P411 gives a free six month trial for clients who have reviews who never used the site. I don't think Date Check does that. That's why I am on P411.

and I am not hiding behind an alias to bash someone. Not to mention "ripoff report" is about as reliable as the NBL where is comes to posting lies about legitimate businesses.

They contacted three providers who I saw and they oked me. That gave me a free six month membership.  

p411 did not have a lifetime membership option like date-check. If this is true date-check is much cheaper over the long run.

You are the prostitute who whined about this on the FCKTER Twitter account today.

You know how to reach me if you care to know...

...Gina wants us to put a link on our appointment forms.  I already have their logo on my home page, and I have a place for P411 gentlemen to enter their id on my form.

You can get on both sites, with provider member okays. No screening necessary.

I have been hobbying for quite awhile now, so maybe my 2 cents adds to the pro side of 411. I preface this by saying that I haven't yet tried Date-Check. Before when I was just using TER and would try to arrange a meeting with a potential provider I would run into a lot of problems, sending reference info, follow up emails like "what number/name will she remember you by" etc. Since joining P411, I haven't had to send so much as a phone number and have had no trouble scheduling and making appointments.  I'm sure they will upgrade some of the user criteria and a little more than an "okay" will be optional, but it has made my hobbying much easier than compared to the TER alone model: Whitelisting, sending reference info, PMs etc. P411 is good to go in my book. Maybe it's just a personal thing that has the poster of this thread a little sour. But I hope the two of you can get it resolved.

But I feel this move is strong arming the ladies to push P411 more on our websites whether we like it or not.

I will never rely on some shebitch's site for my screening, as it seems she does not really screen but is all about collecting personal info on the ladies.  

Credible than assholias. I have heard nothing but good things about p411 and I have referred a number of new providers there. Should I stop doing that?  I think date check sucks. I am a lifetime member there, only because someone told me it was a good site and their lifetime membership was cheap. Since joining I have found it useless and I have never actually used it. P411 on the other hand has been a great site. If there is something weird going on, we should know about it, but not from some alias with zero credibility.

Have a lifetime membership but you have to have been a member in good standing for a certain amount of time before they offer it to you. It is also a lot pricier than date-check. But date-check still sucks donkey balls.

So that's what they are getting. Some ladies want more and they are free to ask for more as Kelly does. Gina actually recommends that providers do not rely solely on P411.

I bailed when she allowed a guy to remain after he forced BBFS and tried to choke out someone I know. She reported him but she got dissed and he still remains. I will not support any site that pretends to protect the ladies but then does shit like that.

Now I do understand that just like TER this is partly a regional issue, but Date-Check is completely worthless where I live and I most likely wouldn't join for free. Of course in all fairness, TER is hardly the dominant board in my current area (Texas) and if it were not for the fact that I have so many friends (and enemies) here, and if I were a newbie looking to join a review board, TER would most likely not be my first choice if I were joining strictly for the reviews

My reply wasn't to you.

Well it doesn't it seems, just a couple of hooker references. I can get those..."yeah I saw him" bullshit references too.  

It has to be from providers who are on p411. Not just some fake provider with a "web presense." For a provider to get on p411, she has to have 3 reviews, or be referred by a member in good standing.  

And maybe Assholias doesn't want any backlash from run and tell it types. Check and see how many ladies have their websites on their profiles on P411 right now...

Any provider with half a brain who wanted to know could easily go through the steps of signing up as a client to see what was required. Not to mention it has been discussed here on TER a thousand times.

So you are admittedly just trying to slander Gina just to spark a conversation on a cesspool board. My aren't you a sweetheart

and never plan on doing so.

"6) Date-Check allows us to "rate" our experience with a client instead of just a generic okay. "

and the guys are good to go? And that is how they screen? You placed ALL in caps...does that mean they do on clients that have no references? Then how the heck does it help a hooker with screening?  

They get real info OR they get 2 okays from P411 providers. Like I said, try creating an account as a client and see for yourself.  
And what do you mean "That is how how they screen?" Like it's a bad thing? That is how MOST providers screen. If you want more do your own thing (which obviously you do). P411 tells their providers to do additional screening.

Actually Gina forces us to ok guys as long as we saw them, they are allowed to short us, be rough with us, and attempt BBFS and still get an ok as per Gina's policy.

If you think TER is a cesspool, Gina is a cunt, and P 411 is a place you don't want anything to do with, then why not use your real fake name?

No bitch is going to force me to okay a trick that was rough so another hooker has to deal with that.  

If p411 tells the providers to do their own additional screening, why would a client need a p411 account?

I know providers who have contacted Gina to remove Oks cause they were telling other providers they did BBFS and Gina removed the OK

Her legal troubles span the US and Canada.

Gina will not remove an ok, and she will remove you from her site if you do not comply.  The only way she will remove an Ok is if you claim you have not seen the guy.  It can be years ago and you are still told to give the current ok.  You can tell Gina that a guy shorted you, or did numerous other things and she still insists on you oking them.  So what you are saying is incorrect.  You are NOT a provider so you have no idea aside from second hand information that you can't know for 100% if it is true.  I am telling you my experience.  You as a member would have no idea about this because she only gets all over our butts about stuff.  I already pulled my P411, do not care for that site and no longer accept it

I have refused several requests  for an okay and I have declined, with no backlash from P411.  You can definitely decline a request.

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she only allowed me to decline guests I had never seen.  When I told her that it had been to long ago(YEARS) I could not give an ok, she told me that as long as I had visited I was required to give the ok.  Another time I was shorted, told I still had to give the ok same as another mentioned and that it was my fault for not counting the $.  Another asked repetitively for BBFS, I told her I did not want to furnish an ok because of that and she said that as long as I saw him I was required to give the Ok.  Those are her words to me.  Have heard much worse but of course that was word of mouth

And he is sweet and one of the nice guys here.  

That is my experience with her, she has also backed me on several other occasions, including collecting a cancelation fee.  I deal a lot with P411, and up until now, have never had a problem with them.  What she is doing now, I don't agree with, but her site.  I don't agree with a lot of TER policy, but not my site.  It is, what it is. We have the option to leave or the option to stay

do business so I walked away from it....  Not worth it for me.  Perhaps if she changes things I might be back but there would have to be alot of changes for me too....  I just do not and have not trusted the site for a while.  

1. Ohhh and we have to pay $10 to have our site reviewed.  

I will go on the sites I want and book with who I want, when I want.
Most ladies are on many.
I certainly do not care which one they are on when making my date decision.  
They do not seem to care which site I am on when requesting a date

I suppose I should do it for real.

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Are you saying that none of the women you see from p411 never ask you for additional references on top of your p411 okays?

... but it's a nicer way of saying GFY

Thanks for the support, it's been a rough few days.

I find it amusing about how much difficulty so many mongers have in scheduling P4P dates, I can usually find what I want in a few short minutes and I have very little problems searching in the morning for an afternoon date. It's downright laughable about how many problems other guys seem to have.

The gals that have given me OK's are a ready source of additional reference by phone, email, text whatever. I NEVER have ladies ask for added references. Do they contact ladies on my OK list without telling me? Sure. All the time. Its just invisible to me.

Contacting the provider and providing a few references. That is when I feel like doing so.

Its rare I see someone who's not on P411. Joining P411 about 4 or 5 years ago was the best decision I ever made in this 'world.' While I can't opine from the ladies POV I'll say from my POV, keep up the good work as well! Thanks.

... in fact, I had some very positive experiences with p411 which let me find who I wanted in my area and I guess at least in my case it worked so well that I don't need it anymore.  But if I do, based on my experience, I'd go back.  

I'll stand up for coop any time... not that he needs me to.

P411 is the best.  If you don't like it, do us a favor and leave.

I AM CHEAP, and don't want to pay for membership fees in order to buy a service from a third party vendor. I would only be a customer of ANY SITE if my membership costs are waived.  

You don't have to insult someone to take up for a lady! But it's SOOOO you!

I really don't like friction between us hookers but you seem toxic as hell.

Hell, he can't even put words in his own mouth!  What a knuckle-dragger. LULZ!

If you ladies indeed have legitimate issues with Gina, you picked a horrible spokeswoman to try to enlist the support of the guys. She is a complete unknown to us, she is an admitted TER hater, yet she comes on here asking for our support after insulting the forum she is posting on.

Fast and easy for me and the provider as well.  Just a few words and even fewer clicks and screening is done.  I can even pre-book with a few more clicks.  

You are a liar, I just reread every post you have made on this thread and never once did you state that you were afraid of "real life" retribution, and if you will lie about that I have to assume you will lie about other things too.

keep it up girl!!

i dont always agree with everything that you do or say, but who the heck on earth does...

Sellers of any service must market their wares to buyers in the most advantageous way.  Looking at this thread, the buyers seem to all be P411 advocates (as am I).  If we can extrapolate that the 6 or 8 buyers on this thread are representative of the market as a whole, then in the long run, sellers will be more successful if they use P411, than if they don't.

Why I'm no longer a part of that gravy train. Proves my point.  

ummmmmmm ter makes us have a logo on our homepage too.

This isn't the first time, this particular hooker has complained about P411, I've seen it other places as well. Same language.

Rescreening is fine -- you should absolutely make yourself comfortable.  But as far as my work goes, P411 makes it easier.  Very few ladies ask me for more than I offer, which is whitelists and P411 OKs.  For those that ask, I provide it promptly if I think it is reasonable.  

i had a request sitting there waiting for me for months.
its actually someone that both angelina and i have seen.
i didn't like a way that he said something, so i ignored it.
him and i have since spoken about it.

no, this is not martin..

Just because P411 puts a screamingly obvious disclaimer saying they are not claiming to be the only way to screen does not mean the service has no value.  You can choose to accept P411 as your only screening, or add to it as you see fit.  What's so complicated about this?
If I were you I would NOT accept P411 is your sole screening. Because you are so damn dumb you need some extra insurance.  Sheesh!

seriously..

you know that people share ids too, right?
i mean. when i was 19 i had a 21 year olds id...
the bombers.. pretty sure it wasn't their passport..
you know... never mind.

That must hurt.  A lot.  Sorry.

BSC much?  Off your meds much?  Will someone please hose this ho down with some Lithium?

im not quite sure how you can come to the conclusion that I'm so damn dumb.

and i sure as heck am not taking about having a penis in it...

youre not me.  

are you on crack tonite?
Hope not (see the thread above)

Date check only required two references for me to join and no real ID or work information or any form of proof of identity. P411 required multiple references from established providers.  P411 screened more than date check.  

You saw me without additional screen as far as I recall...

Posted By: Alyssa Marie

seriously..  
   
 this pretty much sums it up.  
 xx

"the stupidest person on TER."  Have you read any of YOUR own posts?  I have..........and believe me........looking in the mirror just may shock you!  That is..........if you have even a remotely objective bone in your body.

Anyone can simply search previous posts on the GENERAL DISCUSSION board and see what I mean.

talk about standing up for oneself and articulately stating the counterpoint..........WITH supporting details.

I have found P411 to be a wonderful benefit to my participation in this world.  I virtually have not seen anyone who is not on P411 in the last few years, because it is so much easier to use it than to attempt to recreate the wheel for verification.

The same 2 references for both sites.

One of them they didn't take. Worked for DC. I really didn't like DC at all. There was less the 20 ladies, of which 2 I knew were retired. One no longer lived or worked in Utah, 7 or legit ladies, a few you couldn't pay me to see based on reputation and the rest unknowns. There ladies as a group failed my screening. The site was awkward to say the least, and given ladies failing my screening had access to my profile I left that site after a month.  

Or she did not get back to them (which would make her an inactive member). Otherwise two provider okays would have been sufficient.
I joined both sites at the same time, because I was told they both were good, and it is good to belong to more than one. I paid DC for the lifetime membership because it was reasonable compared to their one year membership. However, I found that DC sucks. I have never used it a single time to meet someone. If I was doing it over I would join P411 only, but I already paid DC for lifetime so I guess I'm a member until I die. Anyway, it was reasonably priced but a waste of money. I don't like date-check for the same reasons you stated. The site is cluttered with ads and crap, and not user friendly. There are really no worthwhile women listed in my area. There are women listed that retired or moved years ago, and I don't like the idea that if Ibam logged on everyone knows I am logged on, and that anybody can check my profile. I have also had providers that I would never consider seeing look at my profile.

Been in the "hobby" for years-P-411 is
the best service I have ever used.
I have had never had a problem removing outdated OKs.
For example, some of my favorites have retired-assume they
would prefer NOT to appear om P-411 any more.

I wonder which one it was?  There certainly have been several, as lil' Vegan has dropped some really stinky turds on this site of late, for which I (and many others) have dumped on him.
So, nice work getting that off your chest lil' fella.
Feel better now?
LULZ !!

That's no picnic, let me tell you.

But they were quality and current. Of the three references I used to join both one was a member of both at the time, the other two had tons of reviews one joined P411 and the other didn't. Date Check apparently took the word of the one lady as the other lady claims she never heard from them. P411 verified and checked my all references, DC not so much, they checked one out of two at least if the lady told me the truth about no contact.

Minus the member reference, those stipulations make it hard for a lady to remain UTR, or maintain a no review policy and use p411 as a verification tool.

Fat guys make great Husbands!

You have plenty of words in your mouth already. Again hunh? What are you talking about?

Did you stay up all night?

I know several guys who were employment screened by P411.  They all told me that they gave P411 their direct line so they vouched for themselves.  Yep, that is very thorough screening right there.  LOL

I guess she wasn't thanking me in this thread either.

And she thinks she has a new bud! :-/

Thus showing the cops (I have no doubt this is why it is being collected) and not because anyone really cares about age, exactly who you are with PROOF you are advertising hooker services(they will go check the profile each hooker fills out). And if a lady has her face blurred out she MUST show her unblurred images with that info and that is kept on record.  

I'm speaking from MY POV not the bitter angry man hating POV that some here display. I really couldn't care less what they think.

you would care to engage in a war of words with me..........especially since your arsenal is just about bankrupt.

Wait a minute, are you seriously complaining about spending $20 to post a touring ad for which you will charge hundreds of dollars for each appointment that you get???

When I got re-involved with this community in late 2014 I joined P411 because all of my old escort friends were retired and I had zero active references.  I felt that she screened me very well, including employment verification. This was after we spoke and we both figured out that we were acquainted already because of my (and her) earlier active participation at another early adult site about 10-15 years ago, where I had been a moderator and she had also been involved. Anyway, even after she confirmed my real name and also confirmed that she knew (about) me from years earlier, she still verified my employment... so I think she did a good job without bending over backwards for me. Naturally, this does not mean that she treats you or other ladies well or appropriately (or poorly), but it does mean that she is doing as she says and effectively screening new potential clients without proper reviews. Frankly, I have been impressed by the way she runs the part of her business that I have seen.  (But, I did have a provider friend of mine tell me that she s required to give okays to clients who she would prefer not to.)

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...tell us how you REALLY feel!  

I believe you and for the most part, I agree with you.  Gina can be disrespectful and at times blatantly shitty.  A simple google search with her name and 411 brings up countless similar experiences.   I give her props for her successful ventures but have never bought into the P411 hype.  IMO It's nothing more than an "illusion" of "provider protection / screening" foolishly over-rated by naive providers who then insist the hobbyists join to get into their pants.  The men of course will do what it takes to make that task easier.   The cycle goes on and on.  I've had several members of LE as regulars throughout the last 7 years and every single one of them had a p411 membership.   The site is listed on the FBI's own website for pete's sake.