I have had two gentlemen ask me do something with them while we where together this month and another who sent me a post to a message from here.

Both gentlemen wanted to rub their cocks on my pussy not covered and both saw the same lady who let them. I of course said "no" and said "you mine as well just dip it in unprotected as to do such a thing". I also explained about herpes and other things that could be symtomless at the moment but still dangerous.They were clueless and wonder if it sunk in.They both said the woman got carried away and loved it. Come on now did she really or does she do this with every guy.

Another gentleman I saw gave her a rave review but never reviewed me. He wrote to me that he wanted a women who showed she really wanted him. So did she do this to him too.

I'm trying to understand why they thought this could be safe but more over how they could think they were that special when it happened on their first visit.

One gentleman I see all the time and the other at least 4 but we are very friendly and keep in touch.

Do others allow or take such a chance ? I'm just trying to get inside a man's mind. Does this really make you feel special?

Ladies please help with this too

alias to help answer this but please this is a safety issue and i'm genuinely concerned

Kisses Haley

if neither party has open sores nor signs of a herpes outbreak and if the male is circumsized.  Rubbing skin to skin (no penetration) is less risky that other things which I regularly do (DATY.) It is called the camel slide.

do you trust a perfect stranger...You could be shedding a virus and have a tingle and nothing else. Also HPV may be so small you don't notice it.

Am I really being too careful

Kisses Haley

I'm not a doctor of course, so just giving my opinion.

The activity Dr Joe is describing sounds about as harmless as a woman licking a guy's shaft without taking his head inside her mouth, it doesn't seem like a big deal.  A woman did it to me when I was much younger and it was very exciting.  The guy lays on his back and the woman is on top in cowgirl position, and glides her wet pussy along his shaft.

However, if Haley is describing guy on top and rubbing his cock on her pussy, that sounds like open hole against open hole, and does not sound safe to me.  Like she indicated, almost like bareback.

No I have not asked a provider to let me do that.

What turns me off is the guy saying something along the lines of "if you liked me you would let me do that"  Sounds very manipulative.

By placing you well lubricated hand between his penis and your vagina, the effect is very similar, and perhaps even more erotic as the hand has abiltiies to caress and grab that you don't get otherwise.

Try this next time and everyone should be happy.

If you get right down to it...even with a condom
you can catch herpes ...the outbreaks can be anywhere ..they are not exclusive to the penis or vagina.Same with HPV..

You can also contract the disease through DATY & BBBJ as well,I don't think that this is any riskier
than either of those.

That's exactly how I do it

Keep the lubed hand and the penis; discard the vagina.  
Or , yet lower: use your own lubed hand and save 3 beans. LOL

Lube the gal's thighs, and insert the penis between them below the vagina.  Again the gals hand can be placed as a barrier to prevent an "oops" situation, and again, that can feel very erotic to the guy as well as the gal who can stimulate herself with her hand as she does this.

This can be done with the gal supine or prone.

For even more fun, if you are having a FMF threesome, one of the gals can move her hand down there during these sessions.  This way the other gal's hand are free for various purposes.

Be sure there is a towel underneath to get the mess.

It is just that bare skin against bare skin without penetration or fluid exchange is less risky than a lot of what we do.  Nothing is risk free.  I am personally not a fan of the camel slide, but it is relatively low risk  I am a great fan of daty which is somewhat higher risk.  I do all I can to decrease the risk (mouth and gums healthy, valtrex on board, zithromycin and second generation cephalosporin after the date to kill off any gc or chlamydia) bu it is not without risk.  That is why, when I am active, I get tested very regularly.

I do think pressuring you into doing something you don't want to (or trying to) is dirty pool.

It's such a small step from there. :-/

No thank you.  Keep it covered when playing down there please!

xoM

Hi Dr Joe

I have taken a *lot* of heat for advocating on these boards the position that the camel slide is safe. One package of TER sweetness and light once told me to camel slide my ass to egypt lol

I'm glad to see a medical man stating this opinion. I have linked another that agrees with you.

But the bottom line for me is:

if the lady is not comfortable with it, holds a different viewpoint, or it violates her boundaries in any way I would not push for it or argue the point

it is an activity for mutually consenting adults who hold the view that the risks are minimal and that the pleasures warrant the minimal risk.

Cheers

GTM

where the stripper straddles the guy... and if the has the foresight to wear the appropriate clothes, she can face him, pop his cock out and move aside her garmets...  noone sees... and there you have it....

Course you do have those who start with them, and then casually mention that they have a condom in their pocket.... lol!!!

the most frequent comment I've had is "are you glad to see me.... or is that a condom in your pocket???"

Aside of the fact that the HPV which causes cervical cancer in women OFTEN has no visible sign on the infected man, that genital hair can often hide extremely small outbreaks and that outbreaks can be mistaken for ingrown hairs or a even a pimple, and completely ignoring asymptomatic shedding... I will never understand how so many think that this does not create fluid exchange?  This skin is not the same as the skin on the rest of the body.

I generally enjoy your posts and my post is not personal to you, though wanted to put this out there as your post implies that there is no fluid exchange with this activity.

of taking care of oneself, practicing good hygiene not exposing oneself to risk and using one's big head occasionally.

Damn hard to generalize these things. One thing I have practiced in this hobby is to only see providers who have respect for themselves and take great care of themselves. You can pretty much tell who they are.

Not supporting BB, never have done it and never will. It is minimum protection and one should not risk consequences.

I did it once, several years ago. Now that I'm older and, supposedly, wiser, I won't even consider it.

But let's not assume the lady who he said he reviewed allowed him to do it. Some guys love to boast about things that never happen, and just by him being insistent with you about the other lady letting him tells me he wants it but can't get it.  

Hugs,
Ciara

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I see it as very high risk.
I also see many decide its "low risk" in their words and they are usually the ones who want to play this way.
assessing your risks to what fits best with what you want does not mean in reality it IS low risk. I guess that is determined on what level your high risk is.

I never allow this.

for me it kills the mood - the only thing I would be thinking about is "will he or will he not try to dip in"

Not a good thing to think

Ditto with what dddbabe said! Too much other fun can be had without all the risk.  If a guy mention to me that so and so had done it, I'd tell him to go back and see her.   I'll pass...