I have never been with a girl who solely advertises off of backpage and probably never will as I am a chicken shit but I have noticed quite a bit of difference in how the girls choose to run ads on it. The girls who actually include links to reviews, a website, a e-mail address and most importantly their rates become more interesting to me.

 The ones who only say I am great,just trust me not so much! I prefer to set things up by mail as it is and I really,really do not want to discuss donations over the phone and I can just imagine if I was dumb enough to do so a girl might say $500.00 and I would just laugh my ass off besides having wasted my time. It just blows my mind that obviously so many guys are willing to TOFT on a girl based on just a pic, talk about thrill seeking!

A few months ago I met a provider who was having stalker issues. She had to change her phone # and move to a different part of town. She took down her ads from her usual mall, took new stills under a different name, and posted ads on BP. So, yes, there are some classy women who end up there, but I'm sure her case is the exception and not the rule.

That's what TER is for after all. If she checks out here, you are good to go. This bullshit paranoia about BP is totally unwarranted.

Eros has had quite the month, for a moment it seemed on several boards there were photo verified concerns and even safety concerns about the women posting there.

I agree to an extent, but to ignore the FACT that more stings originate on BP is also a bit naive and even more dangerous, especially to newbies who know nothing about reviews, much less TER. It has more to do with LE than fake photos, which only piss a guy off but don't get him arrested or killed. There are BP girls and there are girls who simply advertise on BP, though. For my former business model as LR, I would have been laughed off this board if I used it once my rate reached a certain point and the same goes for many others.  

Yes, LE is on EVERY site there is, but do some research on news channels where actual busts are broadcasted and tell me the site they are from... nuff said. Why would anyone want to put an even bigger target on their ass? Oh well...

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There may be a certain part of town that is known for bad restaurants. A friend says to you "lets go to Restaurant X" and that joint happens to be in that part of town with the shitty restaurants.

Would you knee jerk it and say "Oh no, that place sucks b/c all the others near it suck?" That's illogical. You do your research THEN decide how to advise your friend.

BP, Eros, Slixa, etc doesn't matter one bit to me where I find them. It only matters where, and if, I can verify them.  

Your point about the marketing/advertising part though is spot on. I wouldn't advertise there if I were a higher end girl due to BP's poor perceived rep by many mongers. I just think the rep is not justified, imo

If some of you need threads posted in a language you can better understand please let us know lol.

might be legit or be a scam. I have seen a few providers from BP but ONLY after verifying the recent reviews these providers have here on TER. Yes, VIP is necessary to read the details in the reviews.

Slixa,
RS2K
P411
have a website  
have many years of TER reviews.

I say look anywhere you want..  if the provider can back themselves up with other more reputable, reliable advertising vessels then you are golden and good to go if you like her reviews and her services!

I always tell clients when searching for someone to see to do their homework. I suggest looking for ladies with extensive TER reviews and a professional website.  I am also a huge RS2K fan and promote it a lot!  

I know of MANY other reputable, really good providers who are on BP too.  I exchange references quite often with many of them and that is how I get to know of them.  It's just one place along with many others to advertise.  

Lastly, when I review stats on my website. a huge chunk of the % is from BP originally!  Hope my info is helpful.
Carl

But there are parts of the country where there's no other source.  And even around here there are touring girls who use it.  As long as she's got reviews and a web site, what's the problem?

I did touch on it from the newbie stance, though. For you guys, doing the research prevents most any problem you could run into... for providers, you can only screen so much. The fact is, I never ran into problems on any site but BP and another site that closed down in the very early stages of my provider career, so I am basing it purely on that and from countless arrests, all coming from Backpage.  

If I knew that 100 busts a year came from x site and only 2 from another (at least from what was documented proof), it is very logical to avoid the site that is known for the MOST negative attention. New Orleans and Baton Rouge are still being hit hard from that site... they really don't seem to bother with many others because there are not as many obvious drug addicts and pimps... sure, they are still there, but it's not as in your face as the crap on BP.  

I just don't see the need to be lumped in with a group of providers running 100 dollar specials or who can't even string two sentences together in a coherent manner. For some, that is the EXACT reason they use it... they are like the shining star in the load of crap so they get noticed for not being an idiot.  

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I started this adventure, being a reviewed/working provider, at the beginning of this school year.
It was suggested to me then, by a stripper turned BP gal, that I should let her stick me in her ad (edit feature right...)  But I declined.

I live in a fairly small area, used to work at the same strip club, and I know for a fact, the 20 or so gals from this area who post there are a laughing stock (at least by the bouncers at my old club.)
I would have been outed in 1 day flat had I agreed.

On top of, that embarrassing outing, there is a local "RM Crime Fighting" group/page, that less than a week after my decline of her offer, had posted pictures, aliases, & a very slanderous "We know who you prostitutes are; spreading your diseases here." On facebook!!!!
I can not tell you how many of my family & friends follow that page on there. I was horrified & relieved that I did NOT allow my old co-worker to drag me into it. Her face & name were up there as well.
I guess one of the girls threatened facebook with some lawyer, since she has never been arrested for prostitution, & got the pictures removed. But all the other information remains. And they are all outed.

Glad I followed my gut.

Now, I have reviewed all these ads, all the pictures, all the prices (gotta stay up on the local competition, right?)
My rate is higher than any other gals up there locally, granted I am reviewed 6x on here, I do not "live in a hotel."  (I suppose only meaning, I will have a roof over my head regardless. Not trying to 'dis any chick who stays in the room.) I have searched the ads for the word "reviewed" and "review" and only one gal had an actual link to a review page. The other two that had the word review, had no link, apparently just knew the word "reviewed" made their ad look better.

There's a couple of very young, fit chicks who could probably give me a run for my money, looks wise, I do not think I am a 10, maybe not a 9, but an 8, yes. (Hey, I have a very beautiful face & damn near perfect teeth )
Most of the other girls locally on BP, ewww. Just.... ew.

If LE goes after anyone locally, it's gonna be the BP girls first.
Most of the setups I have heard of (yes, us ladies know of these things, even if we don't participate in such unscrupulous behavior) have been off of BP. Robbing poor unsuspecting hobbyist....

All around speaking, at the bottom of the food chain are the street walkers & drug addicts, then BP girls, one rung up the ladder.
That is the way it is around my neck of the woods.

I can't put this labeling on other parts of the USA, but I can tell you, if you hear me speak negatively of BP or BP girls, now you know why. -- Modified on 4/29/2014 8:20:47 AM

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Just playing! I did like your sarcasm, I too, feel your pain at people not seeming to have comprehension when writing in plain old English.

That is a thing of the past, BP no longer allows a link to be in the ad, but wouldn't that be nice if they did. I had tried putting a review link in an ad on BP (about a year ago) because so many callers kept asking me if I had any reviews for them to check. I thought it would save both caller and I time/aggravation if I put the link in my ad. My ad would not post, kept getting rejected and I wanted to know WHY? After an email and a phone call, the answer was: because a link to another site directs their readers away from theirs. SAME as this site doesn't allow me to use even a url link to post my pic here if its a url link linking back to my picture I've posted on another review site (N.R's, Big D. etc.)

Well said

If you say reviewed and use the same phone number, that's all a guy needs.

and what some women do to one another. As if there should be a hooker hierarchy

Did you bother to even read the link you attached? It's talking about classes of providers not the websites they choose to advertise on. Care to try again with an accurate example? My last paragraph was about Marketing and Branding, not gas lighting... I would think someone who went to a top business school would not have skipped the basic principles of brand suicide.  

There are women who refuse to use Eros, P411 and even TER... I refused to be on BP as have many others.  There is no paranoia or phobia here... it's common sense when your rate is five times higher than the average provider on x site, NOT to use it because you're not going to get any freaking business from it. I mean duh. It is also common sense to notice that x amount of busts in your town have ALL come from BP, and again, avoid putting yourself at even more risk but common sense escapes some I suppose.  

That's not saying all women who 'use' x site are beneath anyone, but please... don't tell me where I should advertise and what I should deem as a profitable site or that I am somehow putting fear into people to avoid it. I could not give two shits what another woman does with her vagina, but I am stating the facts about the site while you are trying to rationalize as usual. While we are at it, if I don't want to accept a reference from a provider who does not have a website, offers BBFS or has been busted, I don't have to do that either. What's acceptable and ok for you does not have to be that way for every provider out there. You're becoming rather tiring trying to convince people of the utter bs you like to pass off as gospel.  

BP has more stings and negative attention than most any other site (USAG as well) ... that is a FACT. If you want to use it please do so, but stop getting so bent out of shape when 8 out of 10 people find it a joke. Are you feeling that because they dog out the site, they are also dogging you out? That explains a lot, if so. No, I did not want to be advertising amongst women who have pimps, are crackheads and suck d*ck for less than what I pay for a haircut. Would I GIVE them a reference? Damn right, but I would never accept one. Oh well... welcome to being your own boss.  

No one is going to change how they feel about that site just because your feathers seem to get ruffled every time the subject comes up. If someone sat here and said CIM was disgusting, do you honestly think as a former CIM provider, I would give two shits and not do it just because they thought it was gross? If you were truly comfortable and secure with yourself and with using BP, you would not spend so much time trying to dismiss the facts regarding the exposure and reputation of the site and getting pissed when others point out the obvious. It is what it is.  

 
I am well aware that in some areas of the country, BP is ALL there is and the women who use it are of a higher caliber. I was not from an area where that was the exception.  

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Thank you for actually addressing the issues without dismissing them to feel better about yourself lol. If BP was where I wanted to advertise and I did not feel it was any more exposed than the sites I did use, I would say flat out I use it, will use it and whomever has a problem with it can go fk themselves. I would NOT act like it's the fkin gem of the hobby world, has hardly any busts and crawling with nothing but upscale providers, because that is simply not the case.

is because the condescending remarks, ridicule and assumptions that usually come from those posts add to the stigma of sex work, it has nothing to do with whether I'm secure enough with myself. Your numerous comments about seeing 2-5 people a month and even when touring only seeing 2 a day seem to be a justification for something, perhaps that you "didn't do it much".

I'm well aware of the price structures used in marketing platforms, a $1000 dress is not going to be found at Target. What I do get flustered over is women like yourself, who continuously put down other women. Maybe those women can't put 2 sentences together because they didn't have access to education, maybe they can't get $500 to put a website together, maybe they have no technology skills and so they are left with a low number of choices, and end up at an agency because they provide an incall.

Backpage is an important tool in sex work in the US, quoting from an article I enjoyed reading, "For people engaged in the sex trade, low-cost advertisers such as Backpage can increase work safety and mean the difference between economic opportunity and poverty."

So yes, I will continue to defend the site.

THAT is my issue! If you want to say you like it, use it and will not stop... fine, but don't sit here and try to convince people that the most educated providers and clients are on it, because one look proves that notion WRONG.  

What does my volume have to do with anything? Any idiot could see I was on TER for hours a day when I was a provider so it would have been impossible for me to work much, and most everyone knows I ran an agency for 10 years whilst providing.  

You 'think' that BP is a good hobby tool, and I as well as many others disagree. Why do you think they closed down CL, Cosette? Duh... If you want to take references from pimps and drug addicts, by all means go ahead. It is YOUR life that is at stake by doing so, not mine.  

And, please don't make an ass of yourself because YOU have put down women as well.. shall I bring up your post to Angel and her not being as educated as you or even having a website as good... both are subjective, by the way. Having a Bachelors degree does not a scholar make.  

Let me break it down for you... I do not give two shits what you think about me, hon. You justify, dismiss and rationalize every stupid and risky thing you do in this business by labeling others as judging you vs. looking in the fkin mirror about how stupid some of your actions have been, all the while claiming to be so educated.  

You take EVERY post about a site as a direct insult on you personally, otherwise no sane person would EVER react the way you do. You can defend it all you want, and others can laugh their asses off. It's really that simple. I don't put others down... I simply point out their inconsistencies, contradictions and bogus claims.  

You can't even link an accurate example that correlates with that post you claimed was gas lighting. Good lord...  

As to your quote... how exactly does a site MOST TARGETED by LE add to safety of the community? Most providers on BP don't even screen... just the ones who know about it! Most also take last minute, low rate calls from their own homes. Smart indeedy.  

You can defend the site without being oblivious and clueless to the facts that others have known for YEARS. So what if there is a stigma... duh, there will always be one. You've been a hooker for less than a year, and all of a sudden you're an advocate who does nothing but spend her days reading shit regarding all things hookerland? People can comment about backpage and the industry all they want... it is a discussion board. You have a right to your opinion, but not without considering the facts you always leave out.  

 

 

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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it need not necessarily be shared in the context of personal attacks, I commented on your third paragraph and you used personal attacks which detract from the issue.  

You choose to avoid BP. Fair. You make that choice based on your understanding that BP is sting-friendly and populated by, in your perception, sub-par and under-priced providers. Fair but perhaps grossly generalized and maybe a tad disrespectful to those honest indy providers that avail themselves of the outlet.

Look, you have the option to select your outlet of choice. And you are correct, after the fall of CL, BP has been the seeming target of choice for LE. So, don't market there. But, at the same time, please don't belittle those who do. Sure, there is no shortage of unseemly types trolling BP, but it is not the sole site of unseemly-ness.

Bottom line: We are actually in agreement. Let providers choose. The market will take care of the rest.

I did not use personal attacks... I pointed out your obvious contradictions and being oblivious to the facts. Again, apples and oranges. I do not put down 'women who use backpage in general.' I put down the shitty site itself and the MAJORITY of women who advertise there, thus bringing down the market for the good providers on it. How is that so hard to understand? If I want to say there are more pimps and crackheads on backpage, that's not a put down... it's a damn FACT! I also mentioned USAG which is also a shit site most avoid, so BP is not the only one.  

Saying BP has lower priced providers (on average) is also not a judgment, but a FACT. LOOK at the ads, add up the rates and average them out compared to Eros ads for Manhattan, and tell me again I am wrong lol. Does any of that shit matter if a woman has to use it? Probably not, and I never said it should matter for anyone else other than those who give a shit about actually taking the business seriously with Marketing and Branding sense which equate to MONEY.  

My issue with you is that you come off as the damn spokesperson for this site acting like it is the best thing since sliced bread, when many women who use it will say it's not the best and they wish there were more reputaple providers like themselves on it. You just seemed to dismiss all of those things because you felt bad about using it every time someone put it (not YOU) down. Um, people also put down P411, Eros and TER and it never stopped me from using them. Of course, their put downs were rarely backed up by arrest records.  

I must apologize if I am extra bitchy, but I am ovulating lol.

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There is a way to get around ANYTHING.

You can upload a pic of the TER seal as one of your images, and in the body of your post write "Reviewed (123456)"

You can set up an autoreply now with a message that has more info, and BP allows you to put links there.  

Also, you can upload an image of your hooker business card with all your hooker info on it. I don't actually have business cards, but you can just make some on vista print and pull a Ctrl-Print Screen when it's finished, paste it into MS Paint and crop the image of the business card. Then, they can get your number, e-mail and website from the image.
 

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I saw a Backpage girl selling her services for $20. I'd post the link to her ad here, but I'm not sure TER will allow me to do it.