It was just pointed out to me (and a I checked...because I try and not just believe things that are told to me) that in the review profiles performance ratings are now VIP only.

Hmmm....Ok, I get it the economy is bad subscriptions are probably down  so the site needs to sweeten the value of VIP...or make non-VIP rather useless...I get it and I don't begrudge them making money or making non-VIP less useful to enhance the value of VIP.  
It's good business and I respect that.

Here is my question though:

Why make performance the VIP only attribute?
Why not make both Appearance and Performance both VIP Only?

Essentially you have given a preference to ladies with higher appearance scores.  If the only rating that is seen by the majority of members (and let's be honest in this economy some will give in a pay for the VIP with this new VIP Only attribute...but most can't or won't) then the appearance rating will be the one many members make their choices by.

If I don't have VIP and can't justify spending the extra $20/month  or $180/year  then I see contact information and appearance information...I look at the review profile page and a I see one attribute my decision will be made by that...funny thing the appearance score is already mildly reflected in the description portion of the profile.

Why not make both attributes VIP Only, instead of de facto giving an advantage to ladies that score better in appearance?

Making one of those attributes hidden is a  detriment to a number of ladies with good appearance scores but fantastic performance scores so that they end up looking less in their profiles than say a lady with great appearance but so-so performance.

If the scores have to be hidden to get more folks to jump at VIP why not make them both hidden?  That way "you" (the site) isn't giving a preference or advantage to some ladies to the detriment of others.

...complaining about what you're not getting for free rather than breaking down and paying for VIP.

If you eliminate one hobby visit a year, that will more than pay for a year's VIP. Here's another tip: Around Christmas, TER offers four months, rather than three, for $50.  Or you can get a whole year for $150.

Look, everyone has their own peccadillos. I will drive around for 15 minutes looking for a parking space (and then walk three blocks) so I won't pay for a parking lot, even though I probably spend more burning gas than the parking lot would have cost me.

Not everyone has unlimited disposable income and most guys work hard for their money but if you're using TER, then you're not seeing street-walking crack hoes.  If you can't afford VIP, you shouldn't be seeing TER providers.  Go find the ones you can afford.

Appearance is primarily discerned by viewing pics on the lady's website.  If the appearance numbers are consistent, it's a secondary confirmation.  If they are all over the amp, it hints at old pics, B&S, or other issues that are red flags.

Performance numbers are more pertinent...consistent high numbers are a big green flag.  This is valuable information, and TER has apparently made the decision that it is proprietary.  Their decision, and I understand why.  Not that it's an issue for me personally...I have been VIP since I was a newbie, and IMO it is the only way to go if you want to play this game right.  That applies to providers as well...the more info and intel we all have, the better!

Webbie, wasn't complaining about her not being able to be VIP as a disadvantage to her.

She was making a statement about how only making the performance and not the appearance rates visible is a disadvantage to some of the ladies.

If you read what she wrote she even made a suggestion of making both the appearance and Performance scores hidden for VIP only to make it more far for all the girls.

Always,
Karrie-

...a woman. I wouldn't have used the 'B' word.

should have to suffer while the 8-10's with shitty performance numbers  profit when the non vip members are choosing a companion?Despite their number of reviews etc..Does that sound fair to you?
I agree with WT that if ratings are going to be VIP only do both.

The one piece of information I really need isn't in any checkbox, or summary or review.
The only piece of information I need to know is if a lady will see female clients (not couples, not do doubles with a friend of hers...but see a female client that she probably will not find physically attractive).

Actually I have always thought the performance scores are rather useless since the ratings are negatively weighted...
based on offered services.  Since BBBJ, Anal, Two girls, two guys, etc.  mean nothing to me...and I like LFK but not DFK...and DATY is good, but I need to know if she gives and receives.

With the negatively weighted scores the most a lady I would want to see could receive is an 8 (For DATY...receiving only) but what if I want a lady with 10 performance in that limited menu...well I can't tell a lady that gives a 10 performance but it gets weighted down to an 8 or  a lady that gives an 8 performance as the score is the same...so, number useless to me.

I just think, if you are going to hide one, you should hide them both.  

ask anyone that knows me; I am a bitch. *grin*

not in the "whiny" bitch sense but more in the "evil" bitch sense.  *grin again*

Other than contact information, the only "attributes" seen by non-VIP is appearance both the break down stat area and the appearance number.

So, even without perhaps intending it, by that being the only information that is available to some (Oh, and should those some buy VIP? of course they should I have been telling guys for years to pay for VIP if $20 a month can save them $$$ or more by helping them make an informed decision) they are giving those with the higher appearance scores preferential treatment to some extent.  

If the only thing some can see is the appearance numbers and breakdown then those some will make their decision based on that only...which gives an advantage to those with the higher scores.  

Even if a prospective client looks at a lady's site and likes how she looks seeing a bunch of 7's as the only info he can see can make him think again...and even if he personally doesn't think a lady a 10 from her photos, seeing s a string of 10's can influence him to see her...it's a psychological thing...it ain't right but it is.

this will trigger more fake reviews. I would stop offering vip access for reviews and make everyone pay.

Smart hobbyists don't take others word regarding appearance...we check out your website, and look at your pics.  In your case, it tool me about less than a minute to see that you are quite attractive, and if you were based in or traveled to NYC, I might take the time to check out your reviews, with an eye on the performance ratings and narratives. in the process of considering meeting with you.  That's all.

I won't comment further on TER policy.  If there is disagreement with that, best to take it with them.

why is everyone talking about what is "fair" and what is "right" unless it's your site you can't really complain they can do whatever they want.

give out VIP days for writing reviews.

That would help reduce the # of fake reviews, and might improve the quality of the reviews.

Maybe these board wouldn't be the same without the non-payers, but it probably make the whole place more upscale. Only guys who can afford 240 a year to have a better experience.

Why is anything free here at this point?

TC

... is to encourage frequent hobbying, it would seem.

Dunno why they'd care, though

Use to be if a fellow reviewed two girls within a ? 6month period or something like that .. he'd get VIP for free.  

I see so many men who say they found me on TER or read my reviews on TER and add "BUT I NEVER review..I'm not the type".. or " I like to remain private so I don't review".... If a fellow sees me based on reviews he should give me a review, in my humble opinion.... Maybe TER is trying to get men to post reviews...

In the search area a person can continue to do searches for combined average so I don't see how much difference one of the other makes being hidden.
Most of the women I've looked at their ratings..the looks and the performance are always fairly close in number.  Have you ever seen a looks 2 and a performance 10?  or vice versa?

is go to my website and look at me or any other woman to determine there appearance....lol...so where's the advantage...I've tried to also put my personality into my website...however I do realize You guys have to get the opionion of your fellow brothers...I personally don't care what they decide is VIP..and I can't believe the other woman care...so why are You so concerned about who is getting an advantage....lol...the reality is...no one is...just look at the websites

I think that is a valid concern.  If you get 'credit' for a review you will see some more fake reviews.  It may be best to make it completely pay.

However pay for reviews will have other consequences.  It will tilt the bias towards much more of the upscale women / mongers.  

Ultimatetly though if people don't like it they don't have to stay here.  There is no right to be able to find the best prostitute in your area.  TER is a great resource for that but there are other options around.

changes that can have an impact on their livelihood.
Many of us have been here  for a long time working our butts off building our reputations and supporting TER.
And being a paying member makes it even worse,now alot of us are paying for VIP membership as providers and possibly facing losing business in this short sighted business restructuring.
IF they want to VIP ONLY  the details great
but if they are going to hide the scores hide both
then the guys can pay to see them or not.



-- Modified on 9/7/2009 8:58:30 AM

We get 15 days free VIP for each review. I pay for most of my VIP these days. I don't buy into the theory of a few that blocking scores from non-VIP's will cause a surge in fake reviews, but I guess time will tell. The only thing I know for sure is that if TER was to remove the incentive to write reviews as some suggest, I'd stop writing them.

have more reviews, (they list the number and the top of the screen) and then get more guys to go VIP.

They are certainly only concerned with maximizing the number of paying customers.

I think at some time in the future when they feel they are at a certain size and market presence it will be VIP only.

Just a thought

TC

You certainly have the right to voice your opinion.  Don't confuse that with a right to change another person's.

I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned about how TER makes money, or if it's fair to one and all.  It seems to me that all of us, hobbyists and providers alike, have several options...

-Pay for VIP
-Submit reviews for VIP
-Live with the info available as non-VIP (perceived as fair or not)
-Go somewhere else for our hobby info
-Start our own website and make our own rules

At least that's my opinion.  I'm a hard core capitalist, and believe that every person has a right to make money by providing goods or services that the market desires.  If TER has made an error, the marketplace will correct it.  If not, all the complaining in the world isn't gonna change it a bit.

Gives me the opportunity to 'see' the best of what this hobby has to offer. That's what makes TER special.

If not, we'd all be trolling CL and street walkers. I'll do without.

And as far as doing without one visit a year? Why not increase your visits, post a review, and get the extra time TER gives a guy for it. 45 days I believe?

Peccadillos? Guilty as charged.

But I also pay $240 a year  for VIP on this site and I see alot of established ladies being hurt by this move as mentioned in another post here alot of the guys are non vip and don't write reviews and those ladies with the lower appearance scores who are already hurting in this economy may be driven out of the biz,which also is already happening in some markets.

While the ladies with the higher appearance ratings and shitty performance will have the benefit of the non vip non review writers based on looks alone.

But basically this is my thought.  Let me start by saying I do not tell anyone how to run their business as I don't like when people dictate to me, how to run mine.

However, I think with this economy and the fact they gave NO notice at all about this change, it's not the smartest thing I've seen.  There are other sites that offer a lot more for a lot less out there and I feel like guys will begin to seek these sites out.

There have been a million fake reviews already just so guys could read juicy details, do you think that those fake reviews are going to decrease now since the numbers are hidden as well?  Hell no the fake reviews are going to be even worse now than before.

Do I think $20 is some outrageous amount for guys to pay??  NOPE and if it is, then you guys who think that, may want to find another hobby considering the cost of other things lol.  

I do know though, I would sure hate to have to contact admin every time I get a fake review.  

Simple suggestions??

1)  Make VIP cheaper.

2) Don't allow free VIP when you write a review.

3) Send a generic email to the ladies before the review is posted asking the lady if they did actually see guy X.  Not sure how that would work though considering not every guy list his handle when contacting a lady.

I thought it was free for you all. Kind of a 'occupational perk'.

After all, you're the reason why any of us are here.

Hmmm. Learned something new today....

So, the cheapies will get burned, and decide that saving $20/month is a bad plan.  They'll either leave the hobby or become VIP members.  Some will write fake reviews, but some do now.  The only real question is will more get through?  I don't see a reason to believe that they will.

The less attractive ladies will leave, or find another marketing approach.

Do you realize that you can get free "limited" VIP as a provider?

Bobinga posted a thread about this already.  Why is it being brought up again???

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=335072&boardID=12&page=1

I do but I prefer to be able to research my clients check whitelists etc which you are not able to do without paying for VIP,I do alot of outside advertising but refer the guys here to read the reviews and the review summary and the performance scores are my "hook" so to speak.
Then see the pics ,they get a taste of the review but the performance scores is what books them.

I wonder if TER would consider letting us pay a monthly fee to reveal our performance scores..lol

Aileysalley - No, not really. Your website is an ad! I have no idea if the pictures are really of you or if they are you but ten years old. Yes you put a "personality" in your website. But I won't know how true that is until I see you.

Reviews by those who have seen you tell me all the above and more, based on first hand experience!

Which would you think is more reliable?

Not the men who don't pay for VIP, if they can't or wont they have their reasons and I doubt not seeing the ratings is going to make anyone fess up the money.

This wont hurt TER any, and it doesn't' effect the guys.

This will directly effect the women, and it has nothing to do with her buying VIP I have VIP so it isn't the issue.

But TER has never cared how it's Policies effect he women. This site is only for the boys right?

I agree if the ratings are going to be VIP only make all of them hidden. Don't just hide one.

Unless things changed a lot during my absence from the site the policy was always once a thread was at the bottom of the page or fell to the second page (since unlike other message boards threads with new posts don't move to the top) that a topic could be reposted...if that is no longer policy I do appologise.

If a subject is only allowed to be brought up once...well a lot of guys that think they are falling love with their providers, wonder if their dick is too big or too small, think they caught something because they sneezed the day after an appointment ect. are gonna be outta luck. *smirk*

Yes women get a few optional perks a limited VIP. I pay for full VIP because I want to be able to look at a gents reviews. Why you may ask, well if a gentlemen contacts me and I can see his reviews, it helps me cater to him. I can see what he likes what he dislikes and what He REALLY REALLY REALLY Likes all by reading his reviews.

For me it helps  make each experience different, and to blow the guys mind by having that little incite about what makes him tick.

There are other perks for having full VIP, but this is the main reason I do it.

As Always,
Karrie-

Without VIP, you could still glean enough information from performance scores to make a reasonably informed choice. If a provider is getting all 9's and 10's, you could be pretty damn sure that you would get bbbj and fk at a minimum. Now the non-VIP doesn’t have jack shit to go on. I’ve got to believe that some of these casual hobbyists will now cough up the $20 on the rare times they participate.  TER wins, non-VIP hobbyists and providers lose.

I love Sensual Leigh's joking suggestion. It’s not that far fetched. Give providers the option to pay to have their scores, and maybe even details, visible to non-VIP’s. That would really get interesting.

there are many other reasons why men don't pay other then just not having the funds. Yes it is their loss but this will hurt the average looking girls more then anything. More men will be getting ripped off and do not assume this will make them pay the VIP, it can make then run to more localized sites that will offer the same information and more for a lot less.

One must cater to the lowest common denominator and not make assumptions that this will wake people up, and force them to pay for something they already have their reasons why they don't.

Who cares about the women? and who will specially care about us less attractive average looking girls when this no longer becomes a place to get business, only the spinner hot girls with high appearance scores have anything to gain from this.

Karrie-

that your reason for full VIP is greatly appreciated!

Still, and I'm SURE I'm going to catch hell for this, is that I think ladies shouldn't have to pay for VIP. Or anything else here for that matter.

You're the reason we're here. Without you, this wouldn't exist.

Yeah, I know some of you creatively write it off on your taxes.

I write shit off all the time in my job to make my customers happy because they're the ones who sign my paycheck. Know what I'm sayin'?

I know this is a business, and whomever owns it wants to make as much money as possible. I have no problem with that.

But to me it's kind of like the old saying 'don't bite the hand that feeds you'.

Like I said before, I KNOW I'm gonna get it for this one!

Peace!!!

QUOTE:
"Have you ever seen a looks 2 and a performance 10?  or vice versa?"

I haven't personally seen a 2/10 review but I have seen 6/9 and 7/10 reviews so there can be a decent shift between the two.

As for vice versa...
I have seen that a number of times; I have seen 10/2 and even 10/1 numbers.  Where the reviewer said the woman was stunning but offered no service, upsold, acted like he should be glad just to be in her beautiful presence.  

The appearance scores being the only ones showing would effectively hurt the lady that is a 7/10 and could greatly (and wrongly) help the 10/2 that only lets the client rub one out looking at her "10" appearance.

The majority of guys that didn't buy VIP before now, probably won't do so now either (before they just looked at two numbers now they will just look at one) if they are fine with slacking on their research that is their issue...but bottom line if the majority of registered members are free members (and unless TER is a huge aberration in the online a minimum of 80% of the members are most likely free members) then it is the attractive ROBs that will benefit and the average looking but great performing ladies that will have their income negatively effected.

A member that was happy with two scores before and no details (either in free form text or from the services breakdown on the profile) will probably be happy enough with just one number now...and if he is in doubt he will just post a ISO or question on the boards about the lady to get any answers he may want...and other members will be quick to answer as a lot of guys like to show they know all about all the ladies.

As for the search still using both numbers you assume they aren't changing or won't change that.

sale each year; so buy a year get three months or whatever deal...
Unless some thing has drastically changed since the last time I bought it VIPs can get the same deal.
I always bought that before my VIP was up, and the new paid year and free months would just go in my "bank".

Of course I was gone for the last two Christmas deals so I guess it could have changed in that time.

I KNOW I bring business to TER. Some of my clients specifically come to the boards to read my latest post (and no I am not having an ego trip, as it is simply true). Word of mouth is critical to the success of a business, and I have sent people (providers and hobbyists alike) to this site over and over again, yet I have to pay for VIP to see White Lists. Hmmmm...

What is interesting is that some of my provider friends are somehow able to see White Lists with their limited VIP access, as random glitches do occur, yet I was not able to see them without paying for VIP. Personally, $240/yr is a lot to see White Lists (the main benefit *I* receive from being VIP). And I am not being cheap. But I must be honest with myself when there are other sites out there that were specifically created to keep providers safe. The information I get from those provider only sites are much more valuable than the White Lists I can see here. But I pay so I can see the White Lists.

(I rarely read a gentleman’s reviews and I can take or leave the alias feature and mail notification at the top of my page. Other than that, I really do not pay much attention to other providers' info, such as whether or not they give CBJ or BBBJ.)

I do not mind paying to put up an ad here, as I do with Eros, RS2K, etc. However, I think as a provider I should have the perk to see White Lists for free. Yes, I said it.

Further, when I did not have full VIP access, I was unable to see reviews of my double sessions, which makes no sense.

In terms of TER's recent changes, they do not bother me. I receive mostly 9's and 10's for looks, so I will be ok. However, it is somewhat discriminatory to those ladies who do not receive high marks for looks. I like an idea I read on the suggestion board about showing an average score to non-VIPs instead of appearance only.

Further, I am just a believer in showing almost nothing to non-VIPs. This has nothing to do with TER making more money or my working on their payroll. I just prefer discretion and believe in making it more difficult for non-VIPs to see information on a provider.

Lastly, I do not think gentlemen should be granted VIP for writing reviews. Thank goodness I have yet to receive a fake review, yet they happen and I could imagine even more gents will write fake reviews to see what is beyond the looks rating.

I am done babbling.

Xoxo,
Giamarie

Personally, I am grateful that the appearance score will be shown. If a gentleman goes to my site, he will solely see my body (not my asset). Having the appearance score visible is an advantage for me so people can see how my asset (face) was rated, which they cannot see by going to my site (I use a blur feature).

On the other hand, the asset of some ladies (their performance) will not be seen by the general public here or on their sites.

So there is clearly an advantage for some and not others.

Just another perspective.

I see you have a VIP deal on your site!

What's up with that?

sometimes I do pay and I have paid, but got bored reading other ladies reviews.
At this point in the deal, I would prefer not having reviews only because now that I am forced by TER to add a link from my site to theirs in order to advertise on TER... it is proof and advertising of a crime.
So now I keep my credit card to myself...
I don't mention sex on my site... my profile lists prices and rates...
do the math

...photos, a monthly newsletter on news about me, etc. It is for free. However, it is still a work in progress as my last mailing list company canceled me for adult material and I cannot figure out how to add a PHPlist program to my computer.

I just feel providers should be able to see White Lists and their double reviews for free. I support paying a fee for the rest of the VIP features.

If you want to link directly to your website in your ad, you will need to link to TER on your website. However, if you are someone like me who is trying to be discreet with my reviews, you do not have to put a link to TER on your site. Instead, simply link to your TER profile in your ads here, rather than your website. From your profile, the gentlemen will be able to find your site.

There are several ways to support TER without having a link to them on your site.

I can imagine there will be some gentlemen who will score certain ladies higher in appearance than what they would usually be scored, given they know this will affect a lady's business since this is the only score seen by non-VIPs.

Just another thought.

(Post on Suggestion Board also)

"Without VIP, you could still glean enough information from performance scores to make a reasonably informed choice."

The whole uproar is the fact that performance scores are now VIP only.  The only thing available rating to non-VIPs is looks.

I don't agree with you. You have to give people incentives to write reviews. If people just pay for the membership chances are they won't spend time writing reviews - because they don't have to.

TER VIP is valuable because of the reviews contributed by so many people out there. IMHO, most people won't pay for the membership and then spend time and write reviews. They would either pay and wait to see the information, or spend time to write reviews in order to get information.

If TER takes away free VIP days, then there's no point for average mongers to write reviews. A paid VIP has no value if there's no new reviews.

It is now getting tough to get good information nowadays. The agencies are being nasty when they see a less than stellar review. Then most regular posters give scores way too high that mislead the average mongers. If TER takes away free VIP days by writing reviews, the number of reviews will drop significantly. The website will eventually die.

There should be some other ways to deal with fake reviews (for example, require more details. Most fake reviews are short because the faker don't have details to write about) But take away free VIP in exchange for reviews is not one of it.  

And they don't have a score for that. LOL

She doesn't think this change will cause any non-VIP's to ante up, I think it will for the reason I gave.

I addressed the uproar over the performance vs. appearance score visibility in the earlier thread on the subject.

This is clearly an evolving issue...

If you were in my state I would most definitely see you. My website clearly states I see women and not as a part of a couple and do you think I have had any takers...I'm soooo disappointed...;(.