you cannot use the platform to schedule appointments, then there is no way for P411 to verify that an appointment to place, let alone if you or anyone else was ripped off during an appointment.  

Even though you initiate a request from the site today, P411 doesn't verify an appointment is in place today as most of the confirmations happen via email outside the site. All that's going away is the initial contact from the site. You can still report any misdeeds to them as they want to make sure their members on both sides are reputable. So, I fail to see your point.

Now that is one good looking woman!!

You could whine all you want, but if they don't have any proof such as that as an appointment was made on their system, then it is very unlikely that they are going to do anything.  People can fake e-mails, yada, yada, yada.

red hair on her and you have Jessica Rabbit, a movie star I would fuck in a heartbeat.  Lol

Bottom line is it costs me no additional money to keep using P411.  If it did, then I would have a decision to make.

Please note that an Appointment Request will become an "Invite to View Profile" sent by the client. A contact WILL come through P411 after the changes but the ensuing booking exchange will take place outside of P411, which is what already occurs 95% of the time.

Will we lose our existing inbox? I have saved a number of existing contacts there in the form of responses to PM's

SALEM NH — A Salem woman and a Haverhill, Mass., man face prostitution charges after an incident behind Walmart Sunday afternoon.

don't seem to have the ability. (With thanks to Ron White)

What a woman who charges $25 for a sex act in the woods behind a Walmart must look like.  On a positive note, probably not enough teeth to cause any damage during a BJ.

In the east (and NE), it could be a toxic or poisonous experience in the woods if she is Ivy or Sumac.  
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Even worse would be if he (or she) got ticked off and came down with Lyme disease, normally not an STD.

with google.

I sent you an e-mail a few days ago and I didn't got any response. snif snif!
Did you got it or you're delayed?

I find the honestly refreshing. There is so much BS in the world of business and frankly when a company claims one thing usually I assume the opposite is at least being discussed if not likely true. So when I  hear a bit of what rings to be true even if it is not exactly good news, I am thankful and more confident in my dealings with said business. Gina has my loyalty exactly because she is frank and honest. If I smell BS I bolt. It is why I quit paying for TER. Too much BS.