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fake reviews
ponyman49 15 Reviews 1410 reads
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I do a lot of reading on here because I feel I can continue learning things about this hobby. I have noticed lately that the topic of fake reviews has come up. My thought on this is if the provider and TER had a system where when a new review was written on them then TER could notify the provider thru pm or a text so she can verify she saw them before the review is posted. This could eliminate fake reviews. What's your thoughts on this?

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 473 reads
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But that may involve Ter to actively reach out to people for verification. I doubt they wanna pony up the money for the extra work. LOL.  

I would say that as long as they think that their system is a good 60% effective. There's no need to change the way they consider reviews.

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 8:26:33 AM

ponyman49 15 Reviews 417 reads
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Not sure if I'm supposed to mention another site here but another verification site  lets a client know when a provider has looked at his profile

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 8:47:58 AM

cspatz 68 Reviews 337 reads
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mrfisher 115 Reviews 415 reads
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For example, if the provider thinks it could be a poor review, she could deep-six the review, and thereby prevent other potential clients from being forewarned, among other draw-backs

shad0wwalker 474 reads
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The one thing TER could do that would eliminate virtually all of the fake reviews is to stop offering free membership. If you write two reviews in a month, you get one month free VIP (or at least that is my understanding). What could possibly go wrong with that scenario? Lol

Is the traffic from these guys so high that even if they never purchase VIP, it is worth it to TER? I really don't know.

FatVern 407 reads
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Reviews should be visible to any one who logs on. The only thing that should have to be purchased is the ability to PM. More fakes are written to obtain PM privileges.

Posted By: shad0wwalker
The one thing TER could do that would eliminate virtually all of the fake reviews is to stop offering free membership. If you write two reviews in a month, you get one month free VIP (or at least that is my understanding). What could possibly go wrong with that scenario? Lol  
   
 Is the traffic from these guys so high that even if they never purchase VIP, it is worth it to TER? I really don't know.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 381 reads
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...is a fully automated procedure on P411.  No human "labor" involved.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 320 reads
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A woman would know if she is expecting a bad review, and would very likely know the man's TER name from screening.  She would not need to see the content of that review, she would simply block it.

DT_lover 188 Reviews 345 reads
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Rewarding reviewers with VIP is a system that works.  Leave that alone

It is the problem of fakers that needs to be fixed.  This is a separate issue.

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 353 reads
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I think the number of fake reviews is not nearly significant enough for ter to do something about it. Besides, how do you think TER come to have the largest review archive out of all the review sites?

There's always a downside of anything you do. They obviously figured the free 2 week VIP for review written is worth the cost.

shad0wwalker 318 reads
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How do you eliminate the fakes? Because right now, guys who want VIP sign up, write two bogus reviews that are typically way off from the other reviews the lady has and they still get pushed through. Now the provider is in a bind because she doesn't know this person so she has no proof that they did or did not meet. I would wager that there are many more fakes floating around then you think

DT_lover 188 Reviews 296 reads
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My understanding is that TER can track IP numbers so creating a new name will not enable fakers to hide.  Yeah they can buy a new computer but that's a lot more expensive than paying for VIP.

FatVern 200 reads
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JackDunphy 257 reads
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Or is this the only one?

Wow, the hypocrisy in your post is astounding.

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 3:28:08 PM

GaGambler 285 reads
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I mean it's quite obvious that someone must be holding a gun to your head, literally forcing you to remain here against your will.

I bet you get all bent out of shape when someone refers to you as a "hooker" too, don't you? Isn't it amazing what someone will put up with for five hundred bucks an hour. Boo fucking hoo.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 306 reads
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Do you also realize how many of those reviews are for ladies who are not on TER? You expect TER to contact every provider that receives a review?
Also how would this work for bait and switch, rob, and just poor performance reviews? You really expect the provider to approve those? "Yes, I saw him." "Yes,Those are not my real pics." "Yes, I chased him out the door in 15 minutes even though he paid for an hour."

Does yelp contact all the businesses that get reviews to find out if the customer actually used their service.

Sorry, but your idea is just silly, yet it is not new at all, and has been proposed before many times.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 390 reads
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Not gonna' happen. Some guys are afraid of girls so they go under an alias and give little to no details so they can hide from girls lol.

Plus, there is way too much room for a girl to say no if she doesn't like the review. What TER does afterwards, is has us PM the guy and he has a choice as to whether or not he provides proof to TER.

I do suspect some reviews are allowed extra late, or off out of the 3 month time limit, (like maybe a year or two,) and also reviewed in another state to protect the guy from getting backlash from the provider.

It has happened to me - and they do get scared. I just look at them funny like - jeez what has happened to you that you're so afraid of women?  

I've seen a lot. As it is important to have correct reviews, I most definitely, after some shit I've seen, understand why there is a separation in the review process.

Lots of guys I've seen lately want nothing to do with reviews. They pay for VIP if they need to so they don't have to write reviews. I totally get it, as it can be a little - ummm - thrilling

sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 288 reads
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Is it me, or your last posts are actually funny? Keep it up 😉

And u actually used her Ter ID. Kudos. Really made me smile on this one.

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 4:06:48 PM

balljointnut 23 Reviews 293 reads
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Would it then be required that we give our TER handle to every hooker we review? If not how would they know whom the review came from? Many reviewers don't post their reviews for weeks or months after the session. For those that are high volume well good luck figuring out which john submitted which review without knowing their persona on TER. So no this would not eliminate fake reviews it would simple lead to mass confusion and no reviews.

Dr Who revived 346 reads
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I would bet that you have multiple IP addys attached to your handle.  Likely your primary IP addy is your computer that is static.  However, if you log on with a phone at Starbucks...you have a different IP addy.  Log off there and head over to some other wifi spot and log back on..voila..another IP addy for your current handle.

If your purpose was to log on with multiple handles...tracking via an IP will simply not get the job done.

I am 100% sure that there are some out in TERLand that create BEs simply for the VIP.  Writing a couple of reviews that are in line with a gals other reviews typically wouldn't be noticed.  Others may write scathing reviews using this method for other reasons.

If you need more information on how and perhaps why people use IP anonymizers....just google them.  
Posted By: DT_lover
My understanding is that TER can track IP numbers so creating a new name will not enable fakers to hide.  Yeah they can buy a new computer but that's a lot more expensive than paying for VIP.

SierraBenjamin 416 reads
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I think the system is being manipulated by people that do not want to pay for VIP. I think there should be more weight in white-listing... Or some verification from providers.

martykahn 295 reads
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Girl needs a boost, she'll reach out to a friend for alittle "help". And then there's someone that will charge a provider for a fake to review to help kick start someone...or again, as a boost to get the word out....It's just trying to weed out the BS that's the trick.

GaGambler 314 reads
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The review system is nowhere near flawed enough to render it useless as a tool. Thousands and thousands of guys use it every day and thousands of women rely on their good reviews for a big part of their livelihood.  

The Whitelist system is quite another matter, using myself as an example, I have three  whitelists and I have NEVER seen any one of the women who have white listed me. Not very confidence inspiring, is it?

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 267 reads
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And you don't have to buy a new computer. Lol.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 326 reads
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Legit reviews. There would be a drop in the total new reviews submitted (which obviously TER does not want) and there still would be fake reviews. I also disagree with your idea that guys writing fake reviews just to get VIP are writing reviews way out of line with the lady's existing reviews. I would guess most of the people doing it just to gain free VIP would submit reviews exactly on line with her other reviews to stay under the radar. Fake reviews that are way out of wack are not written for free VIP. They are written for other reasons.

JackDunphy 292 reads
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It was very specifically an indictment of TER.

So...put your money where your mouth is and leave then.

Otherwise, you are just FOS and part of the problem of advancing the very sexism you claim to be problematic.

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 4:59:05 PM

mrfisher 115 Reviews 243 reads
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but could it really be any other way?

The world is based on advocacy, and those who put up the dough (Overwhelmingly guys) call the tunes.

Not that advocates like yourself shouldn't prick us every once in while, if you'll excuse the expression.

pleasureglans 17 Reviews 308 reads
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I had a provider friend post in the LV section about a fake review. I PM'd her and told her to contact admin. They have always been responsive to me. Within a few days, the fake review was removed. My experience here is Admin. is mostly responsive and very responsible.

Posted By: TS Sasha
But that may involve Ter to actively reach out to people for verification. I doubt they wanna pony up the money for the extra work. LOL.  
   
 I would say that as long as they think that their system is a good 60% effective. There's no need to change the way they consider reviews.  

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 8:26:33 AM

BigPeterJohnson 38 Reviews 196 reads
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yeah, i gotta say fat vern is starting to grow on me.

which in and of itself sounds pretty disgusting.

hbyist+truth=;( 256 reads
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And I agree with her. It is by the john, for the john and always will be. She is merely stating the truth as she sees it and again, I agree. I don't have an issue with this site at all. I only come here to mess about and know the score and with whom I am playing.  

The hookers are not protected and never will be. I guess her delivery was a little too raw for some.

hbyist+truth=;( 240 reads
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She was not saying she is forced to do anything...she is stating the obvious. TER is not about the hookers at all. Never will be.  

I am here to fuck around on the boards. I don't have to deal with fake reviews...hell any reviews so I have no dog in this fight other than to add that even Yelp is fairer to the businesses than this place will ever be.  

AND many other hookers have stated they suffer through the review system but still do not like it. A part of the job some loathe...nothing wrong with that, oh unless it is voiced here that is.

GaGambler 252 reads
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She OTOH is trying to have it both ways, and she is completely FOS on this one, not to mention a complete hypocrite on this issue.  

The hookers lie and abuse the system every bit as much as the johns. How else do you explain OTHFBs getting pages of 10/10 reviews in a row without a single score as low as a 9? It's review manipulation of course, with any mediocre reviews getting deleted by any means necessary. To claim otherwise is to be either an idiot or a liar. There is no way a plump forty year old can be a ten to EVERYONE who sees her.  

Yes, guys abuse the system too, but to claim it's 100% slanted in the guys favor is complete and total horseshit. Some hookers most definitely are protected, it's not her delivery that's the problem, it's the fact she is full of shit on the issue

hbyist+truth=;( 256 reads
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At east then when a hooker is accused of dropping services she can let everyone know why. If she walks out on a scary trick, she can say why. And not have that trick post a bad review just because she walked through the door and he "saw" her.  

Other sites do it and if the ladies are not professional in their rebuttals, it does bite them in the ass.

JackDunphy 238 reads
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She thinks TER is a sexist, misogynist and demeaning vehicle towards the women here and yet she feels SO strongly about those convictions she cant leave it?

No one is forcing her to stay. I am just calling her a hypocrite.

Please show me where my assertion is in error based on her posts in this thread?

GaGambler 274 reads
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Hookers contest bad reviews on the regional boards all the time, sometimes their White Knights step up to defend them and they actually benefit from the extra exposure and other times they are exposed as the BSC hookers they are.  

TER is the big dog in this world, why should they be forced to copy someone else's business model?

escalade1964 65 Reviews 270 reads
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This whole world is a big fucking lie

so we must do research and rely on our gut instincts

hbyist+truth=;( 217 reads
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Regional boards are not the same as placing a rebuttal under the review where all johns who are checking her reviews read it.

TER can and does do what it feels like...that is not the issue here. Hookers and johns are this business but this site creates a huge divide and an us vs them attitude

NumNumMan 318 reads
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TER does the best job of any review site, by far. But, the real problem is not fake hobbyist reviews. The real problem are reviews "planted" by escorts.  I can give you the name of at least top 100 I have seen that I know for a fact has fake "good  reviews  (10/10)."  I can also give you the names of numerous others who have submitted fake reviews from accounts they create themselves.  

TER fights this by allowing anonymous reviews via an alias. This is a great option. If the provider challenges the review, the hobbyist must prove they met. A copy of an email showing the scheduled appointment is sufficient and the reviewer can maintain their anonymity and avoid getting black listed by an angry provider. This policy is very good in allowing bad reviews, where deserved. TER is a good judge in this area.

The area TER still needs some improvement is fake good reviews. With VPNs, proxy servers and the like, it is not hard for a provider to set up fake accounts. Luckily, they are not hard to spot from a hobbyist standpoint. One review on an account ... good reviews ONLY for the agency or friends of a provider. Most escorts are not good at masking the fake reviews. A few, however, are very good...like the 10/10 I reference above.  

Great TOPIC!! The more discussion it gets. the better. We need to share stories so as to help each other identify fake reviews

hbyist+truth=;( 217 reads
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And what makes some so special and others not so much?

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 266 reads
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(Or tricks, johns, or whatever you want to call them). I don't think anyone is disputing that. My comment about following the twitter page has to do with her comment about TER's management and crimes against providers. That appears to be lifted right off the twitter feed. I am also not disputing that story, just the fact that those on that twitter page are rehashing ten year old news like it is a current event.  

Going back to TER being a site by and for hobbyists: It certainly is, but it has definitely evolved over the years to give the providers a lot more say. They do address provider issues. They do remove fake reviews when they can be proven fake. They provide a provider's only board. They provide free ad posting. While there are ladies like you who don't want reviews and do well without them, there are many many others who do well BECAUSE of TER reviews. Also many providers have even found ways to manipulate the system to serve them even better. Is this a 50/50 site in favor of hobbyists/providers? Certainly not, but it is far from 100/0. I would say at the moment it is more along the lines of 60/40 or 70/30 max.

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 3:38:12 PM

NumNumMan 190 reads
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I have had my hand slapped by TER and also been given advice no how to handle touchy situations. TER appears to try to strike the proper balance.

NumNumMan 314 reads
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This is a very good point. We need to share our strategies for finding legit reviews.

GaGambler 220 reads
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Hookers get bad, but true reviews removed all the time. You are being every bit as one sided as the people you are accusing of the same behavior.  

I like you, but you are 1,000% wrong on this issue, your only saving grace in this debate is that while you are wrong on the facts, at least you aren't a hypocrite like the hookers on twitter or our own Ms Parker who is most definitely being a hypocrite here.

Anyone who doesn't like the system is more than welcome to hit the highway, the review fraud here cuts both ways and from the perspective of a guy who pays for VIP in a large part for access to the reviews, I find more fraud being committed BY the hookers than TO them.

hbyist+truth=;( 297 reads
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Trick shows up with a dirty dick (refuses a shower when asked)...hooker refuses BBBJ and wants to put a cover on to make it bearable and possibly safe. Trick gets pissed and slams her in a review.

If I was that hooker, I would want to ability to let others know....tricks and hookers what really went down and why the cover was added. Aside from all the other crap this right here is my only complaint.

I know both sides game the system. I am talking about health and safety. How many hookers have done something gross and/or potentially dangerous for fear of a bad review that they could not challenge should they have decided to err on the side of caution?

hbyist+truth=;( 219 reads
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Read what I wrote in reply to PerfectStorm.  

My issue is with safety and that alone. And what a hooker might have to do in order to NOT get a bad review BECAUSE she has no recourse. I guess I should have made that abundantly clear so tricks like you don't have a apoplectic fit.

GaGambler 230 reads
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You can bet your ass "something" is going on. No woman can be all things to all people and when you see the same women first getting a mediocre score or two and then seeing those mediocre scores miraculously disappearing,  it's pretty obvious that some hanky panky is going on.  

Sometimes it's hookers threatening or blackmailing reviewers to retract the poor reviews, other times some hookers seem to have mastered the art of badgering TER until they remove what they call the "outliers" but "some" hookers get away with shit that others don't. You're a fool if you believe otherwise and I don't think you are a fool. The only other explanation for your attitude is that you aren't being honest with yourself on this issue because there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.

hbyist+truth=;( 217 reads
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My ONLY issue is with safety...not 10/10 scores. I won't repeat myself here but do read what I posted to PS....my view always has been on the health and safety aspect and not the numbers. And how even an honest hooker can be penalized for being safe and not being able to tell the TRUTH. Yeah I do have an attitude...a big one for my health and the health and safety of ALL hookers. This goes so far beyond appearance scores. The only change I have been vocal about is rebuttals under the review.

GaGambler 198 reads
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Maybe that is YOUR issue, but "safety" is not the topic at hand.  

I would say "Nice attempt at deflection" but it was hardly a "nice" attempt, it was rather pitiful to tell the truth.  

Hookers abuse the system at least as much as the johns, if you can't be honest about that simple fact, there is no sense in continuing this conversation. Please get off you high fucking horse if you want to have an actual conversation on the subject because right now you are simply proving to the peanut gallery that you are indeed a MHB and not capable of seeing both sides of the equation.

hbyist+truth=;( 199 reads
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It always has been and it is related to allowing hookers to refute untrue reviews by tricks. If those untrue reviews are allowed and they are, it is not surprising hookers will game to get their advantage. Neither is right, and that is part of this overall topic.

I have also admitted to being a MHB...nothing knew here. You have said you're an asshole...so I guess we are both proving what we already know about each other

Squeezetheorem 221 reads
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There can be abuse, too. I worked at a SE agency that took great care to avoid reviews and keep girls delisted, even if it meant avoiding good reviews.  
-No reviews + no sex questions on phone or email = expectation issues. And with no reviews,  clients could lie about the norms with the other girls to sway you.  
-If you are new at an agency, reviews from previous work can help establish reliability (prior boss could also vouch for you, but has little motivation to do so). Having no such referencing does make you more  vulnerable to accusations from either clients or co-workers who could get you fired (or try to, at least). TER has no monopoly on bullies and fantasists.  
-The absence of reviews means that having real and accurate pics was constantly doubted. Rumors abound and much business gets lost.
If I could press a button to make TER go away, it would certainly be tempting to do so.  But, from my (agency girl) perspective, it has some advantages.

-- Modified on 12/26/2015 4:42:08 PM

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 233 reads
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...as a "hobby."  Totally false - what we DO is our hobby; WHO we do are women.

bbfs4ever 228 reads
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Your vitriol on this topic is over the top.  Your disdain for men is also quite clear.  Your other posts here indicate you are a member of at least one other review site.  I can see why you chose to create another posting handle here.  I wouldn't want to really see someone who hates themselves as much as you seem to hate yourself.

I see that you are trying to justify your insane arguments decrying that safety is your concern.  That is such a crock of shit.  I see what you and the others are screaming about on Twitter.  

I hope that your new site does indeed do well.  I can't wait to see it on live TV.  I'm sure you're not as ugly as your posts tend to portray you.  Please make sure that you and all of your other banned and delisted friends find a new home.  Then you can make money off the backs of your sisters who are never posting on these or any other boards.  That'll be OK though, it's for safety!!!!

bbfs4ever 213 reads
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I know some of those women that have followed that feed and am not surprised at the crap they are spewing.  I see some of that same garbage on the posts some of them are posting here.  The theme of safety is simply ludicrous.  And the bashing of some of the posters here on that feed suggests that the only tactic those banned women have is to bully.  

I enjoy the boards and the ability to discuss topics here.  In the short life of that pathetic feed many posts have been deleted where followers were offering up their POV.  So in essence the crazy posters here like hbysttruth and Alyson support the POV of suppressing the truth.  Quite the oxymoron for two female (I'm still not sure that hobysttruth is really a female) posters crying and whining about safety.

My simple solution for anyone who doesn't like what a board has to offer is simply to move along.  NO one is forcing anyone to be here.  However the leaders at the Twitter feed would like to sell the uninformed that they are being enslaved at TER.  How shortsighted and erroneous they are in their thinking.

Safety first.  HbystTruth, you have no idea in the world what safety is.

TheGreatGasby 17 Reviews 321 reads
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If the review is not favorable, she will simply say, Never seen him before.

FatVern 195 reads
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is you are still talking about the extortionist/reviewer. The better approach may have been to ignore it, or perhaps have your profile delisted in protest.

FatVern 180 reads
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If you eant to play the blame game, blame all the women who want to be reviewed.

mrfisher 115 Reviews 175 reads
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As pointed out, the way a provider handles herself in such a situation will speak volumes about her.  

But, many hobbyists will freak about that, and TER does not want that to happen as they pay the bills.  

YELP, on the other hand, is funded by ads from the vendors who are the reviewees.  So they have the juice to insist on countering poor reviews.  

 
Posted By: hbyist+truth=;(
At east then when a hooker is accused of dropping services she can let everyone know why. If she walks out on a scary trick, she can say why. And not have that trick post a bad review just because she walked through the door and he "saw" her.  
   
 Other sites do it and if the ladies are not professional in their rebuttals, it does bite them in the ass.

FatVern 178 reads
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Seems to be the dynamic between most employers and employees. Welcome to reality.

FatVern 300 reads
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The most egregious offenders seem to be the prominent members who write glowing reviews for women that IMO I wouldn't spend money to be with.  

1.) Who are they fooling?

2.) Who would consider anything they do, or say to be credible?  
Posted By: martykahn
Girl needs a boost, she'll reach out to a friend for alittle "help". And then there's someone that will charge a provider for a fake to review to help kick start someone...or again, as a boost to get the word out....It's just trying to weed out the BS that's the trick.

hbyist+truth=;( 177 reads
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Decent johns who give fair reviews don't have anything to fear. And I agree 100% with how a hooker handles a rebuttal would be a great screening tool for the guys.

Don't hookers have to pay for VIP membership? Then charge the hookers for ads. I can see why they won't, it will then take away the advantage

1192967 45 Reviews 181 reads
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...to qualify for it. It gives them use of the PM system, and the ability to read all the details of their own reviews, and a link to their profile/reviews in every post they make. It also gives them access to Provider Only functions such as White Listing and searching potential clients here on TER by the their e-mail.  

Many providers with the provider VIP pay for the full VIP membership so they can read the reviews of potential clients.

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