if the supposition was that a)there was no way to know which 20 providers has developed the skills and b) the 'near mythological' level of skill meant they were masters of Dim Mak.

Regardless of every other factor supposed, I could not bring myself to be in such intimate physical contact with such a person.

Talk about 'unsafe sex'!!!!



HalfHour

Pretend that there are 200 providers in your area.

Pretend that you discovered that out of those 200 providers, some civic-minded citizen had provided training to 10% of them such that they had skills bordering mythological assassins. They could essentially kill anyone, anytime, with their bare hands with minimal effort.  Skills, of course, do not mean that those skills would be used. Pretend they would only be used in the gravest extreme* by very psychologically stable and trustworthy women.

Pretend further that who those providers are is a tightly held secret, known only to each individual provider and the one who trained them.

Would this situation alter your hobbying in any way?

Do you believe this would be a deterrent to potential malefactors?

Would you feel better or worse knowing that this situation prevailed?

OR -- assuming such training was effective, do you think it would "up the ante" such that miscreants would come prepared to exercise a higher level of violence (i.e. use a gun instead of bare hands or a knife) by default?



* There are differences of opinion as to the advisability of such a program. This question is purely hypothetical and presupposes that such training is feasible and would be effective without putting the recipients at any greater degree of risk. These presuppositions are NOT necessarily valid. It could be that a highly trained and confident person would be MORE likely to engage in altercations thus increasing her level of risk; and it could be that even a highly trained woman is no match for a man. I wish to forgo these debates -- which are legitimate debates -- for now; and simply address the hypothetical as though the presuppositions were valid, even though they might not be.

first of all i am quite confident that i am a "nice guy". i do not try to get providers to do what they don't want to do. neither do i intrude into areas of their life without invitation. so i would be quite confident that any _sane_ and not self destructive or delusional provider would not have any reason to exercise her lethal skills on me. so out of your 200 ninja providers let us say that leaves 1-2 who might be so demented or too self destructive to think straight. so those odds aren't so bad.

OK so say by dumb misfortune i would book the 1 or 2 who would completely misunderstand my persona and character. still, i would have no fear. i've been in a few scrapes, i've been shot at 2-3 times, there have been a few attempted muggings and even some duellos with male martial artists who mistakenly thought that the martial art i practice is for pansies.

i always came out standing and my opponent has always fled or wound up prostrate and submissive.

even in poor health, out of shape, out of practice as i am.... somehow i always manage to be the last man standing. i'm damned good in a real crisis. it's a fact, not a brag. so i fear nothing. there will always be that last encounter where you don't get up... but as far as i know, none of us gets out of this life alive. so it's all good.

I get the chance of fucking Ziva David???


Oh Hell yes, I would be much more likely to indulge.

Johngaltnh, I don't think such a program is even possible, but I am in the mood for some fiction. So, I will answer your questions.

"Would this situation alter your hobbying in any way?"
    If they where all "very psychologically stable and trustworthy women", which is highly unlikely, I still would not believe it. I would still hobby as I would view it like the lady potentially being armed which is already potentially

"Do you believe this would be a deterrent to potential malefactors?"
    Yes it would deter some potential malefactors. It would in no way deter some of them though.

'Would you feel better or worse knowing that this situation prevailed?'
    I would feel better as it would deter some that could potentially hurt my wife.

"do you think it would "up the ante" such that miscreants would come prepared to exercise a higher level of violence (i.e. use a gun instead of bare hands or a knife) by default?"
    Those who are not deterred would have to "up the anti" and become just as lethal or even more lethal than the ninja providers, or else they would wind up dead. It would be like any other arms race. But the bad guys already are sometimes lethal now so with many would be bad guys deterred. I don't think the program would reduce provider deaths but it would reduce provider rapes.

Now I answered those questions I will state it is not possible to keep provider ninjas both public enough that it would work as a deterrent and keep who all of them are a secret for long. As soon as they used there skills they would likely be outed, if the killings where to be used as a deterrent to other potential malefactors.

Also it would be highly unlikely that all of any group would be very "psychologically stable and trustworthy" and stay that way. Violence changes people. It hardens them. Just like cops and soldiers often develop mental issues after being being put extreme violent situations.

Add all the stuff you put at the bottom of your post and it is plain it is a bad idea and not really possible. Fun, but you might have talked about robot providers with lethal tits.

I knew could snap me in half had they the mind to.

To tell you the truth, it's a bit of a turn on thinking about it.

They also possessed the strong mental stamina necessary for such a thing.

I'm glad that there are providers out their who have few worries about handling someone who gets out of hand.  Would it be that all could.

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hobbying close to home and would still travel to the Atl or Nashville.

It strikes me more as a marketing "test question" than true inquiry into the phyches of hobbyists.

Playing along for a minute though, John hypothetical wouldn't alter my hobbying in the slightest.

Actually come to think of it, hound_dog is correct, it is a rather dumb question. I already regret playing along. lol

The OP's descibed scenario would not alter my hobbying one bit.  My demeanor is civil, my humor benign, & I never ask for more than what's offered.  And to be honest, it would turn me on greatly during a session to think that I might be with one of the skilled few.  

Oh, & I've met a few ladies that could handle the average untrained client.  Again, so exciting!

Re: hmmm.... clearly posted under the influence eom

Ya got that right!!!!

Why would it matter ? Those that would be deterred from seeing said providers, tell me that they might try something. it's like why would someone refuse a lie detector test of they are telling the truth...take this example in the context it was meant, barring those that can/could beat a lie detector test...you all know what I mean.

I am not saying that you are one of these men, only that if you are a decent guy, why would it matter?

using the lie detector test analogy. there are actually more categories than you have listed.

while lie detectors are used to flag lies and truths they have problems. as you note there are those who can lie without it being detected, it's a skill. there are also thos who get flagged as liars even though they are telling the truth. so someone telling the truth may be unwilling to accept a lie detector test because they KNOW they will do badly. every classification experiment has false positives as well as false negatives.

hobbyland is fun but not without perils. a nice hobbyist who is highly risk averse might avoid the hobby for fear of a misunderstanding that would have catastrophic consequences.

cetegorizing questions like "why refuse if you have nothing to hide?" are flawed and much less reliable than they are credited.

i just have to figure out which influence

it is much freeer from typos than my usual stream of consciousness posts.

I was kinda hoping this would be a post about the new Ninja Cowgirl position, or Ninja blowjobs.

Actually, I found this to be kinda dumb. As one who seems to understand human nature I would have thought this would have been asked and answered before it even hit your conscious brain.

Guys with a psychological predisposition to do violence toward someone at random (i.e. unprovoked) are not at all likely to be bothered by this at best. At worst, they would pack bigger guns and do more damage than they might under "normal circumstances".

The folks who would be most deterred are the ones least likely to perform random acts of violence. This is like locking your car. It only deters the casual theft. Not someone intent on taking the car or something inside it.

That said, I do believe that all ladies should have a modicum of self-defense training to use when needed with the average joe (and never disclose this). What to do when  the level of violence escalates is an individual case-by-case thing, so I leave that one alone.

My biggest objection is that John probably already knows what his answer is. This is kinda like watching myth-busters to see if this shit is real or not. 70% of the time anybody with high school physics could tell you the answer.

The question might be silly on it's face, but I can allow john a few here and there He just needs to ask first - LOL

Who would they kill?  Hobbyists?  Bank robbers?  Or no one?

I don't understand your question.  Are these super-hero providers that are going to clean up Gotham (sexy!) or Russian-roulette providers that might kill you before a BBBJ (scary!)?

Ask yourself this: If you knew a person had the power, through physical contact, make you extemely ill, or to cause you to die weeks or months later, with no evidence of what caused your sickness or death... Would you knowingly have physical contact with them? Could you TRUST ANY other person with that power?

I am not dangerous at all. But that is moot. I would not be able to trust anyone with that level of power. It's too extreme. While there are people who can control themselves with it, one could never be sure who that is.

The premise given was that I would know that 20 out of 200 providers had near mythical ninja skills; to which I specified that if thismeant they were masters of Dim Mak, I would not risk being in close physical contact with them.

The implication when I said "such a person" was that I would never allow myself to knowingly be in close physical or intimate contact WITH ANYONE who truly had mastery of that skill (in it full 'near mythological' potential. I meant ANYONE.  Not a doctor. Not a barber.

It's about a human, with all human fraility, having a power of life and death, and being able to use it (almost) without impunity.

I would stay far away.

No matter how good the pussy was.



HalfHour

Providers (and everyone else for than matter) already have access to firearms, bodyguards etc. Whether a person can kill you with their bare hands, a situation that providers find themselves in every single day, or if they need a firerm to do so, doesn't make a lot of difference to me.

People don't kill other people more because of the penalties for doing so, not because of a lack of ability to do so.

It wouldn't surprise me if John, in that twisted mind of his, wassn't simply taking a very circuitous route to get to this simple fact of life.

We trust other human beings with our very lives every single day, whether it's the pilot that flies us, the driver of the semi truck that is headed towards us at a combined speed of well over a hundred miles an hour everytime we get on a two lane highway, doctors, the list goes on and on.

I have no more worries that a prostitute with "super ninja" powers is going to kill me than I am worried that my doctor is going to inject me with a lethal poison instead of giving me a booster shot.

The question was meant to be "thought provoking" I'm sure. Truth be told, I found it rather dumb. The answers however, were a bit revealing. I am surprised that no one pointed out the obvious, every time a hundred pound girl finds herself naked and alone with a two hundred pound man, she is in the exact position described. the effort it would take for a large man to strangle a small woman would be no more than wringing the neck of a chicken, a fact that I am sure was not lost on the OP.

Actually I thought it was so obvious, I didn't mention it in my first post on the thread, but apparently it wasn't obvious enough, judging by some of the responses.

You have such a vivid imagination...lol.

The reason *why* for OP is moot, silly little man. I decided to play along *on topic* with a bit of fun.

You didn't comprehend what I posted (probably dont know why either) and so you rant about real life dangers that are immaterial to the premise.

I wouldn't have thought that you were the type to not read carefully and understand the question, or to answe a question that wasn't asked.

First time for everything I guess.

What do all those examples have to do with what I said?

I ran this by my teens  ( not saying providers of course) and they got it! They actually said those other examples arent relevant to a Ninja Dim Mak master.

This is amusing, since the serious ferver and real life example to discredit my PERSONAL opinion, show real emotional investment in a fun non-serious post.

I expected that out of GaG maybe others.

But literbike??

Dear lady, do you undertand what I am even refering too?

I wouldn't have thought that you were the type to not read carefully and understand the question, or to answe a question that wasn't asked.

First time for everything I guess.

What do all those examples have to do with what I said?

I ran this by my teens  ( not saying providers of course) and they got it! They actually said those other examples arent relevant to a Ninja Dim Mak master.

This is amusing, since the serious ferver and real life example to discredit my PERSONAL opinion, show real emotional investment in a fun non-serious post.

I expected that out of GaG maybe others.

But literbike??

Dear lady, do you undertand what I am even refering too?

Or are you just trying to stay in character?

What "you were trying to say" was rather easy to comprehend, If you are claiming that you didn't really mean it, that's a completely different issue.

Your dismissal of "real life dangers" aside. Providers do experience real life dangers, selling sex for a living does have it's risks. The OP realized that, why are you having such a hard time with it?

While I didn't mention dim mak in my post it is simply reverse usage of acupuncture/acupressure with a concentration of chi.

Just as the knowledge possessed by an MD could be misused, so could the knowledge of an acupuncturist; though there are some time-of-day details to dim mak that don't apply to acupuncture.

So would you rule out dating an MD, an acupuncturist, a nurse practitioner? (*grin*)

Only if they were Republicans...

Lol!  good angle however.

A trained assassin (your premise) along with mastery of Dim Mak (my added condition) would translate to possessing the 'near mythical skill' of the  "death touch". Unfeelable, untraceable, and deadly, the move requires several key components (such as time of day, as you mentioned) to line up  perfectly to carry out.
When you add in that the skill is possessed by a provider - someone who has carte blanc access to my body - you have created the hypothetical scenario of a person who could harm or kill me with absolutely no tracability. Not even I would know!

One day you are in beautiful intimacy with someone and several days or weeks later you become ill and soon die of natural causes.

And why???? just because one time, I mean ONE TIME, I missed a spot when washing my ass??? LMAO!

Well ... Democrats too. Usually.  LOL

Consider this -- anyone who had the capacity to make use of that sort of training to completion ... would by his/her nature be someone who was not very likely to use it for light and transient causes. There's sort of a self-filtering in place. Of course, that self-filtering would make it difficult to train 10% of any population but, hey, it's my hypothetical so I can specify anything I'd like!  (*grin*)