To the guys who see kgirls, I notice more and more reviews of kgirls, what is the fascination with kgirls? Is it because there donations are less? I would gladly pay 1000 to 1500 for a lady who have the curves and the ass and if she has some nice boobs that’s a added bonus,I have tried kgirls and they just don’t do it for me, it seems like it’s more reviews of kgirls then any other providers, please help me to understand what the big deal with kgirls are!

Also if you go by survey results, Asians females are preferred by most males of most other races.

what's the big deal with your $1000 curvy provider!
I would say, way overpriced, but it's what you like and want.
Just like I like and want to see Kgirls!
I am attracted to Asian women!
And it is a way better bang for the buck in the P4P world.
But that's not why I see them, I would pay whatever they ask!

Survey results? Like People magazine stuff? Academic scientific psychological studies have usually found that Asian faces are rated the most attractive. That has been attributed to the perception of symmetry. Eyes like this - - are in a straight line and the centerline has to be "found" by processing other cues (bridge of the nose; eyebrows; forehead). Slanted eyes like this \ / immediately draw or narrow the viewers attention to the centerline and that emphasizes the facial symmetry.  
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With computers, researchers can take one face and alter its symmetry by minor distortions and changes. That eliminates a zillion other facial factors that can confound the older method of using photographs of different faces and trying to figure which single feature was the most important to the attractiveness rankings.
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/psychology-of-attractiveness-and-beauty-804247 -- I thought I posted about this more recently but I can't find those posts.

It's because the donations are less.  Badger48 is a K-monger and he admitted it in his post...twice.  He said "your $1000 curvy provider" is "way overpriced."  He also said K-girls are "a way better bang for the buck.

For non-Greek action, I don't think kgirls value can be beat, especially if you are to factor in bbfs availability becoming the standard. A lot of open menu items for a price that is generally lower than an independent escort, convenient and schedulable sometimes in under a minute.  

Thanks guys, price and performance make a lot of since, I guess a guy can play more with kgirls because of price.

Based on your question I would have thought you were in the LA market or maybe BA but looks like you're mostly in Denver.

Its a form of human trafficking. I did a post on Kgirls earlier this year & everyone who supports them went nuts. It is what it is. Those who pride themselves in booking only kgirls don't really care about women in general it is quick gratification. The majority of these kgirl providers are working off Visa’s to get to the USA. It is a form of pimping. Anyone who cares would want to hold a conversation. I am sure the price is right, but you are contributing to human trafficking. They are not 100% independent & are not doing this out of their own free will.  Labor trafficking is real too! It is sad.

Thanks for posting. Make it a great day! Xoxo

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The link below will explain that ENGLISH is mandatory in Korean schools, starting in primary school, and that 30% of classes are taught in English by the time they go to college.  The Kgirls that come for 90 days TO TEST THE MARKET sometimes have limited English because they have been out of school for 5-10 years and didn't get the chance to use it after graduation, but they re-learn very quickly when being in the US and using it every day with customers.  Once they decide to stay here to work, their English gets better very quickly.  Most even know the difference between "your" and "you're" which many educated in the US get wrong daily.  

You don't know what you're talking about.

I went back to read your old post that you mentioned and all the replies.

You should probably be focusing on ladies in the Latin/Hispanic and the South American ethnic groups.

One of my favorite NYC K-girls was trafficked to the US by -- wait for it -- her own family!!!  
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Her father worked for a big Korean company and he and his family were transferred to the NY offices for several years. This girl went to US schools for around (I don't know the exact number) 4 - 6 years and graduated from US high school.  
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When her father and family returned to Korea, she chose to stay in the US. Her English was OK but still accented. She was BEAUTIFUL but had a bunch of unflattering tattoos, not so much art work as gang or punk symbols. E.g., she had sloppy writing on her knuckles (I can't remember what it said, but it was in the punk-ish gang-ish "F U C K" "Y O U" category as well as some other tats.) I guess she was her family's wild child and probably did NOT go on to get a job with Samsung, Hyundai, or Kia.  
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/cherrydd-review-by-impposter-1009582
I saw her several times after that initial visit and "6" review and things improved vastly. She wasn't my ATF but she was up there. She spent some time working in Hawaii as Lucky but she trafficked herself there on a jet on her own.  
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There are too many Cherry-s and I think that reviews and Profiles have been totally jumbled up. I don't think that my 2010 Cherry is the current 2023 CherryDD ... but I hope to find out!

Sadly, she has an agenda.

So if they don't speak English, it must be human trafficking?
Sound logic, Bia.  

And my guess is that the business model hasn't changed all that much. It just seems to be alittle more stricter then before but after that whole LA CityVibe thing I get it.
But the service was really pretty good, be it scripted. It was a fun one hour hit and run thing escape. Price was 250 at that time, which held for awhile so the value was there. The girls were good looking, I had a few 6's but alot more 7,8,9's. My buddy and I were in with the Mamasan, to the point that we would get a heads up with the new ladies. And their English was borderline to non existent. And it seems like session to value is still the same as before. So I can see how they have their groupies.  
It was mentioned that trafficking may be involved.....I kinda tend to agree with that, to a point. It's not cloak and dagger shit in the middle of the night where they're hauled off in the early AM.
This scene seems to fills a need, always has.

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cool46 I agree, I don't see the appeal of the KGIRLS they are mostly little twig girls if I want a spinner I'll buy an inflatable.  

2 thumbs up! I agree with everything you said

I’m looking all over the place, but mainly Los Angeles and Denver, Denver really sucks when it comes to kgirls, I just haven’t had any good experiences with kgirls in Denver.

Queen Bia is right, at least with the kgirls in Denver, I can’t communicate with most of them, which is another big turn off, and it has been a few I seen where it was another female,older female in the room and she took the money and directed the other girl on what  to do!

I never thought Denver really had a good K scene, but that is looking from the outside.

Gloria is ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️. She’s getting older, but her service is really good.

Are you talking about AMPs?

going to massage parlors (AMP) rather than the Kgirl escort setup which is usually in a 2-bedroom, 2-bath apartment (to accommodate two girls seeing customers) in a large, modern apartment complex.  They are two completely different animals. There is NEVER a "manager" in the standard Kgirls escort incalls, but there is always a manager in a massage parlor set up, taking the money, even if they are offering full service beyond the massage

Ethnicity/Asian you come up with reviews of the girls who are agency affiliated. The agency's aren't based in Denver. Their rate are on par with say, LA, Vegas and they do promote the girls as Korean..Check out a few of the reviews of any of the girls. notice how they move around....interesting, huh? So I don't think he's talking about AMP.
Somehow, if I wanted to work in the USA, LA, SF, NY, Seattle, Miami and Vegas is where I'd want to go...Denver just isn't on my city to visit...jus sayin

Yes, he is. He’s confusing AMP where there’s a mamasan who takes the money and puts you in a room where a lady joins you, with a KAgency/AAMP where the ladies work from condos, apartments and/or houses, there’s no management on site, and you pick your companion. Very different experience. I’ve heard of many AMP/massage parlors where the ladies, usually Chinese, are trafficked. I’ve never heard or experienced that with a KAgency/AAMP.

We don't really know who the guy is really talking about. He starts out asking why it seems so many seem to seek K-Girls, based on more reviews for them than others. He doesn't really narrow down just how he came to the conclusion but we can assume that is what he was seeing.

Thanks CDL , I guess I do have kgirls and massage parlors (AMP) girls mixed up, I thought they was all the same, the ones I have seen wasn’t in no 2-bed  2- bathrooms apartment

Say it ain't so!!

not an AAMP!
They didn't speak English, huh?
Can you detect when someone is speaking Chinese?

He already said he doesn't get the fascination with Kgirls!
He sounds like he doesn't like them!

As noted elsewhere in this thread, Denver does have an agency now, Girls Offices. It operates as a AAMP, exactly as you describe.

When I'm traveling on business, my first choice is a local Kgirl agency if they have one, but if none, I will see a local indie.  Next time in Denver, I will give them a try.  Thanks for the info.  

a civvie Chinese girlfriend for a year.  Her English got pretty good.  She only spoke Chinese to me when she was pissed, so I knew she was swearing at me.  Lol

that pandarus ID'd above.  If they are like most Kgirl AAMPs, you might be amazed at what you get for the price.  Good luck.

Why pay those prices for an agency that runs like an AMP. But hey, It's Denver...Guys will do what guys do

not AMP, and $360 is not out of line when there is no competition.  Unlike SoCal, its a sellers market when there is only one legit agency.  The top girls in LA are now averaging $340 for GFE, $100 more for those that offer PSE.   Prices are no longer one-size-fits-all at agencies.  They have girls at varying prices.  Prices would be even higher in LA if there was only one or two agencies.  The Denver price still beats indies.  

Hpy, I think you're missing the whole discussion on the AAMP and AMP thing. Cool, the OP, doesn't have a review of any Asians going back 5 years (start of 2018). His assessment of K-girls/Asian providers is not based on seeing agency girls in Denver and the other Denver reviews don't seem particularly relevant for trying to understand where he came to his views.

Getting a feel of the audience here...But I got it

Just a note about visas.  South Korea is one or the 40 or so countries in the US visa waiver program, so South Koreans can visit the US for 90 days without a visa.  

Thanks, CDL and Pandarus I will and I will write a review to let everyone know about my experience.

this is one of your most lucid and articulate posts.  I agree with each of your points.  Kudos.

seen a Kgirl that was trafficked?
Or ANYONE in P4P that was trafficked?
If you did, did you do anything to help them?
Sounds like you don't like pimps, ever turn one in or did you just figure it's not MY problem!

"What's the fascination with white girls?"

Who's to say what's normal?
A lot of people just like what they like, if my guess is right, you would be included in that too.

I have seen plenty of them when they were a fantastic option - lower donation , better service and amazing looks many were like models, conversed well, and I developed offline friendships with some of them too

I agree. I will also add here it's not just KGIRLS that have been delivering disappointing quality post-COVID. I've seen provider after provider since the shutdown and almost all are a far cry from their posted pics; a lot of overweight girls [even in their 20's - c'mon girls - you are selling your bodies why let them go?] and an overall lack of service for the higher prices being charged. It's just not worth it to me anymore. I'm going to explore sugaring at least there I don't have to be subjected to the hit and miss and lose $1000 each time situation.

better-looking Kgirls in SoCal, which seems to be where you are located, are still GFE service only, and don't offer BBFS.   The rates are only higher if the service is better.  Kgirls are free to set their own prices now, and they can't sustain a certain price level unless the service level supports it, so if you see veteran girls with over a hundred reviews, a good TER review average, at prices between $340 and $360, it's still an excellent value compared to indies.  Most of these girls are lower volume than the average-looking cheaper girls at the $280 to $300 range, so you get an energetic session at a great price.

Those are what I'm seeing more and more, everywhere. And some are even stealing IG models pictures and putting them on their sites. Isn't there honor among thieves? I wonder how the K-Boys put up with this? But they'll defend it to no ends.
Had a funny incident happen today...young lady I was planning to see. Booker was hee hawing about this and that..Then out of nowhere, I saw on another discussion board that the pictures were from an IG account, stolen. Check them out and yup.....and this isn't the first time I've seen this being done.  
And you say go back 5 years or so, shit go back 15 years and this scene it, didn't have all the nonsense you have now.
So I get you, but they do have their followers

IMO got much worse during COVID and has remained that way since. At this point it seems to be an unfortunate reality of the KGirl scene, especially here in Vegas.

seeing Kgirls, the SOP was not to alter the faces, just blur them out, and you had much less grousing about it from the customers.   Everyone knew it was for the girls' safety, but now that they are using software to ALTER faces, there are many guys who have a problem with this because they have only been her a few years, having entered the market AFTER the time period where blurring was standard.  The veterans were around for the blurring, so it's no big deal that faces are altered for the same security reasons.  

quite a while, past five years for sure.
Just search some older posts where guys are bitching about pics.
I mentioned this on another thread a while back, I also read it on another site's old threads.
There are complaints now and they go back years!

For a proper model like k girl in her 20s - which you may not believe, but I got a chance to see some of those in mid to late 2010s  

I took a break because I was frustrated. Had fun w sugar dating for a bit. Then had a lapse in that. Thought it’s been a while why not give it a shot  

Definitely the price. Not to mention most have an 'aim to please' attitude. Wait for honest feedback on looks vs the pics posted and you should be ok.

It’s probably been said but the answer is SERVICE. I like you used to prefer big tits and ass, still do. But the problem with those 1000 providers you mention is they don’t normally provide a fraction of the level of service you get from Kgirls. They pale in comparison. Now I almost exclusively session with Kgirls. And every now and then I run into one with the body type I prefer; heaven.

that's not why I see them!
I pay whatever the going rate is, with no complaints!
I used this before, twist much Chubby?

I've been tooting that horn for years on here, and each time I reported a shitty practice people would seek to downplay or discrefit my opinion. I then started broadcasting posts people being frustrated, fucked over and so forth so they are more visible. Guess what? The capt save a hoe brigade is working hard overtime. And I guess it's not desirable for the biz to have a lot of people talk about various real issues so they must be swept under a rug.  

If Rocket knew how to parse an English sentence, he would have realized that Happy identified three distinct categories

Well, everyone makes their own choices but for some reason some like to blame other for various things. I'm probably in your K-boy bucket (at least according to some) but I don't really put up with what occurs. THe agencies I've dealt with really don't use fake picks, overly old pics or overly photoshopped pic in my view. When I show up the girl looks very much like the one in the picture so I'm not surprised or disappointed.  

and right now I'm sort of into again, tho my interest is starting to want despite more kgirls showing an interest in seeing me. There are definitely some major pluses in going the kgirl route, tho as noted it's not for everyone.

one's built-up stock for potential Ms TER plummets.

What crusade? What am I derailing?

"I find it odd that some want to keep complaining about these bad agencies (rather than just noting specific new cases that don't seem to have been recognized just yet) while at the same time admitting that they keep spending their money at these vary same agencies.  "

Could you translate that into English please?

More like the BS market.  Can smell a BS post 1,000 miles away.

I've hobbied in parts of Canada and USA, Asians are just generally cheaper and provide best bang for buck. Although, that being said, in Canada their pricing is on par with Caucasians now, so my point isn't valid over there lol.  

Cap

Kgirls in their 20's here is because that is the age that is in demand for sex workers in Seoul.  Most of the girls we get here are former salon girls, who work in clubs pimping liquor at inflated prices to visiting businessmen, and then they will go to a hotel for sex with one of the guys they hosted that night when their shift is over, or they can pay the club owner a commission to let her leave right away.  

I contacted girls offices in Denver but never heard back from them, so I just might have to make a trip to Los Angeles to experience the kgirls scene, I will have to make sure they will see me first, I just want to see what the big deal is with kgirls, I know you get more bang for your money, but if I make a trip to Los Angeles with all the expense on top of what I’m paying a kgirl, am I really getting more bang for my money? And not to mention what I love in a provider as far as looks.

I know that you are in the know and know it all. Can you prove this or is it just more bullshit you claim to know.

Good point. I wonder how many KGirls she sessioned with to reach this conclusion? I’m guessing none.

That CherryDD is definitely NOT your Cherry!
That CherryDD is my Ms Jealous LOL The photos are her but photoshopped to add extra weight and height…
I got to know her very well and she works independently for whichever agency she chooses that has the highest volume of guests.  Travels across the US.  No sign of trafficking with her at all.  Just don’t mention you see other providers with her and you’re all good!