From hearing so many different opinions I am curious to know more about the difference between GFE and PSE. I’ve been told that I do both for years but o thought it’s just called good service (I don’t put a name on many things) I am interested to know more if anyone can elaborate

I would generally charachterize GFE as more of a friendlier, welcoming and passionate encounter whereas, PSE is more vocal, louder, and based more on the physicality rather than the passion. So its def about attitude, imo, but personally I think certain sex acts separate the two as well.  
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GFE is a bit more romantic, with deep, passionate, lengthy kissing, hugging/snuggling, with the intercourse more of a slower "love making" style, for lack of a better term.  
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PSE is more often associated with harder core, more physical, typically out of the ordinary sexual positions, which usually includes dirty talking, CIM/swallow, anal, etc. Of course some of these things will cross over, as again, they are very vague terms.  
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Generally speaking, I would view GFE as more like a real date with great convo, laughs etc while PSE is more centered solely on the more intense sexual/physical aspects.

There are no strict or generally accepted definitions of either. Everyone has their own opinions on what these terms mean.

GFE tends to be more clear. The variance and expectations don’t seem to differ quite as much. DFK, BBBJ, and covered full service are almost always in this package. FIV and DATO maybe but are more YMMV. Small talk and cuddling are also usually on the table. I think for many men, GFE was the evolution from the days that not kissing at all, or at least not with tongue, seemed to be more common. It took having sex without connecting to a more intimate place where it felt like you were paying to make love to a girlfriend, and not just having hooker sex.

If I had to break it down to one specific sexual act I would narrow it down to anal.

You have 175 reviews over 14 years and are rated as 15th in your market. You clearly know what you're doing... and are good at it.  
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Would you like help rebranding, or updating/word-smithing your offerings?  
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FWIW I also am not a fan of label/rule/upcharge specific offerings and consider discovering what a new friend enjoys part and parcel of the FUN this demimonde offers (winking at you, RR😘).

Gfe is going to be just that. An experience like you are with your civvie. Kissing. Cuddling. No rubber will be involved.  

Love the question! Although, I  don't think you're going to get a consensus and that kind of proves the point.

Many US based women do not want specific sex acts mentioned even after screening and prior to meeting, especially for the first time. They just dont want anything graphic/illegal, and thus potentially incriminating, in writing at all. I am not saying they are the majority, but they absolutely exist in large numbers.

I am sure she is spot on with the ones she is referring to.
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I am def one that looks for the "connection" in many cases, but not all. But I think it is fools gold to ever think I will "know exactly what I'm getting." The providers profile page, her reviews and her reviewers informing me of things privately all help, and can point me in the most likley direction of what I will LIKELY engage is with the lady, sex act wise, but I have been surprised to the upside, and downside, on several occasions, as i am sure we all have.
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That all beig said, the overwhelming majority of meet ups turn out as my research suggests so I am not complaining at all. I think keeping ones expecations in check is a learned trait that comes with experience. I very rarely have a bad time or even an average one, but had many of each when i first started.  
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Nothing beats experience and knowing what to look for and how to look for it, especially in this day and age with so many women opting out of "review culture."

Robert, I appreciate that. But as a note, I did lean pretty heavily on "for me" and "what works for me" language throughout my response quite intentionally. The phrases "important for each of us to do what we find is best for our business," "for me," "what I'm comfortable with," "it's worked well for me"?  Those weren't accidental.  

I want to gently push back on the switch flip framing though because I think it undersells what can actually happen when this works well. Warmth doesn't have to arrive AFTER business is handled. It can be there the whole time, from the moment the first email or text comes in to the moment you leave. Yes, the transaction piece is unavoidable at one or two points, but it's about making it the quietest part of the room. And yes, it takes time to figure out how to do that. So, thank you for acknowledging my craft. I do think it's an art.  

Recognizing that even with all that research, and whatever other expectations you have, it still might not be exactly what you expect is important. Any client who comes in and thinks they know exactly what will go down is contributing to making it feel transactional. Just as much as the provider needs to be able to flip that switch to make a connection, so does the client.

When you said "Asking for a menu of services before you have proven that you're not affiliated with LE is a huge red flag for most independent providers" the inference there is that it is ok to ask most providers about sex acts after screening and prior to meeting, and in that sentence at least, it can come across that you were speaking for others and not just yourself.
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I hope you dont think I am being overly nit picky, but its an important distinction as the people who are brand new and are lurking, are not the same as the experienced vets who post in this space often. I often post with those less experienced in mind as well as I remember all too well what it was like to be new.
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I help out a great number of new guys to this realm, and have done so for years, so my point, while it was in response to your post, was really meant for a wider audience of new/newer clients to the demimonde, as I didn't want them to think its perfectly fine to talk about illegal sex acts after verification with every woman as, trust me on this, they could find themsleves in potentially very hot water if they do so.  
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Honestly, it wasnt at all about correcting you, personally, as it was about informing others of the potential negatives of taking such actions. I hope that makes sense.

Paige,

QueenBia was on the right track with this. Some people in this thread make it way too complicated. They’ll claim these terms are vague or poorly defined but the opposite is true. These words indicate that a specific act is included
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GFE basically means DFK, aka kissing with tongue, is included. There may be a little more to it but that’s the basic requirement. If there is no DFK, the session isn’t GFE. LFK is an oxymoron and doesn’t count. If there’s cuddling but no DFK it doesn’t count either.  
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For PSE, QueenBia had the best response. PSE means Anal is included. It may also include COF/CIM but at a minimum it is anal. No anal than no PSE.
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Reviewers are fairly consistent with their expectations and consensus is fairly well established. If a provider doesn’t DFK, they’ll say in their review that she isn’t GFE. If she does anal, they call her PSE.

Per your defintion, sex with an ACTUAL porn star that inlcudes hard core fucking, numerous out of the ordinary positions like standing 69, standing mish, sex on a table top, etc and COF/CIM/swallow, all the while with extreme dirty talk is def not PSE bc there was no anal? I dont many people would agree with that, even if you take the pornstar out and replace her with a p4p woman or SO.  
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The fact is, there is no uniform definition of these terms as numerous threads on this topic over many years, including THIS one will attest, as so many have differing standards/opinions for what constitutes each.  
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If "consensesus was fairly well established" as you assert, why is there so many of these completely different takes on these terms whenever this topic comes up? There is no consensus and that just goes to the complexity and vagueness of terms that are not operationally defined as well as not being universally agreed to.

Welp it sounds like I’m more of a PSE +GFE 😅lol

Interesting. I always thought GFE included Greek. I guess I’m more on a PSE side (but definitely NO BBFS).

Wow for over 20 years in this industry I’ve been assuming that’s all a part of GFE and have been providing this. I guess I need to go up in price 😄

Thank you! That’s exactly why I asked 😊
The more opinions I hear, the more it seems GFE is one of those terms everyone recognizes but nobody defines exactly the same way

There is ZERO consensus. Hell, I've even heard someone say GFE means BBFS because that's what you'd get if she really was your girlfriend. That said, the Self-Help Guide includes a definition of both, so here it is just in case it hasn't been posted in this thread yet....

Indeed. One of the reasons I asked was because I really dislike discussing the menu over the phone/email because of those safety/LE reasons. And most clients have been assuming that’s PSE means BBFS and I Don Not offer that(if I did that would be $20k plus package and testing results 24 hours prior to) lol. Clearly something has changed lately and the requests for BBFS have been bothering me so much lately but I just block those clients or suggest they go to backpage, tryst(seems like a cheap trashy site), or those other cheap sites

Thank you that was a pretty good thread 😊
Someone should specify on there No BBFS for PSE so that it is clear for clients… most watch porn where no condoms are used so they just assume I guess…

I too agree that there is not a consensus. But there is a line where I will say, you're dead wrong. And, that someone who said GFE means BBFS is dead wrong. And the idea that because that's what you would get from a girlfriend reasoning makes little sense. In most cases, the first time you have sex with your girlfriend, it's protected sex. And, that usually goes on for some time. The exact amount of time varies. For some, that preference sticks until you breakup. For others, there comes a point when you cross into BBFS. There is no hard and fast rule that her being your girlfriend means you're getting BBFS.

Consensus means a general or widespread agreement among a group of people. It does not mean unanimous or universal agreement. consensus can still exist even if there are minor disagreements or reservations.
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I think it is pretty easy to establish that consensus exists for GFE. Just look at this thread. You said that GFE includes “Deep, passionate, lengthy kissing.” Hehits said it should include “DFK.” Paige said “it should include LFK, DFK.” I said it includes DFK. Eight posters have replied to this thread. Four of them provided a definition of GFE. All of them mention DFK. It doesn’t seem like we all have completely different takes on the term. It seems like we are generally describing the same thing with some minor differences. That looks like a consensus to me. On top of that, there are various websites that define industry terms and acronyms. Every definition of GFE I’ve seen said it includes DFK. This looks like consensus to me.  
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For PSE, consensus is less established but it still exists. Again look at this thread. QueenBia said “ If I had to break it down to one specific sexual act I would narrow it down to anal.” Paige said “ Whereas, PSE meant higher energy, more primal BBBJ, CFS, Covered Greek, CIM, COF, swallowing, rimming, etc.” HeHits said “in some cases, it means greek is included.” Finally you said “ usually includes dirty talking, CIM/swallow, anal, etc.” Again, we have had 8 accounts reply to this post. 5 of them actually provided a definition of PSE. All 5 of them mention anal sex. This also looks like consensus to me. That’s how I can say it.

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GFE means covered sex in Kgirl language! The opposite of GFE is BB! The only question is does BB equate to PSE? If a woman told me upfront that I would have to pay extra for DFK upfront, I would probably cancel.  I’ve seen plenty of pornstars, and their offerings seemed similar to non pornstars. To me a good session is always a pornstar experience, but never BB!

If you're talking at minimum, than perhaps there is some consensus with GFE. Because sure, it would be hard to find a reasonable amount of people that would argue that GFE doesn't include DFK. Anything else we mentioned there may be more debate. Though, I would still argue that based on your definition of consensus, which sounds like most, not all, there may be other things included. But if we are picking the most common one, sure DFK still wins. But once you get past the "at minimum" or "most common" labels, there is still variance. Many providers and clients believe BBBJ is included in GFE. I have read scores of reviews where clients criticize a provider for advertising GFE and not offering BBBJ. Agreeing on what GFE means is not about finding the one thing that most of us agrees with, especially if there are other aspects that we do not agree on.

I would think the overwhelming majority would say PSE can still exist WITHOUT anal. My example showed that and I noticed you didn’t push back on that at all.  
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No, one, single act defines PSE. It’s more a cumulative affect of differing activities coupled with a much more aggressive and  animalistic type encounter.

"GFE":
I  procure  sexually  enhanced  therapy,  within  a constructed  intimate  dreamscape;  flirting,  light  chat,  dfk,  physical  touch,  mutual  oral  and  covered  coitus  generally  encompasses  the  tryst.

If you've been offering anal for 20 years now I think you should have gotten higher scores here on TER & yes I personally think your tribute should be more.  

Offering anal doesn’t get you a higher score. It has to happen in the session. And, just because it happens doesn’t mean a provider gets a higher score. As a client, we’re still rating the quality of the service as a whole. Anal happening enables us to rate higher, but is by no means an automatic.

but I can't imagine any reviewer not giving an extra point if anal is offered and accepted. Here's what TER's review guidelines say about scoring:
"An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she performs one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are performed, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum. Remember, it’s your review; within these guidelines you still get to decide what her score should be. You do not have to give her the ‘extra point’."
The key phrase is "You do not have to give her the extra point." But, again, why wouldn't you? I guess perhaps if there was poop on your dick when you pulled out, showing her prep was deficient? Still, I have never NOT given the extra point for anal.

For those of you who remember T.V. game show The Newlywed Game and the answer a bride gave to Bob Eubanks question, "Where was the most unusual place you ever made love?"

I’m not adding a point for anal if the session is bad. That’s really the only reason. I include in the review that anal happened. No need to give a point if the quality of the session doesn’t warrant it.

I agree with you wholeheartedly and would do the same, but in this example he enjoyed the session immensely.  Which goes to show that it isn't an automatic 10 just because she did Greek while having a great time.

I agree - not just anal. There a countless numbers of reviews where there was  BBJ and DFK an even couple with a glowing narative on looks and session not seeing a 9 or 10 for looks and only a 7or 8 for performance .
That being said why should that anal be an  automatic plus one .

I have to admit, I'm struggling to codify my practice into either bucket. "Both" seems like a cop out.  

Your scoring really doesn't matter I think. The whole bit about the scoring system is that the points are allowed given the services engaged in, not required, which you also seem to agree with. I don't see why that aspect here always seems to be a controversial (and oft recurring) issue.

Many women offer both types of dates, pending the clients wishes, but I would say most are known for one over the other. From what I know about you, I think you would be better known as a more prototypical PSE provider, but that doesn't bar you from offering a GFE type date. If you do offer them, then "both" works perfectly fine for you!

You’re 100% a PSE provider. This by no means suggests you don’t also offer GFE sessions. PSE is inclusive of GFE services. Whether someone takes you up on the max services you offer or not doesn’t define what you provide.

Definitions change but I suspect most would disagree that GFE is some proper subset of PSE. I certainly seem them as overlapping in some regards but largely distinctly different types of sessions.

I have never seen a PSE provider that would say no to providing GFE services. I know plenty of GFE providers that won’t provide PSE services. BDSM is a whole different territory though. I know plenty of providers who do BDSM but not full services, and therefore not GFE. PSE is practically GFE + BDSM + More. And, most providers are open to tailoring whatever you want as long as it’s within their offerings.

I consider this combination to be elite services that require expertise. I have it labeled as a Backstage Pass because it can mean anal both ways. I bend you over & reciprocate. I love pegging! BDSM with a PSE twist.

There are no "true definitions". Your opinions are as meaningless as anyone else's.

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who you ask.  

Where you belong is sitting on my face, or even better, on my ATF's face. But that's a story for another day.

Please spoiler this 🤮

In my view,  GFE always has to include DFK, BBBJ, and DATY, otherwise its partial GFE.  IMO, the kissing doesnt have to be full on tongue, but even lip biting/sucking qualifies.  Some consider lip biting and sucking to only be LFK level, so theres some disagreement there.