How often do you tell "john" how great he was at DATY and how many orgasms you had.  And "john" is not that naieve to know you were simply putting it out there hoping he would finally get off so you could go about your shopping, sun bathing, posting on TER these comments?

And seriously, how do you know that she gave such a great massage?  Were you hiding in the closet taking notes, or simply listening to another gals story?

No alias here

at a restaurant and the waitress comes by and asks how everything is, and you nod and smile and say "just fine".

It is an all too human trait that we hate to be confrontational.

I don't blame you for being upset by it; but I don't think this is going to change ever.

I've had bad massages and my solution is to never go back.  One time I actually ended it 15 minutes early because I just couldn't take any more of her ham-fisted technique, and I always enjoy deep tissue massage.

The big unknown in all reviews is a word the OP mentioned -expectations.  There's no standardized way to account for personal expectations and any review will ultimately come down to how the reality matched up with those expectations.  That's the way it is when you're dealing with the public.

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Why is it that a client will tell you how great both you and your massage are, but then turn around and post a review that says the complete opposite? If it was really so bad why didn't you speak on it at that time to the provider. Maybe she was just having one of those days (we all have them) or perhaps she misread your signals as to what you wanted. We are not mind readers and we are human just like you.
    Personally, I don't care one way or the other but I have a friend who is not so fortunate. She gave an awesome massage to a guy who was all smiles and claimed to have had an fantastic time. 5 days later she reads a bad review from the same guy and he had the nerve to say that it wasn't good or what he expected. I told her not to worry about what a few jerks might say, but she is new to the game and is mystified by his betrayal...poor girl.
    My point is, speak on it or shut up about it. If you don't have the balls to do that while in session then you get what you get. Some of you are real big and tough hiding behind your alias, but timid in person. If you are so unhappy then let her know and give her a chance to fix things the way you like them BEFORE you go telling everyone in cyberspace. If you choose not to do this (tell the provider) then don't decide to grow a pair just for TER. Holla!

I don't think it would be THAT unreasonable if they review were "luke warm".  granted, if the review was scathing, that would be something else all together.  its not like getting your car detailed where you can ask them to redo the wheels after they as done.  once your time is up, your time is up, right.  its not inconceivable that someone would say "thanks for the nice time" on the way out and then write a "meh" review.  obviously there is a lot of grey area here, and its all subjective.  I'm just saying (and admittedly I'm newbish as hell to the game) that not all reviews can align exactly with the goodbye.   but in concept, I don't disagree with you.

hell, I have mixed feelings about the review process in general

"Personally, I don't care one way or the other but I have a friend who is not so fortunate." Really?

I wish I had a c-note for every complaint or story that starts off with that line. With the tone and attitude of you post, I have to think your *friend* is in fact *you*.

Now, if you are to be giving your advise to her, which you say you were, why would you refer to her client as a "Jerk"? The freaking "nerve" of this guy to write a review that stated "it wasn't good or what he expected". Yeah, the nerve of this jerk to write a review of what he thought was his experience at the time of the encounter.

Alias? Ha, well you're gonna love this on girl. The reason I am using one here is probably the same reason that the jerk told her he had a good time. Do not want to hurt any feelings or create a scene. Oh yeah, some of the girls go off when told how to do their job that they already feel they are experts at. No wait, you said she was new to all this. Are you also?

You come off as a totally jaded hurtful hooker who has yet to take the bad with the good sometime. It's been said on here at least a million and 1 times. MOVE THE HELL ON. Get over it in other words and do better the next time. That would be the same for a guy who needs to choose better next time.

Hola Sen'ora
May the force be with you.

First, someone correctly pointed out this stuff is all subjective.  (Someone once said that everyone has opinions, and everyone has assholes and they both stink - or words to that effect!) I obviously cannot get into the head of a provider to understand everything going through their head, but I can take a swing at where some Hobbyists are coming from during the selection, lead up to the act, the act itself, and the after event.

Here are some thoughts in random order with no attempt to place any one item as more important than another:

How many hobbyists have seen an ad, called the provider, agreed to meet, then met something completely different from what was advertised?  Ladies, some element of what was said in the ad or on the phone as an enticement, coupled with a photo, and then some visualizing on the hobbyist's part, all contribute to the build up and therefore expectations in the hobbyist's mind. Significant departures from that will always cause disappointment, even if a guy subsequently nuts.

How many hobbyists have actually spoken to a booker, who portrayed themselves as the provider, and have agreed to fulfill certain desires or acts, only to find either the opposite on arrival, or an up-sell from the all ready agreed upon price before agreeing to a specific act?

How many hobbyists have agreed to a price then thought after the fact that the provider's service wasn't worth what he shelled out? Assuming just basic service, what accounts for the variation in price? The way a girl looks? What additional services she provides? How good she is at it?

How many Hobbyists have shelled out money, only to have it ripped off in one way or another? Grab and dash, or the provider decides mid act while you are in an inconvenient way, to run out?

Let's not forget, that even if none of this has happened, that someone simply may not enjoy your service for whatever reason. Certainly no one is perfect, nor automatically great at a particular act or sex simply because all of the equipment is there!

You mentioned that your friend is new to the business. Perhaps more experience will benefit her in many ways.

Back to why someone wouldn't confront the issue directly? I agree with another person that in general most people don't like conflict. Let's also admit that most people aren't skilled in giving constructive feedback. Most people hate getting negative feedback and don't know how to act having once received it.  

I do agree with you that you should give the provider the opportunity to make it better, but an actual good massage, (pick a technique) takes lots of practice. So was it the technique used that was lacking or was the hobbyist negative about other aspects of the provider?

It is hard to give more specific feedback than that!

In general, I don't like to be confrontational. But there's probably a noticeable difference between "Yup. Uh huh. It was good, I mean great. Thanks. Gotta go." and "That was GREAT! Can I stay? Will you come home with me, please?"

But I will mostly take note of your "mind reading" reference. I have a few friends who, I would almost swear, CAN and DO read my mind. The chemistry is just there. I don't know how they do it or how they "read" me. But I show my appreciation and go back to see them when our schedules permit. Wow. I'm just thinking about them now ....

It didn't sound like it to me from her post.  What it seemed like she was "reviewing" the gal (her friend) based on second hand (pun intended) information.  So I don't quite see how she is really asking for anything other than to agree with her logic.  

Your analysis is, for the most part correct in laying out the various issues that comprise a session to be reviewed.  But suffice it to say, many of the reviews are such total "works of fiction", but in this case a gal (and her supposed friend) are offended that a guy wrote what might have been a review that may have correctly summarized his experience (and since you, I and the OP weren't there) from his POV.  And why he would have commented at the time his true feelings...really?

Hopefully the OP will tell us who she really is so we can check out her reviews and try and discern the really embellished ones from the "real" ones.  And I can only surmise that she would feel the same when a guy will give her ridiculous appearance ratings (you know...those 8's 9's and 10's) as she knows that they are not true as well.  

But perhaps they are?

i in all honesty am not very confrantational and  could see how it could be better to just be polite rather than saying that was an ordinary ordesolate massage.

This is exactly what has been on my mind. We guys are at such a disadvantage, we have to rely on providers to post truthful pictures of themselves and truthful descriptions of the services they provide. Many of the pictures are so provocative that our common sense goes out the window! I do my research and read reviews. I realize reviewers are subjective. A lady I saw 3 times had reviews of 8,9 and 10; then a 5 or 6; then a few 9's; then another 5? What's up? Comes to find out this provider does not like facial hair! I have a beard but she tells me before a date this. I give her a donation in good faith that she will deliver as advertised. If she advertises GFE then she should act accordingly.
As far as your problem goes, there are jerks, it is a fact of life. I think you should ignore the review and perform even better massages for the next clients you see. Overall, clients will see over time that you really are terrific and they will see the jerk for the liar he may be.
I am older and I think that I am discriminated against by some young (18-25) providers. I love escorts and can't perform like I did when I was there age, but it's my dime. Shouldn't I deserve to be treated like I was younger? Do I have to go to older providers? believe me I do, there are two around Tampa and Jax that phenomenal 35+ and 40+, they know how to treat a man.

Most of us will not tell a provider she was awful or even average when we are done with a session. We don't know if Kunta Kinte will be waiting outside the door when we leave and opt to politely exit with all our parts still attached. We write honest reviews when we are safely removed from the situation and they depend on the quality of the experience. C'mon, ladies, you've been doing this long enough by now to know when you've delivered and when you haven't. You can tell by the reaction you get whether it was good for the client or not. Did he tip? Did he compliment you without you having to ask us?

Just the other day a provider asked me if I would call her again. I said, "sure" without making eye contact and she could tell I was only being polite. She accused me of lying and she was right. I didn't want to make a scene or hurt her feelings but I had no intention of ever calling her again. My review was polite but far from spectacular.

Maybe the public school system will give everybody an "A" just for showing up. TER doesn't work that way. You get your grade based on performance. If you can't figure out how a client enjoyed himself based on reactions during the actual session, you need to learn from someone who can. Nice clients will be polite when we are with you but that does not mean we had a good time and will write a good review. I tell providers I review at TER up front. It usually cuts through a long screening process and they are on notice before we meet. If they give a lousy session, I have no hesitation to warn off others. They've been duly advised.

it takes me over a day to decide i didn't really like a movie, let alone a live fantasy.  you expect me to review while i'm trying to get off on a fantasy?  it took me two weeks to ask on this board what to say to a girl who began to smell fishy halfway through the session.  i still don't know what i'd say.  "um, excuse me, i know i've been doggying you, but would you mind if i got the lysol.  seems how you don't seem to smell it yourself, and you can't see my pouty face, since I'm behind you and all...that's better, now a little to the right..."  No man, i was going "i hope i bust one, then i doubt i'm doing this again..."

when was the last time you told ANY woman she wasn't so hot at something?  okay, now try it with your pants around your ankles.  and when was the last time you got off, while telling a guy that he doesn't really float your boat?  

it's two completely different activities.  1.  p4p  2.  let people on TER know how it was.  I'm definitely not paying $500 an hour to coach my way through my own fantasy.  i'm out of there, with my balls intact!

Ehhh, you really think I would say that?....

Let's just say it wouldn't be the first time I told someone in a restaurant, or any other establishment or profession they sucked ass.

You'll see, maybe... lol!

If you are as batty in person as you are when you post, I can't blame the guy for saying something nice before he bolts. It was probably out of fear.

I doubt that she has gotten herself on any "to do" lists with her attitude, quite the contrary, I would guess she has gotten herself on quite a few "must miss" lists. I am well over a thousand miles away from her home town so it is unlikely that our paths with ever cross to begin with, but the chances of me booking with someone with her attitude are less than zero.

and reviews are for the benefit of other hobbyists, and are not just free ads for providers. Good reviews are supposed to be earned and apparently "your friend" cough cough, didn't earn the review that she so arrogantly thought she deserved.

I believe in giving honest reviews of my experience with the providers because a hobbyist just might make a decision based on what I say.

I have had a few providers lambast me by email or text after giving luke-warm reviews.  In fact, I've had providers go bonkers over a good review that had something in it that they didn't particularly like.

So, if I was honest in person, what can I expect the reaction to be?  I have no idea.  If the provider is a nutso then why would I set myself up for a big arguement or worse?

Ya know as a woman when you are , how shall we say ...........BITCHY , Yep thats the term . Probably every month or so you will have " those days " that even the family dog wants nothing to do with 'ya .
Its called mother nature and hormone's .
Sweetheart when you just got done bringing me to orgasm , mindblowing or just a run of the mill , TESTOSTERONE is flowin' baby ! . Little head doing the thinking  Again mother nature , hormones and along for the ride , nothing I can do about it .
Let me tell you what this means.................I am a man , I want more , I will say and do whatever it takes to get more , I want more and I want it tonight , tomorrow , yesterday .
Fortunatley for men this lasts about 2 hours to 5 days in your experience . After that the blood goes northward and back to making and doing rational things and rational thoughts .
Plug in a laptop, log onto TER, and then hand it to him as you finish the deal I guess............

Just a guy bein' a guy !

How do I know? What does that matter? I was using her as an example, dude. I bet you know all about hiding in closets tho.

Ankd you just souind like a plain old prick! I have voiced my own complaints in the past using myself as the example so why would I stop now?  I have nothing to be afraid of and I ALWAYS use my real work name on this board. Dumb Ass. You are invalid on this topic but I will respond anyway.
You made a good point about why he would lie, and its greatly appreciated. It was a point of view that I missed which was why the question was asked. The rest of your shit just sounds like blah, blah, blah to me. Holla!

And that is the part of your post that did matter.  But clearly you were just a frustrated provider looking for responses (and if you took the time to read them here..you have your answers).

You seem to have a "chip on your shoulder" attitude based on your posts on this board.  If things are not going so well for you...err your friend...maybe time to check out some other ways to make a living.

A bitter provider does not make for a fun session for the guys!  And perhaps that is why you...err your friend got the review you...err she...got.

Huh? Of course I was asking for constructive feedback, and it's obviously something you know nothing about.
Why the big deal about who she was? You are totally missing the point and rambling on about nothing (which can sometimes go both ways - ha). Just stay out of conversations when the "big people" are talking, okay? This dosen't concern you. Holla!

Thank you so much for your insightful and intelligent response...that's the kinda answer I was looking for. A tip of the hat to you, kind sir. Holla!

I knew I smelled a pussy on this thread! Bite me dude! Like I said, I am not talking about me, but you can believe what you want. Someone should've put YOU in a headlock the day you were born! Holla!

Huh?

you sound scary and possibly dangerous from what I can read

assuming this story is not "madeup" - and I do so assume

Wow Deva...reading over your illiterate posts ranting about nothing lends itself to someone who is in serious need of an "attitude check".

But you should really consider finding a "profession" that doesn't entail dealing with other human beings.  Clearly you are "challenged" on multiple levels, and I can only hope that, perhaps your "friends" can get through to you before you endanger anyone else...including yourself.

Fortunately there are folks here that can converse in a fashion that might be of benefit,, but you apparently haven't learned how to do that.  Why not head back to school and try and continue an education and at least put yourself on some type of "equal footing" so you too can intelligently create posts and responses that have some degree of articulation.

Bad reviews and unhappy clients and ladies are, in many instances, due to poor communication. I seldom pay a visit to a lady without research and discussion - the former extensive, the latter not excessive but adequate to explain what I want and what she is comfortable with. I do not review every lady I see, but have NEVER had occasion to be called out for a bad review, because I've NEVER had a bad experience! And as far as mind-reading - it happens much more often than you think! You just have to be open to it...

How do u know? Were u there?

I am still waiting for a provider to do all the things they say on the ad to me one day. What is your experience, my fellow hobbyists?

Thought I will ask since this thread is going down the shit hole!

If you get a negative review, it's usually well deserved. Very few gents will tell you to your face that it was not  good time. It's called being polite. Maybe your "friend" should just learn from the experience and move on. If you dwell on it, you won't learn the important lesson, which is they pay us for a fantasy and we need to bring our A game all the time.

When you ask a question like this on a very public general board, you are going to get answers. Some you won't like and some you may consider rude. But in this biz a thick skin is required! Without that, you will get your feeling hurt and lash out with attitude, which in turn will really hurt your business. Now some people may not be able to figure out your alias, but others can. We have the PO board and the gents have the RO board. Back channel is the fastest way to stop your phone from ringing.

I hope your "friend" learns from this and has a better time with her next client. xo Joey D.

I thought that was what alias were for. Is that wrong?

She's not hiding her provider identity here.

And it is the best score he ever gave out. If I was you I would believe the complements he gave you. Some reviewers are harder scores then others. I doubt I will ever find anyone in the hobby worthy of a ten as I take the standards very seriously. In fact I doubt I will ever even be able to give an honest 9 out in performance as I doubt I will ever forget it was a service as I never get that unbalanced. Some guys just think words used as a guide have meaning and grade accordingly.

Oh don't take me wrong, I get that a 9/9 is still a fab score and I do believe he was genuine in what he expressed.  I also understand that some gents will never give a 10 in either department because of what their personal standards are for that.  I only remarked on it as it is, indeed, my lowest rating.

Just the way that I am, I want *every* date to be a 10/10 - not because I want tons of reviews and only 10/10's are "good enough" for me (frankly, I'd be fine if I don't get more than one review every 6 months and always stress to anyone who offers to write one that it be honest), but because I truly get off on fulfilling fantasies and being that "one in million" memory for my friends.  It's like creating art... you paint because you love painting and when someone falls in love with your painting as much as you, it's a type of sentiment the two of you share that is unique to unto itself. It's an act/appreciation of creation that only the two of you can fully understand and something that that unique tends to have remarkable power.  That's what I get out of knowing the experience was a 10/10.... it's a type of personal fulfillment.  ** And before anyone wants to psychoanalyze me, I have many other avenues of achieving personal fulfillment and don't "need" this one.  I am far more multidimensional than just getting of on getting others off. lol**

I was merely pointing out that sometimes the level of a guy's verbalizations can seem incongruent with his level of enjoyment.  There have been quite a few dates I've walked away from wondering "Gee, did he like me?  He seemed kinda happy but I'm just not sure."  Some of those have resulted in 10/10's, others in repeat dates, and others in nothing at all.  And then there was the 9/9 'massive praise' guy.  

Sometimes it is obvious when someone digs you, other times it's not.  Sometimes it has a great result (repeat date, great review, etc), sometimes there is no result at all (or one that seems odd).  That's all!

...to something that happened to me, however, I didn't feel I gave a bad review, and the scores, though not all 10's, were very high. I think the review I gave would have made many providers happy, but she is used to 10's.

The provider in question contacted me after the review was posted about why the low scores, so I responded with my reasons. I didn't make any note of the reasons in the review, because I didn't want anything to reflect badly on her, especially since it was our first session.

I never heard back from her, and even sent a follow up to see if everything was alright but I never heard back. Don't know if she is just busy or wants nothing to do with me anymore, so I'm just gonna wish her the best and not bother her. Hopefully there were no bad feelings, and she'll get back at me.

I didn't expect that kind of response, but I have to give what I feel are honest scores. As stated in one of these responses, the reviews are to benefit hobbyist, not providers. Providers communicate with each other about hobbyists, and we have no way of knowing what is being said or how we are viewed/portrayed by others.

If the provider I saw has as strong of feelings about this as you do, I suppose I'm getting a bad rep with every lady she talks to. At least providers can see their own reviews and adjust accordingly, if they so inclined.

This is an immensely annoying issue, and honestly, I don't understand why hobbyists do this. You're paying for the time, and if I were paying for the time, I would want to enjoy it honestly, getting the things I wanted out of it, instead of passive-aggressively pretending I was getting what I wanted and then posting my wailings on TER, possibly taking a chip out of someone's career and in the process getting myself--what--NOTHING, except some bitching-and-moaning time. Most of us will be sure-fire glad to please you until the cows come home, whatever that may include within reason. Expecting us to be clairvoyants is childish.

This is not a good way to play the game.

Just be real.

Darya