I been thinking about this for some time and think she makes a lot of sense.

The only way to keep standards up would be to require some sort of professional status instead of just a license, maybe require a properly outfitted nice aquited incall...especially applying to brothels if they were legalized.

That could work but what she said has a lot of merit..A lot of really good professionals would get hurt by this.

and I doubt you can find any woman of quality for fifty bucks anywhere in Europe. Prices are on par with the US through most of Europe South America where prostitution is also legal is a different story, but much of that can be traced to a much lower average wage in the respective countries.

and where the fuck does she get off with a statement as stupid as "America doesn't have enough of those immigrants", where the fuck has she been over the last twenty years or so? Just because she is a madam doesn't mean she has a lick of sense

did you bother to even read your post and realize how offensive it sounds?

I stand by my post, the "madam" is fucking clueless at best and you are a racist at worst.

FWIW you can get a streetwalker in the US for $50, the same rate as the Dutch version of a streetwalker, ie the 'window girls"

but you certainly have a very myopic view of the world. The world does not revolve strictly around white men. I would suggest you buy an atlas or a globe. On a world wide basis, rich asian men are the biggest spenders.

You might also try traveling the world before claiming to know the hobbying prefences of men who live in countries that have legalized prostitution. That includes the Netherlands, where your window girls that you and the madam you seem so eager to believe are hardly beauty queens. You are lucky to find a seven there, much less anyone "hott"

I was watching an niterview with a madam, and she said legalizing hobbying  would be bad,
because prices would drop significatly just like if we were to legalize drugs.
IN european countries where its legal you can get a relatively attractive
girl for 50 dollars at a brotherl, in places like Amersterdam. In the U.S to get a remotely attractive girl
you have to pay anywher between 150-500 dollars.

She said this would be bad because alot of high end and attractive girls would leave the hobby because they would not wanna work for less pay and have to do more guys and disgusting acts, and we would  be left  with  ugly drug addicts. and the only reason europe still has attractive girls for cheap
is because its close to poor eastern european countries and the girls just travel there.

America does not have enough of these immigrants and we would be left with only american drug addicts who would be willing to do this along with girls who are super desperate.

She points to Canada which has legalized prostitution in certain provinces, but has less prostitutes per person then the states even though it  is a more sexually open society and has legalization

If it was legal, prices would probably drop. But the reason is because both hobbyists and providers alike would be taking on less risk. All providers run the risk of being assaulted (or worse) by a client. To accommodate for that risk, prices are higher. The threat of arrest is always present too.

However, I don't think it's as bad as you're saying. I've looked at a few providers in Amsterdam, and from what I've gathered, prices tend to average around 150-200, while the average for me locally is about 300.

Since I'm not a provider, I can't speak on this with any authority, but I would imagine legalization would cut down on a hell of a lot of overhead costs, and things would more less equal out.

If prices would drop (and I think they would drop significantly), it would be because more of the women that men want to see are entering the business. I don't believe this would affect the prices of 'high end' ladies much just as an overall decrease in auto prices doesn't have much impact on BMW or Jaguar. Unless the 'high end' ladies actually aren't worth the difference in price, they would still continue to command a premium.

A better solution to legalization is outright decriminalization. Let grownups do whatever the hell they want to do as long as they're not hurting others.

if it were legalized it would not drop prices much if at all in the long run.
Yes many would enter this business but not certain it would be the right ones. This work is not cut out for everyone. And also even IF it were legal, its not and will not be for a long time to come, socially acceptable.
Yes some are ok with the fact that we are in this business but take my word for it, its not really ok with most of them even if they say it is.
Most of our clients are married and hiding something also so if it were legal it will never be mainstream. Its an under the covers business that has to remain under cover.
I have no concerns about how other ppl see me think about me or view my ideas or life style but I do have family and they deserve my discretion above all else.
Legalization will Not happen any time soon so stop all the guessing. We are too straight laced and too much religion controls political and social choices in this country and when laws are made. At least on the surface anyway. whos gonna vote that into the house and senate? All votes are public knowledge and who wants to say publically they voted to legalize prostitution. Thats an election kill for any political figure. we are many Many years away from that. Most Ladies working now, will be retired by then.

Search Amsterdam and you will find prices from 150eu and up with the average at 250eu. Not all houses or cars are at the same price (Remember,this is a business) so neither are all services. Whatever the market will bear.

Prices have not dropped at Nevada's legal brothels. The ladies there often get around $250 or more fore there time. And the price for an escort is higher there than most other places. That lady just does not have a clue. Supply verses demand determines price that is true but as some new blood enters the hobby prices may for a short wile drop but when they do some will leave and prices will quickly stabilize close to where they are now and the slight drop will be made up for in increased safety and lower overhead. It is a win win for both providers and hobbyist. By the way some men who do not hobby now would start increasing demand as well as supply, if prostitution was legal.

I would pay good money to a hot provider under any system if you had ironclad certainty that she was beautiful, fit and provided services that I want. To me it is simple economy of time. I would rather pay a top notch provider $500 per hour for services in one stop instead of spending time looking for $150 per hour providers who most likely will not be the women I am looking for.

A ford can't pass for a mercedes regardless of how it is dressed uo. You're right, high end providers always have and always will get fees that they demand and clients that are willing to pay those fees. That truism is why I view the actions of supper hot providers that shortchange customers as grossly counterproductive to their best earning possibilities.

Prices in old western european cities are considerably higher than same cities in the USA, close to twice as high. Prices in eastern european cities are progressively rising year by year.

But she does not seem to have a good education. Which proves the point that you and I are making. I look for education, style, eroticism and ambition when chosing a provider. I would not touch providers that do not meet those requirements, regardless of their price.

You go GaG's brother...you just delivered an NCIS handshake.

And their fees are nine multiples of $50, minimum.

Ive been to the Netherlands and was shocked that the window gals were so unattractive. Not what you see on Tv that;s for sure...

they go overboard with everything. And this is something many do not approve of.
Along with regulatiobs come judgements and if the Ladies have to come forward and be Licensed and so forth I am afraid it may be like wearing a scarlet letter. It will be discriminating in many ways. This culture does Not approve of husbands cheating on their wives. We as a society are NOT open about sexuality, and we are not in general accepting of anything other than monogamy. If you are looking for an open society, move to europe. Don't hold your breath here. No one is willing to put their political careers on the line for cheating husbands and whores, especially in the North east. And if it were to become decriminalized it wouuld be on a state by state basis. Geesh, California voted it down and they are very liberal.
Decriminalazation is the only way to go. Then again its not happening either way for many many yrs and I will be retired if not dead by then.


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I do not that legalization would be bad for business per se....might be hard to regulate tho.

The prices there have skyrocketed. As I said, this woman doesn't have a clue.

yet in many ways unless you are arrested they don't know who you are.
I know, Ican be a slut fuck 20 guys a day FOR FREE and I am breaking NO laws.
Soon as i put a financial value on t I am judgesd and can be charged with illegal activity. Nuts right!
Yes they are regulating what I do with my body, or what profit I make from it. Not fair but it is what it is.
To bring it out in the open and regulate it even further will be damaging I am afraid. we go round and round here with this topic every few months and nothing changes and no new revelations come about. It ain't happenin any time soon.

her part will more or less be null and void. Not many ladies will need the Madam as protection, they can run their own game without her help. Most I would think work in a brothel or for agencies because of the legal aspect. If that were missing they could do this without her help. Its a totally self motivated and vested statement. her role in this will deminish more than anything. Her profit margin will fall not ours.

The Madam's statements are extremely self serving, and only someone very new or very naive would buy into any of her bullshit.

Legalized/decriminalized prostitution works just fine in about 75% of the world. You don't see school girls rushing to sell their bodies just because it's legal anymore than you are seeing a mad rush to smoke pot in places where it is either quasi legal or just a slap on the wrist.

I agree that it is unlikely that the puritans in this country will ever legalize prostitution, but the same thing was said about legalizing pot, and look where we are now. You never know, but like you, I seriously doubt it.

But that's the point - government DOES regulate this. Making something illegal and arresting people for it is the ultimate form of regulation.

How is it that prostitution is illegal but "acting" in porn films is legal? Acting my ass, the people are getting paid to fuck in front of a camera. How is it that the presence of a camera magically makes everything legal?

It's beyond ridiculous.

anything to do with sex thats not the white picket fence manogamy is viewed by most of the voters, at leats publicly as sick and twisted. Yet in private they are our clients. They just don't want to be held to it on paper.
Yes the Madam is hoping things never change but many places where ts legal the ladies do not need a brothel or a pimp to run their own game and the prices for most places are comparison to here. It could be come legal tomorrow and I would not drop my rates but I also could claim my expenses as well so there would be no need to raise my rates either. Here we can not claim any of our expenses as far as hotels dr appts condoms and so on. Be damn certain if in an ideal world it were legal I'd be writing off everything from condoms to fishnets.
By the way I have agreed with you in the past...I just don't tell ya.

Annndddd I DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY SHOULD .... just saying it would be hard to do and I think I assume correctly that if the decriminalize it via legalization that they'd want to try to regulate it somehow because lol that's just how they are.