okay, ladies, the only thing cheesier than haggling about $$ is throwing up during a session, not washing for three days (unless you're in France), or asking you to wear a rubber george bush mask.  i get it (or at least i imagine that i do).  But I've observed a couple of things about $ in your business and want to know the business thinking on a couple of things.

1.  If you like a guy after getting to know him, does it make sense to offer a trade on price for regular scheduled visits (again price discount set by you, not negotiable)?

2.  for non-regulars, doesn't it make sense to offer lower price on hour 2, since you have him there already, he's going to drag ass getting out, and why not capture the extra marginal $?

not an economist, but i play one on tv...  thoughts?

1. Never, ever, ever Trade anything!  Smart Business 101. It is a business! Now, if I like you and we are seeing each other on a regular basis and if you are LUCKY. I will offer you a discounted rate or we can work out a deal that works for us both...Indeed. That is a win, win for both!

2. Non regulars, Obviously not you? Want all they can get for the cheapest they can get in the least amount of time and money necessary. Why would I offer a lower price to a stranger who I have to screen and feel out, etc, etc.. Shocking as this may seem.  It is time consuming to screen, email, get ready etc,etc. REPEAT FRIENDS GET THE BEST DEALS!

been in retail, but it isn't going to make sense to a lot of these ladies here. You're going to get raked over the coals for this (can't you just hear the cries of "Don't tell us how to run our business!"), but FWIW, I get what you're saying.

This is mostly a copy of a reply I posted below but its applicable here and may have gotten lost in the thread below.

In response to number one, If you like the guy romantically its no longer business. Now its emotional and all bets get tossed out the door when emotions are in play. If you like the guy as a GREAT guy because he is just a great guy and he is willing to commit to a schedule, then keep reading below, for MY opinion.

In response to question number two, please see the companions rates and don't even consider questioning them, again in my opinion. Often multiple hours are already discounted.

I can only speak for myself, but after the first 3-4 meetings if a client would like to work out a longer, more stable and mutually satisfactory arrangement then that is an acceptable discussion. However I feel it has to be approached in a reasonable manner. Certainly it needs to be a discussion and not a haggling contest. Don't reduce the companion to a flea market vendor, it will offend her immediately.

A few tips, never assume that just because I don't find a LTA ( Long Term Arrangement ) offensive, another companion wont as well. I consider myself to be worth what I charge, but I also like being in the moment. For me repeat clients are more valuable. This is because I get to know them, they get to know me and contrary to a recent thread, I like sex and I enjoy intimate arrangements. Its always better to play with a friend.

NEVER back your companion into a corner and ask for an immediate reply or decision with respect to this subject. Give them time to consider your offer.

Be cognizant of a fair offer, this is not a negotiation. If you turn it into a negotiation rather than a discussion its probably going to get insulting quickly. We are not selling widgets here, there is an emotional investment in what we are selling. Many companions will argue that their time is what it is and they have enough business to make that time and amount without a volume or frequency discount. If this is the case then so be it.

Don't confuse a LTA with discounting or haggling for a price. A companion will have a price for an hour, for two hours, for two days for whatever. Offer her something that she does not already have a price for. Two hours every other week for the next 6 sessions. That gives her advance notice, and it gives her a steady accounts receivable. This is a business very much like any other, only with an emotional investment as I stated above.

Asking a companion to change her rate for what she has published is not acceptable. Asking her to create a new rate for a new service is a reasonable request. A companions most basic rate is not to be negotiated. As an example, don't ask for a discount on the one hour rate, I wont go into it unless somebody wants to flame the comment but its not worth it to most companions to discount that rate no matter the frequency.

Finally I want to just throw this caveat out, MY OPINION IS MINE. I don't represent or speak for anyone but me.  Don't think for second that there are aren't MANY very HIGH QUALITY, beautiful, smart and and talented companions who would disagree with what I have said. This does not make either of us wrong, it makes each of us unique.

What are you Reagan? The Rush Limbaugh of the hobby?

You say it's "your opinion" as though that disclaimer carries any weight or balance against your sledgehammer 'My Way or the HighWay' messages.

Hell! Guys are going dry & women are losing business, GOOD business, 'cuz ladies blasting that mantra have the descent guys AFRAID TO ASK!  That make it so all you have left is the cheapassholes trying to jerk your price down.
That's followed by complaints and the assumption that guys who need to spend less and ask are undesirable clients or worse. In effect you are helping to create the situation you deplore.

Here's a similar question to OP:

In certain circumstances is it OK to ask a Provider about a lower rate without looking like a cheapass?

That question was asked on a hobby forum -

It was answered by reputable, reviewed, (fucking hot) in demad providers.

And GUESS WHAT THEY SAID!

"I think it is always ok to ask if done in the correct manner." READ THAT AGAIN

"you might say I would love to  see you,do you ever offer any specials or are there anytimes I might call  like early morning where you might be a more flexable?"  

"Let them know a little about you, that you are  a younger man or, if an older gent, that you are on limited income. If you are friendly and polite  many gals will try and fit you in rather than lose a client."

"I do not think there is anything wrong with that as long as you ask with tact. And, if you do not like the discounted rate the provider offers you -you also respond with tact."

Facism has no place in the economics of the hobby. It IS TRULY a Free Market with all it's principles.


HalfHour

PS The combination of your strong opinions, outspokenness and total hotness IS THE formula for sexy!!

Damn Girl, you Rock It. Thank you!

I agree with her 100%.  I saw my AFT about five times then sent her an email asking me I could see her every week for half hour sessions.  I visit her on my lunch break every week and it works for me and her.  Her normal rate was $500 and I aksed if I could pay her $250 for the half hour and see her weekly.  I didn't ask her to change her rate, just the duration of time.  Does that make sense....?  I have to add that my AFT is Smoking hot, smart, and can suck a golf ball out of a garden hose.  NOW that's talent!!!!

i get that, and i'm not discussing money with any lady because it's a buzz kill. but on the board here, while my wheeter is still in my pants, thought i might help your businesses by pointing out basic economic theory around elasticity of supply and demand.

words that most of the gals here will crucify you about: "help your businesses."

Most don't want this kind of help. They see it as an attempt by the guys as a way to get-more-for-less. Admittedly, many of the guys posting this type of information are doing it for that reason; they DO want more time with the provider for less money. However, even if that isn't your intent, few providers will appreciate what you're saying.

A wise provider told me when I started that many of these gals don't understand economics from the POV you're giving them. Several DO, of course, but most don't.

I get it because I've been in retail for 30 years; I get the supply-and-demand aspects. I thoroughly understand as well that sometimes a gal has to "give" a little to get more. Maybe the first two hours are 200 and 400 respectively; the third hour could be 500. Overall, it averages out to a little less per hour, but it's the best of both worlds; more time for him and more money w/ fewer clients for her.

Still, expect a hellacious hue and cry from this particular post.

I am not flaming you, but lets have some fun. Keep your wheeter in your pants and its gonna be just fine. Hop on aboard and lets go for a ride.

Lets talk about the elasticity of supply and demand.

Your statement is so very true, yet not universally applicable. Your first reference applies to a relationship and developing feelings. Two people find each other. One a companion and one a client. They meet and its magically delicious. Over a period of time they develop an emotional relationship that is of interest to both of them. So I would say lets throw that out the window as there is no application to supply and demand in the emotional market. The emotional market leads you to make emotional decisions. We all know how wrong that can be.

Now the other scenario you are talking about is real supply and demand economics. But it does not apply nearly as much as you would think. Here is why, " I am not someone else, and she is not me".

You can line me up with 25 sexy brunettes, and we will all be different. For those of you that think this is an Elitist statement, its not. The reality is we are all different. Hair color, eye color, menu, waist, skin, complexion, color and a million other things. There is a LIMITED supply of ME or any other companion. We are all individual.

Of course I am waiting for the crass reply of it all feels the same with my eyes closed. And I am not saying that it will come from you. But if a client takes that approach, he should find a companion to fill that role. Easily there are companions who are nasty, filthy crack whores that for 60 bucks will let him close his eyes. More power to them, they need crack money and your support too. (not you personally).

If I cant do a good enough job for you to want to pay to come back for more, I just didn't do a good enough job. I should shut my door, my legs and my mouth.

I am sure you realize that providing a product is very different than providing a service. Finally some of us are not as stupid as people think. At some point we could crash our own economic model. Discounting for the sake of discounting is just a piss poor business decision. Even the shittiest business school will tell you that when supply out strips demand, create more demand!! Differentiate, enhance the product or service, but only as an extreme and limited exercise should you lower your price.

-- Modified on 5/16/2011 2:40:48 PM

Suck a golf ball out of a garden hose. LOL
If someone could do that, I am not sure if I would let him or her anywhere near my lady parts. I am very delicate you seen. Sucking so hard you leave with my clit is not a selling point. LOL

Also, one might ask how much activity goes on during these "lunch breaks?" If it's easy on her and doesn't require much prep then maybe break in rate works for her.

A minimum booking time for many ladies is based on overheard, time spent to prep, screen, etc and so forth. Like an appointment for 1 hour might cost a lady $100 on the back end, and a appointment for 1/2 hour $75 - not half. So a simply breaking the rate in half doesn't yield the same profit margin.

Most business owners really don't want unsolicited "free advice"...especially when it is critical of how they might be operating.  I am sure that you think you know what is best for a lady to do with how she should price her commodity...but you probably don't (unless you have an understanding of her and what her goals are...which, in most instances you don't).

In this "hobby" the way a gal sets her prices is dependent on what she is seeking out of this deal.  And while you may think this or that is a better way to go, unless you are ready to learn (and more importantly she is interested in you being involved quite inatimately) what she is really trying to achieve, and what her goal and objectives are, you would have no real clue as to how to "guide" her.  The same holds true in any other type of business (in that many are reluctant to listen to advice from any competent professional).  

Where this does work is when the business owner actively seeks that professional guidance.  They recognize that they need another "set of eyes" and are prepared to accept "constructive criticism".  This is how I see this topic...plain and simple.  And even then, many times I can see something and the business owner simply can't/won't see the same thing, hence no change in their business model.  But occasionally that business owner does open their minds and allow that there may be a better way to get to that goal.  And I relish when those moments happen!

You are completely right about anyone who thinks "it all feels the same with my eyes closed."  First of all, I hardly ever close my eyes when I'm with a provider -- or any woman.  I am feasting my eyes on her while she's "doin' what she duz."  My hands are busy, too.  And, yes, other parts of my anatomy are very happy but the whole of me is connected to my brain and it's all happening at once.  I don't want to be with anyone who makes me want to, or lets me, close my eyes.
Oh, yeah, and as to the rest of your post, I get it.
(You know what?  I just realized that, when I was with my SO, I really did close my eyes.  I was reduced to replaying scenes from porno movies on the insides of my eyelids.  Perhaps that's one reason why we're separated?)

boss every day at the store. There are sooo many ways she could make her retail business more profitable (including better overall planning so something gets done once instead of three or four times, and definitely so it isn't all last minute!), but she refuses to listen to anyone. Because she won't put anything in writing so that we all know what she wants us to do, she then gets impatient with us because we're not doing whatever it is "right" or "fast enough."

The only reason I'm still there with her? I like the products she's selling and the crafting that makes the products necessary, I like being able to teach others the joys of that particular craft, I work the hours I want to work on the days I want to work, and the biggest plus: she's usually in her other store (she owns two). When she's at the store where I am, I simply listen to her come unglued, ask her what her priority for that day is, "smile and nod" and then add it to my ongoing list of things to do. (She'll change her mind about the priorities about six times during the day, so I simply write all of them down now.) I do what I know needs to be done in spite of her dithering.

Still, a little less disruption and a little more consistency would feel good.

Reegan I couldnt agree with you more .I love how intelligent you are .

I find it insulting when a man asks me for a discount or haggles .
It is just rude.
As one of my professors said " KISS" Keep It Simple Stupid.

Bottom line: Please do not ask me for your own special donation. I have my donation on my website and thats what it is no more no less.

Here's the thing about most business - your market/customer base should dictate how you advertise, handle customer service, and so forth.

Wal-Mart deals with customers very differently than Louis Vuitton. Neither is good or bad, but fits their customer base and their business plan.

Smart business to me means = Turning a profit and growing your business  all while while getting what you think your product or service is worth. This may include giving breaks to regulars to promote loyalty or offering discounts for referrals or new clients to increase quantity of clients. It may mean adding perks not usually offered "normally" to brand your product/service as luxury.

What ever your business/plan or model, it has to fit your needs, capabilities, resources and align with your goals for your business. And with this you have to remember unless a client is actually "your client" listening to his/her opinions might not best serve your goals.

I constantly ask my "regulars" for input because they are the ones I want to keep happy. Not to bash any guys who has posted here or offered advice, but other than marketing/advertising questions, a non-client's opinions often don't carry much weight with ladies as they don't have a full picture of a lady and what an experience might be like with her.

okay, a few things in fun, though economics is pretty much no fun, or, technically speaking, douchie.

here's a little more of what i was really getting at, which is, optimizing your cash in-take given time and effort. youre a little too focused on whether some scum is getting something for nothing, as opposed to building good client base, optimizing your own expenditures.

in case number 1, by "like the guy", i meant as a client.  he's reliable, non-stinky, etc.  does he see you even more reliably if you offer an even easier way for him.  remember, i'm new to this and this isn't some massive form of haggling.  is there too much female ego at stake to make this offer? by the way, also, i would never ask for this.  discussing money is a buzz kill.  but if it were offered, my male ego and desire for easy good time, it might pave the way to more regular business.

in case number 2, you have the client there with you.  you've spent your time getting ready, you've clipped your $1500 for the first hour.  you can kick him out at minute 60, while he grovels for any spare affection that's left,  or you can grab another $1000 to $1200 four hour number two.  or $500 to $600 for another half.  because he's there.  why not grab the extra dough?

two things i've learned so far from this thread:  providers are not a commodity and that rings very true, so you're looking for the stable of guys that prefer you, value you at your price.  also, economics discussions are kind of lame here on a "party" board.

lastly, f--- nicky, he is a horny yes-ma'am-man...

You didn't get what you paid for. Business is all trade of one sort or the another and that my dear is Bus 101.

In this case you are satisfying a need and you get paid. Bargaining and trading is two different things, don't you think.

And if you really think I'm "a yes-ma'am-man" why don't you scroll down and read my mano-e-mano with Reagan of yesterday.  Shit, we went at each other for so long Gambler had to call a halt!  So, if I happen to agree with her, maybe, just maybe, it's because she's right and I thought the statement I responded to was important.
PS:  What the fuck is f---?  Do you really think on this board we can't say "fuck?"  Okay, then, go f--- yourself!  LOL!
PPS:  I'm really not gettin' your whole thing here.  Why are you so damn interested in all the ins and outs (no pun intended) in how a lady manages her biz?  I mean, it's like when guys ask how many guys a provider sees in a day out of some kind of perverse fascination with it.  I'm really curious.  What is it you're hoping to learn here and why?  If a gal is businesslike or not, you're not going to change her.  And you're not going to cut yourself a better deal by knowing what goes on behind those big blue (or brown, or green) eyes of hers.

Very interesting topic and discussion but I'm using an alias to try to avoid being flamed to a crisp ... from both sides!

Google "Freakonomics prostitute Chicago" for the Levitt and Dubner discussion of the economics of high end escorting. That is just THEIR analysis.

Another test of everybody's favorite theory could occur eBay-style. Since there's no way eBay would allow escort listings, maybe TER could make a TER-Bay, strictly for research and entertainment purposes, of course. Using the forums, bids would be open, not secret. I have a feeling that a lot of the very high priced girls ("minimum bid" = $1000) wouldn't get much movement but that opening bids $250 or $300 would get intense.

I'll bid $250.

Dantananot,

Ok So lets try this out for a proper response.

Your number one has nothing to do with an emotional impact, OK then the client falls into my number two. So now because I like him as a good client do I offer him something based on Volume and Frequency. I am pretty sure I already said yes and explained why.

Your next scenario is exactly why companions are wary of doing anything for anyone. To begin with we don't like the "you've clipped your $1500" attitude. We don't want to end the session in an up sell. And it only takes one guy to get pissed off and call us an up sell companion to ruin a few years of hard work. You look at it as extending a great offer, many guys look at it as getting fleeced. This is where you don't understand our business. You were warned somebody would say that.

Do you feel for a minute that if you spent an hour with a companion, and then wanted to extend she would not let you extend to the two hour rate if she didn't have anything else to do. I would, and while I cant speak for all, I am sure many would. As long as it suites their needs and their schedule.

I don't understand why you ask such an apparently obvious question though. I looked at your reviews (sound familiar Inickey) and then looked up the companions. They offer discounts for extended rates, everyone I know does. Why do you feel we need to be educated in a topic we already seem to have settled in advance. Look at my web page and you can see discounts for time.

Perhaps this is a strong statement, but your economic model is poorly applied. Supply and demand may be one of the biggest misused phrases of all times.

People seem to think that supply and demand are equally distributed for any application. This is untrue, economists usually identify five main factors shaping demand: diminishing marginal utility, income, substitution goods, complementary goods, and consumer tastes.

Then there are the supply line specifics. Supply is influenced by several factors: production costs, technology, the number of competitors, and the expectations of producers.

It seems that you have decided that cash and a hole are the only factors to apply.

Now I have to toss out the comment that NOT all your dates have probably been posted, but obviously I only have get access to what you post.

As for Inickey.....he can stand on his feet, and usually very well at that. Trust me all you need to do is look at our last exchange to see that neither of us kiss the others butt.

by all means, passionately defend your honor, sirrrr.  grrrrr, to you too.  when i get fully comfortable, perhaps i'll even say the whole f-word.

I don't know what the fuck you fucking people are fucking talking about, but once I get my fucking buzz on, and the fucking mods let me say what the fuck I want to say you can be fucking sure you're going to get a mother-fucking earful.

Now, let me read the fucking shit so I can get on the same fucking page as you dumbass mother-fuckers.

In the mean fucking time, here's a little fucking ditty I hope you fucking enjoy in the fucking process.

Now was that so fucking hard?

I will admit to being a little too willing to light the wick on my flamethrower!

Think about if your employer pay you based on your ideas of "smart business"

1) if you like your job would it be okay if your employer pay you less?

2) do you get pay if you work more than 1 hour...how would you like that??

First of all, I've decided I would like to kiss your butt.  But, I must say, your lecture on the main factors affecting demand...well, let's just say...hmmm...I would probably prefer it if you just talked dirty.  What are you, an MBA or something?
And, as for our knock-down-drag-out of yesterday, you have an update via PM.

we ladies are SELF-employed and set our own rates. We don't have some boss telling us how much we can make in any given hour, so your analogy is incorrect.

Nothing wrong with asking for discount if you have good chemistry both want to repeat, and plan to schedule regular visits. But clearly wrong, not to mention annoying to ask in advance. The rate is set for a reason. Dont waste her time with haggling. It's annoying, and makes a bad impression. She needs to want to see you, not dread it knowing you're bargain shopping. If you can't afford her rate, find someone you can. Pretty elementary.

he's trying to get the gals to understand a particular business method.

The ladies don't have to agree to it, but that's all his post was trying to accomplish.

Jeez Louise!

If so, I need you in Chicago on Thursday, in a conservative business suit.  I can pay your fees net 45, will brief you ten minutes befor the meeting starts.

Does make sense, but who knows how one would react. But I've seen many ladies that I repeat, and we do have discounted multiple hours because we have fun together, good chemistry, and less exposure to new clients/providers which can take stress out of the equasion for both of us.

I say its my opinion because I don't ever want a companion to think I speak for them. I am pretty sure that does not need any more explanation.

On to the OP, what you are saying is not what he asked. His first question was if a companion and a client get along, is it a bad thing to ask for some financial consideration. I misinterpreted it to begin with as getting along meant an emotional relationship. He pointed out that was not what he meant and then I gave him my opinion....re read it, I said there was nothing wrong with it.

His second question was about spending additional time at a discounted rate. I didn't see where I disagreed with that either. In fact I even mentioned looking at my rates to see how I discounted over time.

I never said that guys who need to spend less are undesirable? I have no idea where you got that. I did suggest that he be careful how he approached the subject and offered some ideas, no different than what you cut and pasted just not the same ideas.

I am sorry but we are going to have to agree to disagree on certain aspects of your post. Its my opinion that asking for a discount up front, a reduced rate, or a more flexible time is not acceptable. After a few meetings, or perhaps even one, but asking up front does not work in my book. And trust me its MY book, you understood that part very well. Nothing was said about asking if and when I might offer a special. That question is not out of line at all, and I hope my answer would not be either. If I am not allowed to have an opinion please let know. If you feel I owe it to you, the OP or society to work out a deal, let me know that too.

Two more quick comments and then I have to check someone's homework. I have had the "older gentleman" disclaimer already, actually multiple times. Trouble is in screening I found out exactly how limited his discretionary cash was. He was the 27 year retired  VP and executive director for the region of a fortune 500 company. I am sure his pension would have covered his time with me. Secondly are you saying that I am not a "reputable, reviewed, (fucking hot) in demand"  (I fixed the typo) provider?

OK what makes me not reputable? Shoot what makes you any more reputable than me. I think I am at least kind of hot but maybe I am only cute and not FUCKING HOT. As far as in demand, well thats my business not yours, his or the the rest of the boards. You can guess all you want.

If you want to call me a facist then fine, but I think your wrong.  You make a very valid point about my way or the highway. As I told the OP and I will tell you, my opinions represent ME. Certainly when it comes to me you can rest assured its my way or the highway. You have a choice of where to spend your dollars, go where you get what you want how you want. I am not for everyone, and everyone is not for me.

OMG, net 45???? See what the world is coming to!! Please god let my child be a personal injury attorney, or a peace corp activist. Anything else is just too corporate.

Despite the bad late-night infomercial overtones of your post (BUT THAT'S NOT ALL!) I'm not quite convinced that I should be drinking your Kool-Aid.  Perhaps I would be more easily swayed if these "fucking hot" providers from whom you quote directly were better spellers, or used correct punctuation more often. The use of the term "gals" by one of your expert sources, coupled with the idea that being "friendly and polite" would be so unheard of that it might earn a client a discount, also does not sway me. Granted, it took a long time for me to get that far through your post since I got stuck on the part instructing me to "READ THAT AGAIN", and I kept reading it over, and over, and over.....
Regarding the economics of this hobby, someone should have explained to you that we aren't conscripted into service as providers.  This is a LUXURY, meaning that despite your apparent sense of entitlement which also has no place in the hobby, you aren't entitled to anything. Try taking a look at the luxury goods market and how it behaves relative to the economy.

Posted By: HalfHour

What are you Reagan? The Rush Limbaugh of the hobby?

You say it's "your opinion" as though that disclaimer carries any weight or balance against your sledgehammer 'My Way or the HighWay' messages.

Hell! Guys are going dry & women are losing business, GOOD business, 'cuz ladies blasting that mantra have the descent guys AFRAID TO ASK!  That make it so all you have left is the cheapassholes trying to jerk your price down.
That's followed by complaints and the assumption that guys who need to spend less and ask are undesirable clients or worse. In effect you are helping to create the situation you deplore.

Here's a similar question to OP:

In certain circumstances is it OK to ask a Provider about a lower rate without looking like a cheapass?

That question was asked on a hobby forum -

It was answered by reputable, reviewed, (fucking hot) in demad providers.

And GUESS WHAT THEY SAID!

"I think it is always ok to ask if done in the correct manner." READ THAT AGAIN

"you might say I would love to  see you,do you ever offer any specials or are there anytimes I might call  like early morning where you might be a more flexable?"  

"Let them know a little about you, that you are  a younger man or, if an older gent, that you are on limited income. If you are friendly and polite  many gals will try and fit you in rather than lose a client."

"I do not think there is anything wrong with that as long as you ask with tact. And, if you do not like the discounted rate the provider offers you -you also respond with tact."

Facism has no place in the economics of the hobby. It IS TRULY a Free Market with all it's principles.


HalfHour

PS The combination of your strong opinions, outspokenness and total hotness IS THE formula for sexy!!

So honestly, this has got to be the dumbest post I've read in quite some time.  Your business model needs some serious repairs as it makes absolutely no sense. Please, for sheer entertainment value, do regale us with the details of exactly how you arrived at the conclusion that by not offering discounts, we are creating the very situation that we deplore.
I think I'm going to go raise my rates now.

Posted By: HalfHour

What are you Reagan? The Rush Limbaugh of the hobby?

You say it's "your opinion" as though that disclaimer carries any weight or balance against your sledgehammer 'My Way or the HighWay' messages.

Hell! Guys are going dry & women are losing business, GOOD business, 'cuz ladies blasting that mantra have the descent guys AFRAID TO ASK!  That make it so all you have left is the cheapassholes trying to jerk your price down.
That's followed by complaints and the assumption that guys who need to spend less and ask are undesirable clients or worse. In effect you are helping to create the situation you deplore.

Here's a similar question to OP:

In certain circumstances is it OK to ask a Provider about a lower rate without looking like a cheapass?

That question was asked on a hobby forum -

It was answered by reputable, reviewed, (fucking hot) in demad providers.

And GUESS WHAT THEY SAID!

"I think it is always ok to ask if done in the correct manner." READ THAT AGAIN

"you might say I would love to  see you,do you ever offer any specials or are there anytimes I might call  like early morning where you might be a more flexable?"  

"Let them know a little about you, that you are  a younger man or, if an older gent, that you are on limited income. If you are friendly and polite  many gals will try and fit you in rather than lose a client."

"I do not think there is anything wrong with that as long as you ask with tact. And, if you do not like the discounted rate the provider offers you -you also respond with tact."

Facism has no place in the economics of the hobby. It IS TRULY a Free Market with all it's principles.


HalfHour

PS The combination of your strong opinions, outspokenness and total hotness IS THE formula for sexy!!

Fucking hilarious!  And don't forget the "S Word."

Jolene thought I was doomed to go down in flames, but instead I learned a lot of nuance from this thread.  Thanks!

With me.. after i see say you.. for a date .. as new dates use chart 2 on my site. then you have graduated to chart 1.. where the donations are much lower..   after a few more dates and we totally connect i have been known to drop the donation a bit more..    

Indiana Provider

LOL... You're welcome

The biggest things I learned about this board - nay this site! - are a) Just how big a heart many people have or how big a jackass other people can be and b) Posts are routinely mis-read or misconstrued and taken off-track [even hijacked occasionally].

Stick with it and remember to keep a sense of humor. There's a microcosm in here that's rather reflective of the rest of the world. You find out a lot about human nature on this site.

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I get not one reply... But TWO!

Yes. Two complete replies from one person on a single post!

If you act now, I'll show YOU how to DOUBLE your replies without posting more!


HH

Agree to disagree?? No way! I say you're fucking hot! and I'm not backing down!

OK. So you emphasize "its my opinion because I don't ever want a companion to think I speak for them"  OK. We'll go with that.

However, that seems a bit contridictory to "please see the companions rates and don't even consider questioning them." You and I BOTH know providers with "WEB" rates for Out-of-towners that do not charge those rates for locals. Mm point is that you are telling guys, across-the-board, to never question those rates, for any provider. Not YOU, not some, not most. but all providers.

So despite your "disclaimer" you are laying down Reagan Law there. Perhaps if you are only speaking for yourself, it might by more cohesive to say "Please see MY rates and don't even consider questioning them." Otherwise you imply by word, tone, and style that you are teaching the guys "the way it is" in the hobby. Which, by the way, it's not. It's only that way with SOME gals.

Likewise you say "Its my opinion that asking for a discount up front, a reduced rate, or a more flexible time is not acceptable." You are talking about EVER. For ANYONE. That's completely different from identifying that as YOUR business model, and your RIGHT to impliment it.

What you are clearly say is that asking IS WRONG. As in bad, or a sin. Something that a decent person would not do. That it's an action that identifies someone as lacking in something, and that you are better than that.

That is what I say is a crock.

There is NOTHING WRONG WITH ASKING ABOUT LOWER RATES or discussing it respectfully.

Just because it OFFENDS YOU and some ladies doesn't mean it's what's "RIGHT." You're not in charge of hobby morals & ethics.

MANY decent guys and gals feel the same way I do. Since there is no church, dictatorship, or even duly elected governing body make the determination that one of us is "in the wrong" we should be careful about imposing our "OPINIONS" on the others.

DO you see what I'm getting at? This realy is a "what's right for me" kind of issue.

Also, allow me to clarify. I do not think you are a fascist. I believe you have strong opinions and are outspoken. And that makes me horny.

What is a fascist message--in my opinion and I do not speak for all hobbiest (just a shitload of 'em)--is this:

"You better never bring up the subject of a discounted rate, you pathetic piece of manscum. Because my printed price is not only above question, it is more sacred than the Pope's words. And if you ask, you're going to be blasted or blacklisted as a loser, timewaster, stalker, cheater, bad, client fucking fuck." ... or thoughts to that effect.

Is that what your message really is?


HH