And there are providers who are assholes.
Apparently some classless monger sent this in an opening email, and now he’s being put on blast on Twitter from the provider community.
Wondering if any of our provider friends here have encountered similar introductions?
perception, and is always YMMV. A guy who routinely pays $1500 for an escort may think she looks like a bargain at $1000, while a guy who mostly pays $500 may think she's overpriced, but can a customer really say one way or the other until he has taken the plunge and booked her? Because of the infinite number of variables between any two individuals, I agree its a completely inappropriate question, especially if he is a new customer asking about menu options.
With that said, if a woman asked ME why I was worth $1000, I would give her a straight answer in the most graphic terms possible. If that doesn't get her juices flowing, then I might be willing to negotiate something lower, . . . . .but my absolute minimum is $3.62, or I walk away. Lol
Apparently it's more than OK to out the email address, name of a monger and such for asking a simple question?
Now, if the roles were reversed, and it was the providers info on blast? They would lose their entire shit.
The question may be lacking some tact, but it is a legit question. A customer asks that question routinely when buying goods and services. And salespeople answer it all the time. What makes that car worth 10 more thousand than the next one?
Why should I pay 1000 more for another lawyer? And so forth.
Some providers think because it's pussy they're selling, they're special and exempt from basic buy/sell relationship. I haven't met a seller of service or good outside the p4p industry whod think it was beneath them to explain why their product or good or service was worth the price they set.
We're talking about people not a fkn object. Buy a clue.
Yes. It's completely different, if it wasn't, it'd legal. I'll take it you're one of those that sees us women as an object then. Thank you for clarifying that.
A lawyer provides a service.
A cmt provides a service
A physical therapist provided a service
A provider provides a service
What's the difference? Sounds like you need to buy a clue yourself.
"if it wasn't it'd be legal"
So, it's not different in Canada or Mexico? It's legal there. But different here... Right, gotcha.
Thank you for clarifying you are OK with outing a clients personal info and private correspondence over an inquiry of "what makes your service worth the money".
I think you need to take a breath.
Thank you for clarifying you are OK with outing a clients personal info and private correspondence over an inquiry of "what makes your service worth the money".
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You could have fooled me. I hope this doesn't mean you aren't coming back. Seriously. Don't do it....
I apologize, you in fact didn't say this, agreed.
I don't understand the quip about true colors though.
Showing true colors means you've been hiding something. I'm pretty open about liking to argue and about thinking hobby business that is supposed to be two-way is skewed too much towards the provider side.
It's probably a fake email and name. But I don't agree with sharing it regardless. Just share the info not the actual name and email. Even on other sites for my other job we are not allowed to share names on public forums. That will get u in the HR office quick.
Agree. The issue was worth sharing, but it wasn’t necessary to screen shot the whole email.
Agree with both of you. Completely fine to comment on the question or cite it.
Not cool taking a screenshot of email dudes name and so forth.
100% tacky question. I might feel differently if she quoted him out of context, ie, he was trying to be funny, but I doubt it.
As for role reversal, what do you think reviews are, not to mention posts here or on local boards criticizing a provider's tacky behavior? (refer to "Gift card complaints" thread as a recent example.
Last, but not least, I doubt that this was a true "outing" of the monger. Only a complete idiot would use his real-life email.
The fuck?
Reivews disclose personal info? Reviews disclose pictures of private conversations? Reviews depict the session that was paid for.
The fact that you seem OK with divulging info like this publicly, over an innocuous question of why should a prospective client choose her, even tho with not a lot of tact, is telling.
Why not just reply privately with the same lack of tact?
Only a complete idiot would use his real-life email.
Whether someone is an idiot or not is irrevant to the fact of putting someone's private convo and info on blast.
but more importantly newbies. In fact, she did the us a favor.
First a few lessons re communications:
1. Use a hobby email address and phone. Fortunately for the guy in question, a quick Google search doesn’t reveal anything else about Mr Are You Worth It. The closest hit was a probably coincidental likeness to an EBay buyers account.
2. Don’t ask a provider to volunteer explicit info, especially before you’ve been screened.
3. Don't open or engage in time wasting conversations. This guy gave no indication that he was actually going to spring $1,000 for a date. Actually gave no indication that he was going to spring for a date at any price.
Finally, a reminder to think about the big picture.
4. Remember that there’s always some risk associated with this hobby. There are plenty of really solid precautions to take, but always operate with the understanding that no precaution is 100% foolproof.
Who's "us"?
She certainly didn't do me any fucking favors. Pretty sure she didn't do the guy in question any favors either.
Yep and the boards here could use a good bit more of that type of contribution.
Is that what he considers it?
A "teachable moment" and a "favor" when one side blasts the other side's private info over a question they did not like?
Wow. Once again I guarantee if anyone was to expose a providers private info over a question they did not like, not a single soul on here would say it's a "teachable moment" for providers. They would all talk what a Pos the person who exposed the personal info was. And rightfully so.
How come I dont hear this about the provider in question? Ah right the provider is special, she haz bobz and vagene and she gets a gentle slap on the wrist at worst, if that, for disclosing pii of the other party.
When a provider does a piece of shit thing to monger, it's a "teachable moment". Right.
The whole concept of finding a teachable moment is based on taking knowledge and lessons learned out of a bad situation.
Not one poster here, monger or provider, has said disclosing Mr Are You Worth It’s email was a good thing.
And, I specifically spelled it this way to reflect the meme btw. If you quote, please keep the original spelling
You’re still overreacting. Your rebuttal is based on the false premise that this business is asymmetric. Take away the premise, and your argument implodes on itself.
I didn't make any rebuttal. I simply replied to you who said not one person said what the provider said was good.
I said multiple people didn't say what she did was BAD. Yet the same people did blame the monger for being rude/wasting time. It's like blaming one other side for being annoying when the other murders a person. The "crimes" here aren't even remotely comparable.
One person even went as far as comparing an outing to a review. Which is the most of the most idiotic comparison I've seen.
Oh, and Ive seen multiple people here trying to justify or doenplay the outing because a google search did not find his name. What a fucking joke. What matters is that the correspondence was leaked and posted of his name without his approval.
Then you accused me of being mysonigistic. When its actually not true - I won't hesitate to call anyone who outs the other side as a piece of shit (and I didn't stutter - a piece of SHIT), no matter if they are female or male. The problem is that it some people think outing is ok if the guy is wasting time/being rude.
The teachable moment is on both sides. If you look at CKS's post, he states "Use a hobby email address and phone." Isn't that a "teachable moment" to protect the guys? He didn't condone what the provider did at all.
Imho, both the guy and the provider were out of bounds here. I despise what that guy sent her re: her worth, but I also don't think the punishment for that fit the crime.
Outing someone should only be for extremely serious offenses and while I think what the guy sent was rude, ill advised and demeaning, I don't think it rises to the level of an extreme offense. Just my 2 cents.
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there is a lot of room for interpretation in what constitutes a "extremely serious offenses", just as you suggest. If you get a provider who overreacts at a perceived offense that really isn't too bad, and outs the customer, potentially ruining his life, then that provider should be avoided forever. There is no coming back from bad judgment that could ruin someone's life. Of course, outing the personal info of a provider who is UTR with her family and friends is just as bad, so it cuts both ways. I prefer to see providers who have a history of discretion and respect our privacy the same way that I respect theirs. There is hardly any dispute that cannot be handled privately. There is no need to go public unless it rises to the level of a crime that should be a police matter. Then you report it, but you have to accept the consequences that it MAY become public.
As possible. So that others don't fall victim to the same mistake. This is what mongers as a community should do imo. The only power mongers have is on public forums and/or reviews. Make your power count and light a fire under providers who break lives and out info that is supposed to be private.
Fuck people who out pii info. Fuck them hard, and not in a sexual way.
What members fail to see is that only by using our numbers does anything have a chance of being effective. This case is a great example. Us discussing this here has limited reach. A few of us addressing the issue on Twitter would be similarly ineffective. But doing both of those and more would reach a critical mass where she would feel the pinch of her shit conduct and — importantly — other providers would take notice and learn that there's a price to pay for crossing certain lines.
And that's the way I feel about raising issues with TER. Do that first. Send them Problem Reports, PMs, and whatever, but if it reaches a point where it becomes clear they are not going to do anything to remedy the situation — bring it to the forums, at which point WE need to care enough to collectively raise the issue.
Are you actually bothered by this, or just looking for an excuse to derail a thread?
I am derailing a thread about a provider who outed a monger because she was offended by the question.. by talking about a provider who outed a monger because she ass offended by the question?
LOL. Good one.
BTW that tweet doesn't exist anymore and her Twitter account doesn't either. If you give me her profile or id, I'll be glad to make warning threads about her on any forums I'm on.
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This would have been funny if it weren't for the fact it's been so mind-numbingly repeated.
While arguing with others and claiming no one is taking things serious enough or being outspoken enough about what is clearly undesirable you've completely missed you opportunity to actually follow your own demands. Which puts you in a rather ironic position. You could be the poster child of those the do as I say and not as I do type.
I did not demand anything.
I merely took some offense with people who blamed the monger for the tact less question, yet ignored the elephant in the room - the provider outing the said monger. That's all. I do not like double standards, especially applied to this hobby.
Gotta love Twitter. LMFAO.
Regarding a lawyer don't go cheap it never works out!
I mean, she does have a book in the picture.
Guys, he may lack tact, but then we'll need to invent a new word for her level tactlessness. She has a hell of a nerve not blurring his name and email address.
Regardless of the question, as off-putting as she may have taken it. That's a huge red flag to blast someone over twitter. Just all around bad for business, wow.
I would never visit a provider who outed someone's email (or other real life info) for such a petty reason.
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I agree the question is guaranteed to elicit a negative response, but simply ignoring it would be more appropriate than exposing the person's info.
to do was cut and paste this verbiage from her website in her response to him:
"My rates reflect my exclusivity and preference for longer dates that allow our connection to unravel organically over shared interests and palatable cuisines. However, I do offer shorter engagements for those with limited free time."
Instead, she chose to display her narcissistic character.
There are some hobbyists who have nothing better to do.
Assuming the $1000 is for an hour, no "extras or special services", not published actor/model, I'm wondering the same. Actually, I'm more curious who pays those rates. noobs? You really can't blame them for charging rates that customer's will pay. My guess is that they are just fishing for these noobs to create low volume sugar daddies, but just a guess.
They did it when I was $200. They did it when I was $400. They still do it with what I provide that hardly anyone else provides . I just let those who see the worth book and the rest well it's their loss. They can keep getting scammed. Just let it roll off your back. I get plenty of business and I am sure you do as well.
What makes her worth 1k is clients. If a provider set a price point and clients didn’t book her then that provider would have to make adjustments to her donation.
He should be asking the guys who have seen her.
Wondering if any of our provider friends here have encountered similar introductions?
It actually did seem somewhat common back about 18-20 years ago when another site (big doggie?) was more popular in my home area. There was a group of guys there who organized meet & greets and many of them had that approach, which caught on with other hobbyists.
I'm not the "pick me" type in any form so I never bothered. 
