As per his MO. He takes extreme opinions and demands the readers here accept them as fact.
I liked the girl (kgirl)
Why do so many providers, that are not inexpensive, ask not to be reviewed? Or state they have a “no review policy”.
I have seen several since Covid and they are who they are and they perform as they say.
They don't like reviews and don't see them as a benefit. It can be hard enough hooking up with someone you aren't really attracted to. Its even less fun if the guy starts talking shit after the fact. Its not fun having some fat, bald ugly dude write a bunch of paragraphs critiquing your looks and sexual performance. It isn't exactly a good idea to have a written record of your illegal activity either. Some review sites/boards refuse to take down old reviews as well. Finally, reviewers and review boards have a bad reputation as being some of the worst and most demanding clients. Many posters on this board are probably unpleasant to be around.
"Some review sites/boards refuse to take down old reviews as well."
Good. These type of boards/forums exist for users to get info about a seller, not to ensure they are having "fun".
If someone made a buy and had a review of an escort, I like that report to be available to as many people who want it, as possible. This is what's best for consumers like me, and goes in line why these sites exist in the first place. Some do like to act like reviews are some kind of add-on here. Lol. They are the entire feature.
"Many posters on this board are probably unpleasant to be around."
Ah yes. No other hobby I have been part of has the amount of consumers thinking many other fellow consumers are losers and unpleasant to be around and justify sellers bullshit. They are trying to protect the sellers, even save them. Pussy is a powerful drug.
Only in this hobby do consumers who write many reviews and participate in online communities and also spend money are considered "too demanding".
Imagine a specialty restaurant being unhappy people ate in
so many other restaurants and arent grading all restaurants with highest scores... so the restaurant doesn't want such clients eating there? Cannot imagine this ? Me either.
Can you imagine an electronics product maker wanting a YouTube reviewer to not review their product? The only way is if they know their product isn't that good so it won't get a good review.
The whole "they don't want to" angle is so weird. Once I bought and paid for something, I have the right to talk about it and review it anywhere I want. It's not up to the seller anymore, ever. That ship has sailed the moment the seller decided to sell something that is reviewable for money.
And the more the seller wants to silence evaluations of themselves that are honest, the more pushback they should get imo.
There are plenty of businesses that require employees, customers or vendors to sign non-disclosure agreements. When a provider says they have a no-review policy, it is just a form of NDA they have. This is something that has precedence in the real world. You don't have to like it, but also you don't have to book these providers. End of story, peace out.
That wouldn't hold up for a restaurant wanting no reviews and it wouldn't hold up in this world. It's already been discussed that NDAs aren't valid for illegal activities, even if a "no review policy" was an NDA.
In fact, NO contract is valid if it involves activities that are against the law. Can you imagine somebody suing in court because the cartel shorted their fentanyl delivery? Lol Because providers and agencies in general make it relatively easy to participate in this biz, many mongers forget that it is also illegal. Those that have been in, or near to, an LE bust are much more realistic about the consequences should they become careless or lax in their vigilance.
Its called a metaphor SHEESH you are annoying. NDAs aren't valid for illegal activities, sure. I'm sure a no-review policy wouldn't fly in court. However if you break it I'm sure you'll love dealing with the consequences. At least you won't get sued lmao. I mean yea, this is an illegal activity so we can't compare it to regular world situations. However, you and rocket are the ones comparing restaurant reviews to escort reviews. Either way, it is useless because on this site, no review policies are respected and do have weight. TER will remove profiles upon request. Also a moot point, because I doubt most guys on this board have the balls to break a no review policy.
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Also helpful hint, it might help to stop thinking about this like purchasing an electronics product or a fast food burger. You are paying for a service, not a product. Its a subtle difference that can shift your thinking.
"You are paying for a service, not a product."
So many people get touchy feely with product/service terminology.
OK, let's look at service industry.
I don't recall having to sign an NDA with a doctor.
I don't recall having to sign an NDA with a physical therapist
I don't recall having to sign an NDA with a valet.
I don't recall having to sign an NDA with a fitness instructor
I don't recall having to sign an NDA with a financial advisor
I don't recall having to sign an NDA with a lawyer
And certainly no one in servcie industry ever told me they are hired on a condition I won't be able to leave a review for them online.
Would you go to a doctor who says you can't ever review his work online? Rhetorical question.
I wouldn't be able to comment on any NDAs I have or haven't signed. That being said.... There was a weed dealer in college who would cut people off if they told other people where they got their weed from. He had the best weed on campus too. He was pretty paranoid and only wanted to sell to a few people to keep a low profile. So, I probably wouldn't sign an NDA with a Doctor in most circumstances. That being said in college, and in a few other times in life, I've been asked to keep my mouth shut.
Did he advertise his, ahem, dealer services online? I will assume not.
If a provider is delisted from reviews yet still advertises her (or him)self online, what does it tell you?
It tells me she doesn't want reviews lol. Are we going to keep going in circles here? We get it, you think its morally wrong for providers to have a no review policy. As discussed, this is one of the few review boards that respects and honors no review policies and allows providers to de-list. There is nothing stopping you from writing a review on some other site anyway. Keep in mind the provider is the one "enforcing" a policy in anyway they think is appropriate.
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I think most guys on this board agree with you to some extent. It is crazy to demand deposits and PI while discouraging reviews. I've noticed providers with active TER providers advertising a no review policy. I just disagree with the whole morale charade you put on. I think some providers have ridiculous policies but I also recognize they're allowed to set their own terms. If you don't like what a provider is offering then don't book them. Most guys are on this site for that reason.
Because isnt it convenient as fuck to have your cake and eat it too. Use the internet to advertise yourself and then guard yourself against negative reviews/criticism. Get the best of both worlds!
I've also sen on this very site an agency provider get her long history with around a hundred reviews completely wiped and profile delisted. Then she came back under the same name, same agency same pictures and had a clean slate under a new profile.
I liked the girl (kgirl) but it's a clear loophole that's just so tasty to exploit. If ter delisted her, why was she allowed to have a second profile and all old reviews were lost?
The client is always the one who gets fucked from all this.
Not only do we get bamboozled, we also lose old reviews that could help others. Sometimes we lose our reviews due to delistment. And then the same girl comes back and even though you had a review for her... You don't. How is this fair?
And it's also unfair to providers who don't exploit the loophole. Some providers also might want to start over with a clean slate and maybe have better average score reviews but they won't do this delist thing.
The ability to delist like that is just detrimental to anyone who's not actively exploiting it.
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As per his MO. He takes extreme opinions and demands the readers here accept them as fact.
I liked the girl (kgirl)
And then assigns a negative connotation to ALL delsitmentd when only SOME are done to hide negative reviews. Some delist after a rebrand due to stalkers. Some want to avoid the situation where mongers assume an act or service is available because one reviewer said he got that service (anal, GFE, BBFS, etc). Some just get the ick factor of being objectified over an intimate and personal act.
Bottom line, if you absolutely need to write a review here at TER after you fuck a provider, don’t see delisted providers.
Thank you for the added context. I was having a hard time making sense of Rocket's post, but from what you say it seems like the situation was resolved pretty effectively by the TER mods.
Bottom line, if you absolutely need to write a review here at TER after you fuck a provider, don’t see delisted providers.
Cks referenced some other instance I have no recollection of. Because cks is so smart he assumes he reads my thoughts.
This wasn't resolved. Reviews simply disappeared along with the original profile. Then when the girl came back someone else made her a new profile. This shouldn't ever happen if the girl is delisted. Read my post and link to the profiles.
" Bottom line, if you absolutely need to write a review here at TER after you fuck a provider, don’t see delisted providers.
This right here hits the nail on the head. Nobody is forcing anyone to see a provider, with or without reviews. Nobody also has a right to see a particular provider, with or without reviews. Just stick to seeing the providers that meet your standards.
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That's not the bottom line. This website - just like others - is about writing honest and real reviews, not about manipulation of reviews to drum up a sellers biz. Last I checked it isn't an advertising forum or site.
If I see a loophole that unfairly benefits one side, I'm going to call it out. And I suggest everyone else does the same.
If even a small % of seller use this loophole to manipulate people's perception of the biz, this loophole should be examined and closed up.
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Once again cks shows he doesn't have a clue about anything he's talking about
"He takes extreme opinions and demands the readers here accept them as fact."
Wanting reviews of products and services to remain forever on the internet isn't an extreme opinion.
Wanting criticism not removed but remained on display forever isn't extreme. Wanting no Suppression of opinions of product or service you have bought with your money isnt extreme.
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KGirl Forum, the provider’s profile was delisted by TER because THE AGENCY WAS POSTING HER TER REVIEWS in the gallery section of her profile. Was "
Cks has no understanding of which provider I'm even talking about. But just assumes something like he usually does.
This agency (lks in sj) never posted her ter reviews on her ad profile. I'm talking about Yuna, a girl who was in my own top 3 back in the day. She had a profile over 100 reviews :
TER Id 381128
She came back with exact same name, exact same Pic, exact same ad, exact same org. And this org has never posted any reviews of her or other girls on their website, never from its inception.
And now we have a different profile for her:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/yuna-4087859100-401959
Not wanting to allow people to abuse and exploit loopholes is somehow extreme now. Lol. Can't make this shit up.
Wanting reviews of products and services to remain forever on the internet isn't an extreme opinion.
You damn well understand what I mean. Internet is already very robust in keeping information intact with archiving and so on.
It's not extreme to want to improve how a website works and offer critique. This critique is offered all the time on here. Providers complain that review of reviews takes too long and wish it took less time. I don't hear anyone saying their view is extreme and I haven't heard anyone hit them with the "it's capitalism stfu" trope you're hitting me with.
Once again, rules are different depending on whom it applies to huh. Mired in double standards, ye are.
It's not extreme at all to want feedback you posted to stay there.
Once again, I gave you an example of a profile that was delisted along with 100 reviews, and then put up again as fresh profile for no damn good reason. How is this fair to consumers? How is it fair to fellow providers who don't delist and can't remove reviews via this loophole?
You really went from "it's morally wrong but" to "it's extreme to want improvements". Make up your mind.
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Of course I heard of an NDA. A NDA is a written, legal agreement using your actual real world info. What's the last time you signed some thing by an escort? What's the last time you signed a nda to eat at a restaurant?
An NDA that suppresses reviews of a product that is openly being sold on the market would be a very first one I heard of. Could you please point me to an NDA that would prohibit reviews of the same product available to everyone else? Not a beta, alpha, etc?
"you don't have to like it" - yes sellers dont have to like it that they're seeing some unattractive men. But that's what they signed up for.
"Once I bought and paid for something, I have the right to talk about it and review it anywhere I want. It's not up to the seller anymore, ever." You do realize that isn't even true on THIS site, right?
It is true,and I believe it is true on this site.
If a provider delists I can talk about her on the forum and can talk about my impressions of her. Maybe not a full blown review, who knows about the rules, but certainly it's possible.
I'm pretty sure there are delisted providers who weren't good actors and they got talked about on here after.
Suppression of voices and reviews isn't a good thing. Was the money exchanged? Yes? Then a client will find a platform online to talk about their impressions and evaluation. And certainly there will be people who will want to read those evaluations.
And that's a good thing for consumers.
Actually, if a provider is delisted and you name her on the forum, the post will be taken down. Only way it stays is if no one figures it out or brings it up. Likely, the provider finds out though and has it taken down.
That doesn’t make it true. It was YOU that said you could review a provider anywhere you want and that the girl had no say. Here on TER, a girl has TOTAL say if she will allow reviews or not.
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The rules re: this are well established and it is a bit shocking you dont know them. Just take the “L” here and move on but my guess is you will respond with a double helping of word salad.
I'll gladly take an L if I'm wrong. Everyone takes Ls.
However I remember instances of a provider who was delisted and who was talked about in a thread, several times. And then threads were not delеted.
I believe one was a scammer or something like that.
The numerous reasons providers have for a "no review policy" have been discussed here for years. You might try doing a search.
Maybe they don’t want to have to constantly work to verify the reviews are legit. If they’re reasonable I bet they see lots of traffic. No need for reviews if your affordable & convenient because your going to get business regardless. Many providers delist theirselves.
I have friends who spent time writing me reviews that never get posted. TER for some odd reasons posts fake reviews no problem for free VIP days, but guys who actually shared time with me need more details. I find it to be absolutely mind boggling. I totally understand why women have a no review policy.
Usually the ones who want them are trying to get established. I had one tell me she didn’t care what was said in the review. She just wanted 10s to keep her position high.
I agree with Robert, they don't need them or want them.
I have one Provider friend who was in the Top 10 of TER Providers in the nation who delisted herself. It got out into her private life which affected her civvie job. She still Provides and is doing quite well for herself as she has a great reputation.
Yet another Provider friend who also had many great reviews and quite successful but delisted herself because her Sugar Daddy wanted her exclusive. The monthly nut was too big to jeopardize so she removed herself from TER. But that didn't stop her from still seeing PPM clients.
I'm sure there are many reasons why Providers delist themselves.
Do they report you to the "no-review" police or sue you in civil court for breach of an oral contract, or in some instances, breach of an oral oral contract?
No, TER won't post it if the Provider has delisted herself. Which is what has happened to me when I submitted a few reviews without knowing the Provider had been delisted.
Other sites have different policies and will sometimes refuse to delete posts or reviews. Also, I have noticed providers that have no review policies but keep a TER profile up. CDL was probably joking. He does have a point though, if you post a review the provider probably has limited recourse. However there are a few negative consequences I can think of. The provider will personally black list you and might put you on blast through certain back channels and BLs. The provider could decide to retaliate and go nuclear. They could burn you on social media and post information about you. The provider could start looking you up and contacting friends/family. It all depends on the situation and people involved but breaking a no review policy is likely to kick up a hornets nest. It probably isn't worth breaking a no-review policy unless something egregious occurred.
I have often made about limiting the amount of personal information you give to a provider to ZERO. I agree with your assessment of everything bad that could happen if you piss a provider off. I don't use my TER username, nor any aliases I have reviews under to get an appointment. The only information a provider or an agency gets from me when booking an appointment is my first name and the same burner phone number I have used for hobbying since the beginning.
The first provider I saw, I gave her my direct work phone number. She called me, and I answered, she said to email the date and time I wanted, and I was off to the races. I have since used my name, phone number and provider references to continue to hobby. The first girl who got my real work phone number is long-ago retired, and as long as I continue the chain of references, I do not expect to have any trouble in the future. Giving a provider the information she needs to do ANY of the retaliatory things you describe is not a risk I'm willing to take. Have I NOT been able to see some providers that I would have liked to see due to my restrictive policy on personal info? Absolutely!!! Do I regret not taking more risks? Not in the least. There are plenty of fun providers out there. No need to add any unnecessary risks to this hobby.
Mr_Clean_Jones provided a great insight when he said "The bottom line is independent sex workers can be cold and heartless sometimes, even though many providers romanticize their work as some sort of healers." I don't understand why this isn't immediately obvious to more guys. I understand we share tender, intimate moments with these providers but we have to understand it isn't real life. I know there are a few naive white-knights who insist for them things are different, but we should all remember these providers are only spending time with us for our money. They are not our friends, lovers or healers regardless of what their ads say. I know lots of providers will chime in and say "You don't have to wowwy about me, the meek and feeble independent pwovider I swear I won't hurt you pwease twust me with your ID." I'm sure 95%-99% of times its true, girls just want to get their money and move on. However, all it takes is one person to fuck shit up. I used to be naive and buy into the marketing bullshit. I realize now I have to be more careful and protect myself. I only see providers that have skin in the game. Anyone can throw an add up on tryst for free, the only providers worth my time and money will have reviews on TER.
one of the few thinks all of the mongers here might agree on. I have often said the same thing . . . . Everybody who has never had an issue or been strongarmed by a provider because she had his ID will argue to the last breath that giving it to them is no big deal. Then the first time they get burned, they start a thread here asking those that KNOW better than to give up their ID's what they should do about the provider harassing or doxing them. As the saying goes, "Too little (concern), too late."
I have made here on several occasions that the risk increases substantially when we see providers that do not have a profile on TER. In my observations over the 17 years I have been here, delisting is most often a provider running away from poor reviews, and I'm not one to accept risks that are the result of concealment of a provider's history. There are more providers than I will ever be able to see in my remaining lifetime, so there are NO individual providers that I feel I absolutely HAVE to see, and lack of a TER presence is one of those risks I don't need to take.
This is all so interesting--but my hot take? Trying to get "10s" for everything is tantamount to false advertising. There is tremendous idiosyncratic variation in how people score an inherently qualitative experience quantitatively, notwithstanding TER's delineating heuristic for 7+ scores.
Personally, the written content is what matters to me most. Maybe it's just because I like hot, personalized smut. But I also think that the story -- the narrative -- the content -- the experience -- far outweighs the numerical significance of the encounter.
Let the 9.8s/10 seek their desired 10/10.
(🎵 Everybody wants to rule the world. 🎵)
I'm sure it's been said before, but I think many, not all, do not want to be held accountable for providing bad service.
Providers that are popular and provide great service don't even read their reviews. They have too many clients to care!
It would be nice if there was an in between option. I understand why some providers don’t want detailed TER reviews. Unfortunately, that leaves their legitimacy a mystery, unless you have or figure out some other way to confirm them.
In between, would be something simple, a way for reviewers to maybe check a box or two but not be allowed to go into details. On rare occasions, I have seen providers without reviews. I used other methods that were not easy, and I was very nervous. My biggest concern is she will scam me.
It’s interesting though, these same providers who delist often want you to jump through hoops to verify you as a client are legit. They sometimes think they’re the only ones taking a risk. But it’s a two way street. And yes, I know, easy enough for me to just pick someone else. And I do. But some of them look so hot and I just want to know lol.
A review, if honest, is basically a checklist of services provided spiced up with narrative to set the scene. Providers may decide, for one reason or another, not to provide a particular service to a particular client. Everything is YMMV. If a client doesn’t get a service that other’s did, he potentially will write an embellished poor review. Why would a provider want it “out there” that she did “X” with a client when other clients will look at it as guarantee of the same service…when it is not?
Most women just find them vulgar, and as a few have told me, don't want clients coming in expecting certain things i.e., a bbbj when they have questionable hygiene/health because said client read about it in a review.
I've actually cut down on writing reviews as of late and only review about 1/3 of the ladies I see. Some just aren't worth the time and effort to be honest but then there are other times when I have written one and it came back to bite me in the foot so to speak; this seems to be a common occurrence with indy's... but I cannot tell you how many times I've been asked by a lady to write her a review, only for her to then turn around and jack up her rates in response to now getting more business.
....Penthouse Forum was a widely popular part of the magazine and enjoyed by both sexes. They were just stories and never about a person or people who were easily identified. Some guys write to satisfy their own ego or like they are trying to get published and some guys write glowing details to let others know how great the experience was. I think there's more than a few dudes in here that write reviews on women they've never met just to pretend to be in the game. It's likely that there some writing reviews that have never even been with a woman.
From my perspective, seeing that bbbj is on the menu will generally suffice but knowing she has zero gag reflex is pretty nice too but that's more in line with what skills a particular woman has. That's the baseline for me. Beyond that, I'm more concerned with hygiene that how she quivers or moans when in doggie. But at the end of the day, no menu combined with no reviews is a non-starter all the way. I'm not adverse to spending money on a potential bad date but wasting precious time on someone that doesn't do what is important to me is a risk I'm unwilling to take.
I know one girl who does this part time and doesn't want the attention. She has a job that she doesn't want finding out she escorts on the side.
Would a girl friend like it if you gave her a review and offered all the intimate details to your friends?
Would a girl friend like it if you gave her a review and offered all the intimate details to your friends?
...then she might like the sales support.
I recently saw a provider who is a an absolute STRICT NO REVIEW provider. She states in her numerous listings on various escort websites that she is "Very Open minded" but refuses to list "services" she will or won't perform because she says, she does not decide before a date what will or won't happen. I found out the hard way that she decides this solely based on whether she is physically attracted to the client. It was tough because she told me on our last date she would not do "X, Y & Z", but I also KNEW for a fact that she does do "X, Y and Z", so it was basically she did not find me attractive enough to do these things. So, if she had also allowed reviews, guess what my reviews would have said and included? Do you see how this works? Reviews can work for both the client and the provider, but they usually benefit the client somewhat more. The bottom line is independent sex workers can be cold and heartless sometimes, even though many providers romanticize their work as some sort of healers. I can't and won't identify this provider publicly but I will in private one on one discussions with other people.
This is why I typically do not see providers who aren't reviewed. If they are not GFE I'm not interested. I'm not interested in wasting my money trying to find out if they are or not. I'd like to know what I'm going into.
Yeah, I learned this the hard way.
There may be other, esoteric reasons for not wanting a review. In my experience, "no review policies" serve to conceal horrible escort performance, allowing other suckers to make the same mistake.
Never again!
ATTB
As a long time provider I will say that me doing X, Y, and Z in a session has 100% to do with your hygiene and zero to do with me being attracted to you. I have also had guys say that I ask for a selfie to determine if the guy is "hot enough" to see. Also false. You are welcome to read all of my reviews, but if you think you are going to come in with plaque buildup from not going to the dentist since pre covid and also having obvious dental decay, pubic hair so long I have to part it to find your wanker, and a smelly ass and balls from not actually scrubbing your crouch area with a bar of soap properly since you were in diapers and your mother did it, you are going to be very, very disappointed that X, Y or Z are not going to happen and you will be getting a very overpriced hand job only. And you have just described exactly why a lot of providers no longer allow reviews. Entitled men come in thinking that "she did that with Bob, she will do that with me also!!" Not so. You should go into every session with the idea that it will always be YMMV, and much of that is dependent on you as the client. You are paying for a service, that is the bottom line, no more, no less. Your personality, cleanliness, and attitude will give you the best session possible with the majority of providers.
Your reasons make sense. If the guys is smell, not groomed well, or unpleasant in other ways, I get it. As a guy who is none of those things, I will also say the OP isn’t wrong though. I have been on both ends too.
I wash thoroughly, always before the session, sometimes twice. I’m clean af lol. I also always shave my pubes that morning. And I’m very nice and respectful. I have had providers do things with me that they don’t do with all of their clients. And, I have had them not do things they have done with other clients.
I’m an okay looking guy. But I’m in my 50s. I’m not as physically fit as I was in my 20s and 30s. I have a little pouch belly now. For a twenty something year old escort, I may not be physically attractive. And I get it. If I was still a stud in my 20s or 30s, I wouldn’t need to pay to play. It wasn’t until my decline in my 40s that I did.
So, when I pay, I don’t want an escort not doing certain things because I’m no longer a young stud. Simply as that.
OK, so I think maybe your first problem would be that you are under the assumption because you are paying that an escort is obligated to do certain things. That is NEVER the case. A sex worker can refuse service at any time for any reason. Simple as that. From the wording of your post you feel disgruntled because you are no longer a "young stud" and have to pay, whereas you feel that when you were 20 or 30 years younger you would never had to pay and you think this is unfair. You think you are entitled to certain things sexually, emotionally, or physically because you are paying. You very well may be very clean and an okay looking guy, but it seems you need to reevaluate how you view this industry and sex workers in general. You are with a human being, regardless if you are paying for their time or not. It is your personality and perception of sex workers that is off that is causing this riff, not this idea in your mind that you are no longer a "young stud" and that must be causing all of your sexual and relationship problems.
There are definitely providers that pick and choose clients based on their looks. I also believe it is 100% their choice. People engaged in commerce are allowed to turn down any business opportunity for whatever reason. Some providers are pretty vocal about being YMMV and some even say it is the reason why they went with a no review policy. I can't even blame them either. Would you really want to do butt stuff with an uncaring guy who is a little too rough? It becomes a matter of safety at some point. Like the earlier poster, I've been on both sides of the YMMV divide. It sucks when it happens but guys have to be better at taking the L and dealing with rejection. I think it helps to temper expectations when engaging in this sort of stuff.
You really took what I said, ran a mile in the wrong direction, and made a LOT of assumptions. The fact you used "seem" quite a bit is the first tell. Things are not always what they seem, and you're best not to assume them because you think they seem such and such way. Asking is fine, because that can help clear the air. But you didn't ask, you ran a marathon of assumptions.
First, you assumed I feel an escort is obligated to do certain things. Absolutely not true. She isn't obligated to do anything. She's not even obligated to be an escort. But let's not pretend here. Most guys aren't paying escorts just to hang out and most escorts know this is true. And, I see nothing wrong with wanting certain things and being disappointed if you do not get these things. It's not like I harass her if she doesn't deliver. Heck, she can up and walk out on me. She has no obligation. But I am disappointed. And, if given the opportunity, it will reflect in my review.
Second, you assume I am disgruntled because I am no longer a young stud? While I, like many, may miss my younger years, I am far from disgruntled. Quite the opposite. For a 50+ year old, I look good and am in great health. Getting older is a part of life. I accept it.
Third, you assume I feel it's unfair that I have to pay now when I didn't in my 20s and 30s. To be clear, if I wanted to find ladies my age, I wouldn't have to pay. I may have to form a relationship, but that wouldn't be an issue. When I was in my 20s and 30s it wasn't all just hook-ups. I had relationships. And, I do not find it unfair that I have to pay to hook-up with a beauty in her 20s or 30s. They're out of my league. And this is okay.
Forth, you double down and say I feel I am entitled to certain things because I am paying. Being entitled is a very negative and off putting way to point this out. But again, come on. I'm paying to play, so of course there is some level of expectation. If I buy a movie ticket, I expect to see a movie. I even do my homework before seeing a movie and come with some expectations. If my expecations aren't met, I share this. If they are met, I share this as well. We both know the "you're just paying for my time" tag line is far from what the average client is paying for. I say this in no disrespectful way, and I completely get and agree it's a providers right not to provide more. But if that provider is providing less based on physical attraction, then maybe she's not in the right business.
Lastly, you assume I have sexual and relationship problems. I don't. I'm a nice guy. I'm very aware that sex workers are human, and I show empathy towards every last one. I always respect them and treat them well. No matter how much they disappoint me, I always go with the flow and never get confrontational with them. But again, that does not mean I may not feel disappointed afterwards.
Are you saying I have no right to be disappointed? Because if you are, it sounds like you're not recognizing that I, and other clinets, are humans too. We have feelings too. We have a range of emotions, ones that can both be happy/satisfied and sad/disappointed. Feelings are natural. No one should be denied of their feelings.
I have to say, I am a bit disappointed with your response littered with assumptions. My original response to you was in agreement with some of your points, and an attempt to add another perspective. In return, you assumed quite a bit about me. You're usually one of the people I like the most on here because you're reasonable and compassionate. But I don't feel that way right now.
Feel better now?
I would have prefered that after I started by saying "Your reasons make sense," that the outcome wasn't you attacking my character and then me having to defend myself. Nothing about that type of exchange feels good.
You feel that way because you know a lot of what I said was correct. The truth always hurts. Anyone that spends that much "defending" themself is just lying to themselves. The majority of what I posted was just reflecting back what you had said. I have not yet completed by PhD but I thoroughly thank all of the textbook mental disorders I can write about that are spilling from this website. Thanks guys!!
No, but more assumptions from you is not surprising. I feel that way because I don't look to have petty arguments. I agreed with your points. I offerred counter points as well. And, some how I struck a cord with you and you felt the need to insult me with a bunch of false assumptions.
Did it bother you that I said I'm clean and well groomed? Or that I'm an okay looking guy? Or, I was much better looking when I was younger? Or that I sharred I don't want a provider who wouldn't do certain things based soley on my looks? Am I to only see myself as ugly to gain your approval? Am I not to have wants or desires? What exactly is it that bothers you so much? Can you point to anything without making wild assumptions and speculation?
If you think I am hurt, you are incorrect. Perhaps, if it were truth that you were spweing it would. But you are giving yourself too much credit. You don't know me and you do not know my truth. And really, anyone who defends themselves is lying? Do you even hear how stupid that sounds?
Of course you don't have a PhD. Otherwise, perhaps you would know the first thing about how to make a good point. You allow the facts to lead you. You do not make them up based on your feelings or assumptions. Here I was thinking maybe you would come around and recognize that your response to me was a bit harsh. But nope. You don't have the capacity to recognize when you are wrong. You remind me of all the Trump supporters who will double triple and quadrupple down because they don't have the ability to recognize and admit when they are wrong.
I'm sorry you are you. It must be a sad thing to be you and to feel the need to try to tear someone down who did nothing to you, who had no issues with you, who didn't want to say any of these things to you, but because you are you, and you just couldn't help yourself from being a jerk, it has come to this point.
Just had to ask how a Trump reference possibly made it into that post?
Maybe I am missing something but I don’t understand how comments on political affiliation and perceived behaviors are relevant to the conversation at hand?
You’re not wrong. I may be a little politically obsessed these days. It’s a personal situation that I felt was comparative. Obviously, for someone not frustrated with the current political landscape, it won’t mean the same thing.
Who knows? Once you see someone go in that direction it’s just better to disengage with them. They obviously have stability issues.
Just had to ask how a Trump reference possibly made it into that post?
Maybe I am missing something but I don’t understand how comments on political affiliation and perceived behaviors are relevant to the conversation at hand?
Stability issues? Lol. It’s like stupid likes to
Join in on stupid.
You seem to unraveling a bit here. So sorry I hurt you feelings and best of luck to you in life bud.
Once again giving yourself too much credit. My feelings are intact. I just can’t help but to call your stupidity out.
Yes, of course your feelings are intact. That is why you posted 13 paragraphs, to show us how intact your feelings are!
It's like the attraction to stupiduty keeps adding more of you. This is a forum on a fuck board for crying out loud. Do you come here to have your feelings validated or invalidated? Gosh, I hope not, because that would be sad.
But I will assume you and most others come here because you're bored. At least that's my reason. And, while I am here, if someone slings mud at me, I will sling back. Not because my feelings were hurt by an escort or client. Because I don't take shit from anyone.
I actually counted 21, but he does number all of his points and also has an into paragraph and summary for each post. Quite time consuming and impressive measures to ensure we all know this has nothing to do with his bruised ego! Bravo!
Wait a minute. I figured it out. I know what struck a cord with you and caused you to be an ass to me. You were mad that I said I'm good looking and seek younger providers who are even better looking. Two things that you are not. Once you realized I would never be your customer, you dumped all of your bottled up depression on me. That must be hard, holding all of that in and waiting for someone like me to take it out on. I suggest you take your personal issues to your therapist. If you don't have one, get one. They are a much better source for depression issues.
Me?? Trolling??? What?!? LOL
I will need to work on being less obvious next time.... 
xoxo
OMG. You got me!! You are correct. Even with you posting from an alias I could just tell you are a magically dreamy man that is way out of my league. I am so honored that you even took the time to respond to my posts. I was so much hoping that there would be a sliver of a chance that you would see me. Ug, damn it!! Thank you so much for taking the time to point out all of my very obvious issues that I need to get addressed. You have guided me in the right direction. Thank you again friend!!
LOL, another Trumper here but you've got plenty of crazy on your side of the isle! That's not why I jumped in though. I've had my bouts with some pretty crazy providers as well. This one your tangling with won't let go because she must get the last word in...always.
I read your original post and knew perfectly what you were saying. We're in very similar point in life. The life skill she will not allow herself to have is the ability to read something, get all fucking panty twisted and then take a few breaths and consider those words coming from a different perspective and realize she's not the victim afterall, and you're just a guy saying normal guy stuff without any intent to harm anyone.
No, it's not unrealistic to expect a pro who may advertise (with reviews that support) service levels from one end of the spectrum to the other to be consistent in offering those services to customers who should fit the parameters of what normal client should be. Hygiene would play a huge role, perhaps a comfortable range of physical fitness and a grasp of how to operate as a gentleman being in close 2nd and 3rd.
Her superpower is to read one thing, digest and regurgitate into into a passive/agressive rant that turns to evil bad man thing everytime. I think it's her inner Bella Abzug that appears and takes control to be honest. Good luck, brother!
You're right, there is crazy on both sides. I really shouldn't have made a political reference. That was a can of worms I didn't want to open.
That said, I appreciate your reasonable response and understanding. I think I caught on at some point and continued to poke the bear anyway. I couldn't help it lol.
You should go into every session with the idea that it will always be YMMV...
Hygiene is a top priority for me. I saw a gal a few years ago who visited from Europe. I ended up seeing her twice while she was in my area. Every one of her reviews said "CBJ ONLY". That's not a deal breaker for me so I saw her anyway. Well, once we started things up she hovered over me "down there" and I remember she said something like "wow, you smell really clean" and then proceeded to use her mouth on me uncovered. She did that both times I saw her.
If I had to give a single piece of advice to a guy starting out in this world, it would be to have impeccable hygiene. I can almost always arrive at an incall super clean, and if I can't, I will let the lady know that I will need to use her facilities upon arrival. And if a lady asks me to shower upon arrival despite the fact that I told her I showered before I arrived, I will gladly do so again to ensure she's comfortable.
It always amazes me at how clueless so many guys are about being clean. I've heard some real horror stories from ladies.
So you've seen her more than once then?
I agree 100% with everything people have said regarding Hygiene and the whole importance of personality and attitude and courtesy etc. I can unequivocally say my hygiene is never in question, I always take a very long bath before seeing any provider, I literally soak for an hour or more in a bubble bath, let the water out, refill the tub and soak for another half hour to essentially rinse. I am clean enough for surgery before every date. And yes I had seen this provider several times prior to the last awkward unfortunate date. During the last date I did not make an issue about things happening or not happening when I was in front of the provider, but I was stung and felt really foolish as the provider lied through her teeth about what she did and did not do. She wasn't a good liar, let's put it that way. Don't get me wrong I'm not going to slit my wrists because I couldn't do X, Y & Z but it was just a depressing reminder this is strictly a business and ymmv. I guess that's the part that always eats me up, this is a business and yet it involves the most intimate aspects of human relationships, intimacy and behavior. I have a hard time separating and compartmentalizing them like so many others can.
I mean soaking in a bubble bath might not be efficient and leave residue behind. Plus, are you scrubbing in all areas and getting a proper rinse by soaking again? I think a regular 15 minute shower, where you scrub certain areas and rinse them, usually works fine.
Also the most I ever paid for a FBSM, and with possibly the sexiest woman I’ve ever seen in my life, but the experience was dreadful. I’m sure other providers have other reasons they don’t want reviews, but for the one I saw it was definitely because they all would have been one star. It was so bad I couldn’t stop laughing as I was getting dressed.
And this is the concern. Without validation, you can get blind sided.
Mind you, a few of my best experiences were also with providers who didn’t want reviews. I even offered to give them amazing reviews because they deserved it. They balked and said they’re doing fine without it and prefer not having their business on TER.
There reasons made sense. They pointed out some reviewers can be toxic. It’s not so much about details about services. It’s small stuff. For example, they have seen clients who cop an attitude for something and if they stand up for themselves, crap review. They have seen clients show up not well groomed and/or smelly, and therefore not want to give them a BJ, even if covered. In return, crap review. They’ve had reasons why they were maybe 10 minutes late, and the client lost their shit because they were super tight on time. In return, crap review.
So on one side, I prefer reviews to protect myself. I get why some providers don’t want them. The toxic nature of some clients ruins it.
Mine also. She was so bad I think she did it on purpose to end the date lol. But on the other hand I ended up finding a regular who had no reviews and she is sweet and utr. Would have never found her if I didn’t give her a chance. She ended up not liking the business.
Sometimes clients don't write reviews. I have yet to get one. Decided to hop on here and make my own profile. Seems like clients aren't writing reviews as much as before since I have friends who have them and get one once in a blue moon.
Many providers have spent the last 5-8 years aggressively discouraging clients from writing reviews. It worked for a lot of them because they had reviews and reputations already. You can thank your fellow providers for pulling up the ladder.
There's me who wishes more guys would write reviews on us
I know a provider that gives "incentives" (discounts) to write a review. With regulars she has the client login, writes the review and posts it. Sometimes she has the client write the review then send it to her for "editing". To make sure all the buzzwords (especially anal) are covered so she gets a 10 out of 10. Every one of her reviews is 10 out of 10. Really?
Reviews are an advertising scam.
of the review rules on TER. Having a provider edit a review to be submitted by the reviewer can get the provider delisted for cause, and the reviewer banned. Giving discounts for reviews got a whole agency banned from TER a few years ago. The profiles and all of the reviews for every provider who worked there were taken down.
As CDL notes, what you describe is a clear violation of TER policies. Clearly the provider you know thinks the reviews are of value and working to manipulate them to her favor. Why are you not naming her and reporting that to TER?
Not that all 10/10 profiles are not already viewed as highly suspect and been that way for years. (Probably was the thinking before TER ever existed.)
I have come across a few providers that tried to do this as well. I imagine there is a lot more of this than some realize. The more savvy ones also know better than to ask for 10s for every review too.
Shocked. Shocked, I say.
She uses them to keep herself in the top ten in the country, and #1 in her home city.
What constitutes an actual "REVIEW", versus simply posting a (very) short personal "Opinion" of a provider who has a no review policy?
What I mean is: if you have a provider with an explicit "No Review" policy who vigorously pursues websites that post reviews of her ..... and then someone posts in a thread like this one I'm writing in right now, something generic, NON-Detailed yet opinionated like "I think PROVIDER XYZ from NYC is just B.A.D. ! Avoid her and book someone who is authentic and not a narcissistic, phony compulsive liar!"
You are NOT reviewing an encounter/date, you are merely expressing your opinion.
Now explain to me how I am wrong here.....