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Re: I'm not sure that the client pool is growing...
bviboy 7 Reviews 3008 reads
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1 / 43

Do providers scope out when other high end/competing providers are going to be in a certain area so they schedule their visits accordingly?  You know.... supply and demand.

JackDunphy 1434 reads
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2 / 43

Do you really expect girls that charge $300/hour, $400/2 and $950/3 to have the wherewithal to look at what ALL the other hookers schedules are? You ask far too much of them my son

JohnyComeAlready 1892 reads
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3 / 43

a CEO? or a cock slot?

Posted By: JackDunphy
Do you really expect girls that charge $300/hour, $400/2 and $950/3 to have the wherewithal to look at what ALL the other hookers schedules are? You ask far too much of them my son.    
   
 
 
... if need be - I can handle my own math homework, Thanks!

Skinny_Minnie:-) 1857 reads
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4 / 43

A provider, high end/high demand/popular, etc. can only see so many guys in any given period.  So even if the best provider in the world is touring a city the same time we are, she may get booked solid quickly (good for her), but theres still the other 100 horny clients who want an appointment on any given day.  

Also, the best provider in the world may not be ideal for every client.  Maybe she's not physically everyone's type or in everyone's price range.

So, no, I don't think that just because an awesome provider is there, I wouldn't go.

However, it is good to scope out the provider ads in a market just to make sure that your rates are competitive.  Then again, not everyone has to compete strictly on price, yet we don't want to be grossly overpriced either.

-- Modified on 5/30/2014 1:51:21 PM

Duplicitouslust 24 Reviews 1208 reads
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5 / 43

The question to ask is when is the market going to be over saturated and if it is should I go elsewhere where I can get my price and the volume that I want to justify my expenses?  Also do I have the Marketing tools that will give me the demand that I seek so I can go to the most competitive markets and succeed? These are the questions that are needed to be asked when deciding to visit a certain city.

skarphedin 1194 reads
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6 / 43
skarphedin 1215 reads
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7 / 43

Posted By: JackDunphy
Do you really expect girls that charge $300/hour, $400/2 and $950/3 to have the wherewithal to look at what ALL the other hookers schedules are? You ask far too much of them my son.    
   
 
-- Modified on 5/30/2014 2:44:27 PM

MarkusKetterman 150 Reviews 1534 reads
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8 / 43

some are excellent at it - very admirable

many are okay but really do not understand market forces, and when things change they wind up on the tail end of developments

and others just plain suck -   but that is after all part of the job description :)

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1238 reads
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9 / 43

Minnie pretty much covered it. I'll skim other ads to see who's charging what and all that, but the vast majority if us don't really look at each other as "competition" per se. That's the nice thing about this business: everyone's individual looks/personalities/rates/policies are going to set them apart from other ladies in the region.  

Though that could all very well change during the upcoming slow season. Summer is brutal.

sympathyforthedevil 55 Reviews 1556 reads
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10 / 43

pretty simple. If the phone isn't ringing you adjust. I've seen ladies go from $500 to $300 in one day many times. My favorite the other day was $1000/hr, $1100/2 hr, $1300/3hr

russbbj 89 Reviews 1780 reads
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11 / 43

I did not know that. I wonder why that is? I for one am just as horney in the Summer, if not more because women are walking around dressed in next to nothing. Damn, I love Summer. The female body is a fucking masterpiece.

Hieronymus 1531 reads
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12 / 43

When times are good the smart ladies need to "sock-it-away" to cover the lean times. Easier said than done, though. And further, save for the future (i.e. retirement).  You don't want to be spending everything you make. I spend a good portion of my professional life assisting people identify and monetize the cost of their future desires and needs. It's particularly painful to see middle-aged adults trying to scale back their desires and playing "catch up." Much easier to do earlier in life when you've got time to make adjustments to your savings habits and lifestyle. The solution is always to start saving early and often. Unless of course you can count on a windfall (inheritance).  

Toby, does this mean we can expect a "summer sale" on your services? Be careful not to damage the perceived value of your services by giving it away. I know that you seek to identify a price at the equilibrium of superior experience and upscale demand. Your time is valuable and your services desired, but it may not always be this way. Make it while you can, but be sure to save.
Posted By: bviboy
Do providers scope out when other high end/competing providers are going to be in a certain area so they schedule their visits accordingly?  You know.... supply and demand.

sympathyforthedevil 55 Reviews 1262 reads
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13 / 43

I agree with that at least for my routine but it seems most guys think that is high time. Not for me!

Posted By: Tobi Telford
Minnie pretty much covered it. I'll skim other ads to see who's charging what and all that, but the vast majority if us don't really look at each other as "competition" per se. That's the nice thing about this business: everyone's individual looks/personalities/rates/policies are going to set them apart from other ladies in the region.  
   
 Though that could all very well change during the upcoming slow season. Summer is brutal.

Gemma Coreana See my TER Reviews 1305 reads
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14 / 43

Who has time to be following someone else, I barely have time to see my friends, get travel arrangements in order, book appts/hotels/plan tours... Etc....

WickedBrut 27 Reviews 1034 reads
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15 / 43

...the larger the client pool will grow. The clients just know that they can always choose from a wide variety, and will see a greater number of providers in the upcoming months.

I would think it's like knowing an intersection where there's a gas station on every corner. When the tank's near empty, that's the corner I tend to head towards.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1311 reads
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16 / 43

My theory is that it has to do with kids being out of school, people taking family vacations, stuff like that. August is particularly brutal.  

Posted By: russbbj
I did not know that. I wonder why that is? I for one am just as horney in the Summer, if not more because women are walking around dressed in next to nothing. Damn, I love Summer. The female body is a fucking masterpiece.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1643 reads
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17 / 43

Posted By: Hieronymus
Toby, does this mean we can expect a "summer sale" on your services? Be careful not to damage the perceived value of your services by giving it away. I know that you seek to identify a price at the equilibrium of superior experience and upscale demand. Your time is valuable and your services desired, but it may not always be this way. Make it while you can, but be sure to save.
What? Who said anything about "giving it away?" I don't put my pussy on clearance just because it's summer. Specials are not my bag.

2labman 26 Reviews 1072 reads
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18 / 43

You'll find at least one happy client!  I don't care what season it is.

russbbj 89 Reviews 1471 reads
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19 / 43

Sometimes I forget that I'm the different one, no kids, divorced. So I do what I want,  when I want,  with who I want.

Posted By: Tobi Telford
My theory is that it has to do with kids being out of school, people taking family vacations, stuff like that. August is particularly brutal.  
   
Posted By: russbbj
I did not know that. I wonder why that is? I for one am just as horney in the Summer, if not more because women are walking around dressed in next to nothing. Damn, I love Summer. The female body is a fucking masterpiece.

2labman 26 Reviews 1447 reads
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20 / 43

Older guys drop out, but are younger ones replacing them?  Not counting Hound, of course.  Or is all the free stuff out there too easy to get for the young guys?  Would be interesting to see a long term study on the demographics of clients.  A study that doesn't service someone's political agenda would be unusual, though.

Warning:  could be total bullshit ahead...

My gut impression is that providers are entering the trade at a greater rate proportionally than clients are.  For upper end ladies, this isn't a problem, but for those trying to work their way up, it may be a difficult, competitive climb.

With absolutely nothing to go by but anecdotal information, I get the impression that many mid-level ladies are not making what they would like to because of lack of business.  Maybe limited marketing opportunities, maybe organizational skills, maybe "stiff" competition, don't know, but a fairly good proportion of the ladies that I've seen don't seem to have a lot of financial reserves and are hungry for safe, reliable clients.
I pretty much stopped doing reviews, so don't try to associate this with any of the ladies that I have reviewed.

russbbj 89 Reviews 1398 reads
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21 / 43

I must plan my trip to the Bourbon Trail (Kentucky) for August and come see you, before, after or both. You see I'm such a drunk (I'm the Drunken Nerd) that I plan a vacation to go see where my Bourbon is made. That's simply the closest I'll be to your city any time soon. And because of your age maximum I can't wait too many more years.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1325 reads
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22 / 43

An agency I went through did this, as did a lot of ladies who made big bucks.

They tend to flock when there are conferences going on as well.

GoGoGretchen 1152 reads
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23 / 43

I have never had that mentality about "competition."  

This is what I believe about this business :  

1. Many clients see more than one provider, more than one time.  If every client only booked one appointment with one provider ; that would be an ugly scene !!!  But, a client might book with me and several other ladies, maybe repeatedly with us.  I see no reason to eliminate the competition, when I am not on the losing end of this scenario.  I would rather do doubles with "my competition" !!!

2. Clients have their own turn on's and turn off's.  I have long straight red hair.  I am 25 years old.  I wear a 36C bra.  I never go to the tanning salon.  What if that turns him off ?  What if he is into tall tan blondes, not my body type ?  You never know what will make a client pick your ad.  One time, I had a football fanatic choose my ad because I was wearing a cheerleader costume in my photo.  In real life, I never watch sports.  I hate sports.  I know nothing about sports.  But, I was his "cup of tea" that day !!!  There is no way of estimating how the "axis competition" will turn out that day.  Sexual preference is very subjective + You cannot estimate how it is gonna spin out + It is pointless to imagine "competition" when there might not be any going on.

Duplicitouslust 24 Reviews 1282 reads
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24 / 43

Keep in mind that due to other venues in cyberspace(I.E BP,CV and other sites) the market is already smaller. Henceforth now it is a smaller range of guys who are viable to see girls. Then take those who would be able to be verified and it is considerably smaller. Thus now you have a small core of potential hobbyist who would be viable for women on this tier to see. That is a case in point and something to consider since the majority of marketing and advertising is done in cyberspace.

wrps07 1377 reads
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25 / 43

If you do the math the baby boomers are starting the die off. The next generation is not as affluent. Not as many players in the younger generations.

BigBoyPants 5 Reviews 904 reads
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26 / 43

The explosion of absolute bullshit via an expanding internet industry that most of the new/entering/mid-level providers employ utilizing any and all means necessary to lure clients in is responsible.

I'm older and learned many a lesson playing these games for 3 decades.

The amount of deception and falsification coupled with wisdom taught me to screen carefully and be selective in the women I see.

The amount of drek with false pictures and bait and switching practically forces we hobbyists to be selective and I would be more than willing to bet that THAT is a market force in why they have a hard time finding business.

I peruse the usual sites and when I see pictures and ads 9 out of 10 times I go "Nope,  not real" and move on.

So maybe it is a little self inflicted on the industry.  When I see pictures that you can tell are real and are possibly not the type of woman I want to see I say "Good for you and I hope you are successful"  When I google image search and find the real models name it's seeya

89Springer 1091 reads
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27 / 43

to see how the historically high unemployment rates, especially amongst college students and graduates, affects the disposable income of those people when they're in their 30's. They're getting a later start, and so may have less money to throw at things like P4P.

I wonder, too, how many providers are in the business now because of the unemployment problem, or at least in it because it offers a better-paying alternative to the reduced number of good jobs available

WickedBrut 27 Reviews 1047 reads
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28 / 43

No real stats. And by young, we have to start counting mid-to-late 20's, I'd guess. The recession had an impact. I think the major sin cities will become more active. It's just a different view of the market.

Are there too many casinos in Vegas? Maybe these days there are. But for decades that was where the gambling was, so that's where everyone went to gamble. More casinos only made it more of an attraction, more popular.

Minnesota has cold winters. There are some great legitimate theaters in Minneapolis. Too many? All starving because they're competing with each other? No, not really. People go to a play when it's too cold to do much outside, and they like the experience, so they check out another theater, and on and on. The Twin Cities area is one of the greatest markets for legit theater in the country.

One logic tells us that every new face threatens competition. The other logic poses that more providers in a metropolitan area draws/creates more clients, more interest. It's not something any one provider or agency can create or manipulate, but it happens. We see it all over the country--Nashville and Country Music, New Orleans and jazz--I'm trying to point to crafts that are slightly anachronistic. Legit theater, Country, jazz, blues, ballet and modern dance--by normal supply-demand standards, tech should have put all that old stuff out of business years ago.

Will hookers become an outmoded "service" like tram stables? Or will it come to be viewed as an art struggling to survive? If the latter, the more new blood, the more activity.

If I were to bet, I'd put money on increased tolerance and reduced stigma turning it into an art form sooner than it fading away amid a flurry of dildo sales and a revival of old-fashioned monogamous marriages. I've got no facts or figures to back that up, but to sound the alarm because of too many new working girls coming to town seems a little wrong to me. That's all.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1417 reads
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29 / 43

You must have a weekly quota or something because DAMN.  

Posted By: 2labman
You'll find at least one happy client!  I don't care what season it is.

1000+1000 4 Reviews 1132 reads
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30 / 43

Supply and demand might only apply at certain rates not on high rate where your logic does not make sense.

AnotherDonJohn 1093 reads
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31 / 43

And sometimes he'll drive his classic mustang from time to time
Do You get where I'm going with this...?

Posted By: bviboy
Do providers scope out when other high end/competing providers are going to be in a certain area so they schedule their visits accordingly?  You know.... supply and demand.

JohnyComeAlready 1294 reads
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32 / 43

Drop her age limit, don't you mean raise?

 
Age limits work much the same as speed limits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit

2labman 26 Reviews 921 reads
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33 / 43

Not sure the analogies are valid because of two things:  easy free sex for younger clients and having to make the leap into an illegal activity.  Assuming that easy free sex reduces the number of potential entrants into the client pool and the percentage willing to risk the illegal activity of the hobby remains the same (although the initially perceived risk is wildly exaggerated if the hobbyist is careful), then the relative number of entering hobbyists would be lower.

Next, my gut and limited sample says that many of the new entering providers are doing so because they can't make ends meet with the available regular jobs.  Some are in it only until things improve and they can get a better job.  This may have always been so, however.

I'm not sure that provider concentrations make a "hobbying destination" out of cities like Las Vegas, Atlanta, etc. or if they increase the entering client pool.

I do agree that we will probably see a decreasing stigma (it's happening already) that will continue into legalization in some places.  This may create "hobbying destinations".  The Nevada model isn't widespread enough for a real beta test, IMO.

I'm not trying to sound any alarms, just making some relatively unfounded observations.

AnotherDonJohn 1306 reads
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34 / 43

Presuming they're not all hot air...

Speaking for myself, I stopping mentioning whenever I'm interested on the board...I realize that it's a waste of time, ESP with a non local ... I either have to get off my ass and go there, wait for her to tour, or stfu.
If a lady is in your town and won't see you (which actually only happened once to me when I just started with a basic plus five p411 provider), then you just have to deal.

Btw, TT, regarding your summer slowdown comment, I'd add that this weekend has the largest doctors convention of the year in Chicago... Lots of guys who are "bored"- with SOs , with their jobs; are in hotels paid for by work; and have money to burn...I'm sure the Chi town ladies know this but you might not. Until Tuesday.  
Posted By: Tobi Telford
You must have a weekly quota or something because DAMN.  
   
Posted By: 2labman
You'll find at least one happy client!  I don't care what season it is.

GaGambler 1302 reads
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35 / 43

Constant "sucking up" to providers here is simply not "sexy", not even to the women themselves. Come on labboy, quit groveling, it's really quite unbecoming.

This is also the reason that Tobi is on "both" my lists. You've got to love an active hooker with the stones to tell a hobbyist she is not interested in to "take a hike" Yes, she is a biatch, and I wouldn't mind having a drink, or even ten with her.

Cevap 1299 reads
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36 / 43

Obviously one more time. Maybe he thinks one time you'll mess up and say yes.

Posted By: Tobi Telford
You must have a weekly quota or something because DAMN.  
   
Posted By: 2labman
You'll find at least one happy client!  I don't care what season it is.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1681 reads
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37 / 43

GaG and I are officially bros.  

Posted By: GaGambler
Constant "sucking up" to providers here is simply not "sexy", not even to the women themselves. Come on labboy, quit groveling, it's really quite unbecoming.

This is also the reason that Tobi is on "both" my lists. You've got to love an active hooker with the stones to tell a hobbyist she is not interested in to "take a hike" Yes, she is a biatch, and I wouldn't mind having a drink, or even ten with her.

Tobi Telford See my TER Reviews 1106 reads
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38 / 43

But you're right, "raise" would be the correct word in this context.

-- Modified on 5/31/2014 11:01:25 AM

GaGambler 1360 reads
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39 / 43

You are officially one of my favorite "biatches" lol

and as of next year I will be officially too old for you to fuck, but that doesn't mean that I will be too old to get drunk with:)

GaGambler 1736 reads
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40 / 43

and won't be for some time to come. The youngest baby boomers are barely fifty, and will be an economic factor for many years to come.

If you want to be technical, all generations are dying off, whether it be Baby Boomers, Generation X or Y or any other generation as you can't make more of them, so with every single death you can claim they are "dying off"

2labman 26 Reviews 1317 reads
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41 / 43

up to about 1964, the youngest of them is 50, the oldest of them 68.  I would argue that the older ones are starting to leave the client population, through death or reduced sexual activity.

GaGambler 1363 reads
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42 / 43

Once upon a time it was a rarity to see a sexually active septuagenarian, now it's commonplace, with even a lot of active octogenarians right here on TER.

and since we still have most of the money, we are gong to be a major economical force in the hobby, and elsewhere for quite some time to come.

MarkusKetterman 150 Reviews 1207 reads
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43 / 43

faithful Lamborghini Murcielago LP-640 and I still drive my 4x4 and my grocery getter as well -  you can appreciate different things, different styles, different providers all at the same time....

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