Hello clients!!

I am doing a sex trafficking study. Please be aware that NO names will used in this study. Please also if you are more comfortable send me a DM with the answers.  The more responses I get, the better. THANK YOU!!!  

1. Have you ever been with a provider you felt was under the age of 18?
2. Have you ever been with a provider you felt was being sex trafficked?  
3. Did you feel you could or could not go to LE with this info, if yes. Why or why not?  

This study is being done to confirm if the current laws in place hinder a client from reporting underage sex workers and/or sex trafficking.  

Thank you!!!!  

1,  No
2. likely
3.  No, for obvious reasons

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Thank you for all of the responses I have received!!! I appreciate the honesty and candid responses. Keep them coming!!!  YOU are helping!!!

1. I don't know. I don't remember. I still know two sisters that are around the age to be if they were 18 back then. But they could have been a year lesser. I don't really know.  But I was young too.  
2. NO
3. No because I don't have that information. Oh, the yes needs more info. The "no" needs no explanation.

1. No
2. No
3. Not applicable

1) Yes, I am sure I have been with someone under age 18 "sometime" since I have been seeking providers. To be 100% candid about it, I have a feeling my very first time with a hooker she was under 18, but I was only 15 myself and this was in a strip club in Tijuana, so it's hardly the same thing as a grown man having sex with a trafficked minor he found on an internet site. Now if you are asking if I've been with an underage provider during "modern times" the answer is an unequivocal NO

 
2) The same goes for sex trafficking, before I was even old enough to be served a legal alcoholic beverage, I had been in brothels in at least a half a dozen different countries and I had also been with countless street walkers. We are talking 40 years ago, and I was a kid myself at the time, how could I possibly look back and speculate about which ones "might" have been trafficked that far back. The percentage of street walkers with pimps "back in the day" was huge, but the question is hardly relevant today. Now, again if you are talking about "modern times" my answer would be dramatically different.

 
3) As for your third question. I don't think this is the answer you are looking for, but "if" I were to run into a situation where I felt a girl was doing this against her will, the threat of being prosecuted myself wouldn't slow me down for a second in doing something about it, and I would hope that everyone else here would not turn a blind eye either, but knowing how cowardly most "hobbyists" are, I know my hopes are misplaced.  

 
I have said this dozens if not hundreds of times on this board. Gays and Stoners have a thousand times more courage than "hobbyists" By and large hobbyists are the most cowardly and hypocritical people I have EVER met. OTOH, I have met a lot of hookers and whoremongers that I have a lot of respect for.

Who you calling coward and hypocrite?  
Ok, yeah I was cowardly at first. But with time you become a professional at this and you get brave.  

I've never been a hypocrite. Maybe a little bit sarcastic and how you say when somebody doesn't care? But never hypocritical. I will scream in the middle of the street that I see providers because nobody wanted to have sex with me for free. The funny thing is people would past you buy like nothing... Like you just one of the many standing on the street yelling whatevers.

I'll gladly accept that mantle of coward in regards to avoiding underage girls.  Prison time and social exclusion are things I would prefer to avoid.   I have seen a few 18 year old SB's.  But I made them prove their date of births.   (And I actually prefer mature women, but that's another topic.)

The only agency I ever dealt with was for K and J girls that toured through Minneapolis.  Otherwise I deal with SB's or independent pros.  So really no likely chance of me encountering a traffic'd girl.   So how I would handle uncovering a trafficking situation, I can't say for sure.  It's easy to be a keyboard commando about it.   Mere suspicion without proof could end up siccing LE on a perfectly nice girl.  How would I know with any degree of certainty she was trafficked?  Especially since we all know it is in the interest of any escort to claim to be forced into the lifestyle when they are pinched by LE.  They'd be foolish not to claim it.  

But it is all theoretical, since my lifestyle doesn't really intersect the supposed trafficked element.

being coward of avoiding underage providers. I'm not a coward, I just don't play that. I'm kind of slow and don't get the whole meaning from a single reading. Sometimes I need an explanation of what is written. Thanks.  

No, No, I take it back. I do understand it. He said just like me, he probably had seen underage girls in his youth. But he has not in "modern times". So if you don't dare say that even if it might happened, that makes you a coward and a hypocrite.  
Yeah, I'm that slow I'm still here debating this message. Either that or I have nothing else better to do. But I think I got it. Let's see what Gagambler has to say.  

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I think he was saying if he'd already boinked an underage girl and found out about it, he'd turn himself over to the police.  I'm saying my lifestyle wouldn't likely put me in that position in the first place.  I'm a pre-coward.

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What I was saying about "hobbyists" being cowards, and that "gays and stoners" have more guts was more along the lines about standing up for ourselves, not about doing underage girls. Not wanting to have sex with children is not cowardice, it's a mix of decency and self preservation.

 
But back to gays and stoners. Gays used to be scared, (and with good reason) about coming out of the closet, stoners had the same fears, literally millions of people ended up in jail/prison for personal drug use. Both Gays and stoners fought for their rights to be mainstream, SOMEONE had to be the first to stand up and be counted for things to change. Hobbyists refuse to stand up to be counted, but they whine about the Draconian Laws against prostitution. My point is, if hobbyists are too ashamed or too chickenshit to stand up for themselves they forfeit their right to whine IMO

 
For the record EVERYONE who has been to a Asian Apartment Agency or an AMP is 100% guilty of seeing trafficked women by the way the LE, the MSM and the idiot politicians define "trafficked" Whether or not the woman was a willing participant is completely irrelevant to such people, if they are part of something "organized" than by definition they are being trafficked according to these so called experts.

Many years ago, in the exact location I do not clearly recall other than it was a small town on the Nevada circuit.   If you’re a pro musician on the west coast you know what I’m talking about.  Pay the dues learn the blues.

1. Possibly.  She assured me she was 20, but  I was doubtful.
2.  She was definitely trafficked.  She told me she was from Montana and her parents  sold her to a brothel owner when she was 14.  From there she learned the trade and bounced around “you know, from there to here”.  She was now working at a legal brothel in this small town.
3.  It would have been pointless.  The brothel was owned by the town sheriff.  Technically it was owned by his “wife” because at the time brothels in that county could only be owned by women.  

I did not have sex with her.  The sheriff really liked the band and opened the house to us (freebies).  But I was young and in love with the girl of my dreams back home, so I didn’t go in back.  I sat in the bar and she was one of the girls chatting me up so who knows if her tale was true.  But I tend to connect to people right off and I could see she was a survivor.  A true one per center.  I was a starving musician but I gave her my last $20 bill for that week.  I could eat at the free buffet at the venue.

Sad thing is, when I got back home I found out the girl of my dreams ran off with a guitar player.   Paying the dues learning the blues.  True story.

Was her name "Fancy" and did her momma spend every last cent on a pretty dress?

This was long before that tune and when it came out I thought of that poor girl.  Its a sad circumstance more common than we’d like to know or think about.  You can believe it or not. If you are making light of the circumstance then thats all on you.

My thoughts exactly....

First on Is NO for sure  
Second is No but there were few felt had to do it for money I try to avoid them. Find one that don't need the money save you some and better time. Trust me still have to pay.  
Third "the protect and serve the police" hell no but have gone to LE to when was blocked in room by a pimp who was going to rob me in bad hotel in Jacksonville Florida. And the time was all bloody

So there's that.

1.  No.  A few college girls, yes, but "underage" is a major red flag for me.  I'm highly unlikely to try to see anyone who appears to be under 18, so it's seldom an issue *for me*.

2.  I've seen a couple of situations where someone else was obviously in *charge* (e. g., she hands the envelope to another woman, who goes off to another room), but I certainly got the feeling that they were working together.

3.  Generally, yes.  I reported a ripoff once when the dude threatened me if I didn't move along, and had to answer some uncomfortable questions when LE showed up, but I've never felt like I could skip out on reporting.

1. Have you ever been with a provider you suspected was under the age of 18?

Nope. I like older women anyway, so my proclivities lean toward MILFs and cougars. I've never been in danger of being with an underager.

 

2. Have you ever been with a provider you thought was being sex trafficked?

Yes, yes, yes, yes. She was an independent who I called and confirmed an appointment for later that night. First tip-off of possible trafficking was when I showed up for the incall and she didn't know the name she was supposedly using according to her online ad.  I thought it was a bait-and-switch, but she was definitely the same woman in the photos. It was obvious to me right then that she was with an agency, not an independent at all. She gave me some flimsy excuse as to why a different name showed on the website, I can't remember exactly what it was now, but I bought it.  
Red flag number two was that she didn't know what was on her menu. Half of what I wanted to do in bed she said, "Oh, I don't do that." I confronted her about it, asked her hadn't she written it in her ad, she sort of stammered and said that she had, but I knew she was lying. Not only had she not written the ad, she had never read it, had never even seen it.
She admitted to me that I was right, but then gave me some song and dance about the photographer being better at computers than she was, so he had written the ad for her. Yeah, right. I leaned in close and whispered in her ear in case we could be overheard, asked her to tell me if she was being trafficked, if she was doing it against her will, if she wanted me to get her some help. She denied all, assured me that she was really independent and really wanted to go through with our arrangements.

 

3. Did you feel you could or could not go to LE with this info, if yes. Why or why not?

I did not, because I didn't have enough to go on. Many agencies in Tijuana have their providers listed online as independents, and that's what I thought was going on here. Their reasons are that they pocket a majority of the donations, I guess.

1. No.
2. No.
3. NA.

In Europe:
1. No.
2. Yes
3. I talked to them and they focus on the criminal gangs in the countries where they women come from and try to shut down the source. As escorting is itself is not illegal in Europe - only making money off the women - they focus on "pop-up" brothels - which I never visited. The ones that have web sites are frequently visited by the police to confirm that there are no underaged or trafficked women working there. See an example of one below.

Flag 2 seems to be incredibly weak for concluding trafficking. Generally someone that is the victim of sexual trafficking is really unlikely to say "I don't do that." They don't get a choice. They have to go along with whatever is done.

 
Sounds to me more like you came across a subtle scam/service bate and switch game.

1. Yes.  I was 18  and the beautiful blonde at this Midwest Massage Parlor told me she was 17. One of my 1st P4P trysts!
2. No. I typically do not patronize Asian Ladies, although I am sure Latinas and American girls are trafficked.
3.  My advice to everyone here both players and providers is Never engage with LE. Cops lie under oath, if you are caught up in a sting, they will pit one cop up against the other, (good cop vs bad cop), Cops will tell you? The provider has spilled the beans, you need to fess up or the charges will be more dire.  Finally the most corrupt cops will lean on the most vulnerable sex workers, in order to have their sexual needs satisfied for free, in order for these ladies to ply their trade. Again Never Trust A Cop.  Avoid them like the plague.