Hello Team,

If you haven't seen her before, I see nothing wrong with that.  I had to send a picture of myself holding my Driver's License and another form of ID.  I used an insurance card and blocked out the important information.  You can edit pictures on your phone.

No. My position has always been that if my TER experience and Whitelists aren't sufficient then I'll move on. I've been retired for a while, but I would never have shared my Linkedin or other publicly available social media just to meet a provider.

that your alias is a little ambiguous.  We don't know if you are the one who is old, or if you see old ladies.  Is it "the old muff diver" or "the old-muff diver."  I think I know the answer, but still curious.  Lol

Sir, you have posted this mumbo jumbo multiple times. NO REPUTABLE SEX WORKER IS STEALING YOU INFO.  
You have said this MANY times, I have yet to see you post any verifiable information that this actually has happened to ANY client attempting to see a reputable provider.  
And I have also asked you multiple times to provide a way to confirm the identity of a protentional client as well as do a background check on them without the info you say is "unnecessary".  
We need to encourage safety for the client and the provider, and your attacks on provider screening tactics without a reasonable alternative is helping no one.

The Point is he is on p411.  p411 members don’t pay $179 just to share RWI.  I won’t comply either.

I moved on!  I am not paying P411 $179/yr only to have to disclose my Real Life Info!  As I understand a providers comfort level for safety, jthey should understand  our need for discretion…..When the two collide it is time to move on!

.. Like DL or a LinkedIn profile. I didn't have to do it for kgirls (strict screening requirements) and have never had a p411 lady ask me for it. What I've been running into more and more lately are deposit requests that I also will not do. I get why some providers ask for one but just like asking for personal info it is a deal breaker for me.

PII in exchange for the opportunity to pay you $$$ for an hour of your time?
No.
Deposit?
No.
Over 1k?
No.

I am completely open on how to verify the safety of a client yet NO ONE has yet to give any alternative options. I also was contacted last week by a gent who had contacted me several times for an appointment. He reluctantly sent his screening info, and *shockingly* when I did his background check he had spent time in jail for kiddie porn. Obviously a giant hell no for me. Do tell me again how I am supposed to confirm that all of you that are constantly posting this same rhetoric on here without any alternatives are helping anyone to make this industry more safe for all parties involved?

Exactly.  
Thoughts of the Ashley Madison debacle of a few years back come to mind. While there is always a concern for safety, we all stand to lose tremendously if certain information were to fall into the wrong hands.

You did not answer my question about how providers are supposed to protect themselves from deranged and dangerous clients like this.

Here’s an alternative: if you want to see the client’s PII, then share yours first. Then we’re both equally at risk. You have our PII in case we no-show or do you harm, and we have yours for the same reason. If we have nothing to worry about then you don’t either.

works for me.  When seeing indies, I give two RECENT provider references and my phone number.  If they are not smart enough to get someone in the sisterhood to cooperate in giving them a reference after I have paid the reference for her time in giving the reference when requested, then I put a line through her name move on to the next name on my list.  For those that have P411, that should be all they need, but I'm not giving my personal info to them either.  Why do providers need to know that real name and personal info of a customer when they are not ready to give out their own personal information?  It's not really "mutual" safety when it only flows one way.  If you are willing to give your home address and drivers license number for the customer to screen you, YOU will be the first I have ever heard of setting a level playing field when it comes to safety.  

I do sessions out of my home. I am also an open sex worker so my real identity is known and public. You are still not answering my question.

No one here is obliged to answer your question.  
To the extent I feel like doing so, I'll submit that the women I've seen all seem quite satisfied with references. Apparently you and some other ladies are not. So be it. Plenty of room for everyone on the bus.

No one is obliged to answer because no one has an honest answer. So clearly you are saying that I am being the unreasonable person here because I should be seeing convicted pedophiles because I should be OK with the fact they have seen another provider and there were no issues? I have taken references instead and also P411, but this incident really made me take pause. Again, I am completely open to suggestions as how to proceed to confirm the safety of all parties involved. But I have zero desire to be in the intimate company of pedophiles, rapists, or wife beaters.

As to screening to protect your safety, I'd suggest you do as many of us do. I don't see any ladies without a sufficient number of positive TER reviews to make me feel comfortable. You can do the same. Read a gent's TER reviews. Verify them with a provider or two. Consider his OKs on P411. Check the blacklists. If anything makes you uncomfortable, decline the date. Nothing is failsafe, but it's worked well for me and a lot of us.
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That said, if you're filling your schedule at the levels that you prefer and are earning your desired monthly/annual income based on only seeing gents who will provide you with their PII, then if I were you I wouldn't change anything. By analogy, when I was a practicing lawyer I charged one of the highest hourly rates in the metropolitan area where I was based. When prospective clients or other lawyers asked why my rates were so high compared to others I always answered "because people are willing to pay them to see me."

Great comment. Case closed.

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Hello CDL,

Hello WIMissScarlet,

I didn't say you "have" to do anything. Quite the opposite--I acknowledged that each of us makes her or his own rules ("plenty of room on the bus").  
Do as you will, but please don't claim I said something that I didn't.

on the meaning of the alias.  Now, when I read your posts, I will have a much more palatable image of you in my head with a girl half your age or more.  Lol

I will beg for p**sy.
I will pay for p**sy.

Why? This is a fuck board. You're allowed to say "Pussy," "Cock," "Fuck" etc. and not use "***."
Oh, and I think your excellent expression was also used first here by a former member.

I give two RECENT references, and the provider I'm going to see can ask them any questions they want.  I have told my refs to answer honestly.  If that's not enough, you don't have anything to worry about, because we will never meet.  See how it slides both ways.  If you want more info, and I say no, the screening problem fixes itself and another lady is getting my money.  It's not complicated.

Today, there are Swifties who will kill for a Taylor Swift ticket.
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Patsy Cline fans are fans but not Crazy.
They will beg for Patsy.
They will pay for Patsy.
But they will not beg to pay for Patsy.
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THAT would be Crazy,
Crazy for trying and crazy for crying
And crazy for loving you.

...who have a problem with PII falling into bad hands.  I have yet to hear (after multiple requests) how you safely handle/store/delete client info.

....personal contact with clients who might just be despicable sons of bitches, perhaps a career change is in order??  The pedo you avoided was a guy that got caught, the wife beater, rapists etc with track records are guys that got caught.  When you do your background check, you still really have no idea who's showing up on your doorstep.  Yes, you can weed out the guys that got caught.  Your best be is to see guys who have been vetted by other gals in this community.  Chances are if they were treated respectfully, you will also be treated in a similar manner.

Intense screening is normal. But you just need to speak to her about your privacy more

1) I used voice input on this post.  Blame the folks on big G's Android voice input team for this one. My bad for not correcting it.
2) Yes, it's not original, it's as old as time.

https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/someone-to-leave-off-your-to-see-list-1008447?page=1

I just pass up the ones who want all that extra info. If 411 isn’t good enough then we aren’t a fit. Plenty of other intelligent partners that would like to make a business transaction.

based on this thread, it appears that it is consensus that providing personal info such as linkedin, driver licenses, etc. is excessive and for the most part unreasonable.