I see providers starting to charge these ridiculous prices. I know a lot of guys must be paying and my question is why? Why pay a woman $400 and up just for 1 measly hour of sex. I've heard of guys paying $1000s for same amount of time. Honestly guys is it really that serious? I don't get it because to me it can't be that serious. Like the saying goes there nothing new under sun so there nothing these women are doing that ain't been done before and worth that much money. Now I'm not saying mess with $40 chicks hell no I stay clear of them. However 1 woman told me $200 and another one said $250 for 30 min and i told them no its not that serious I'm not paying that. Like I said the question is why are you guys paying so much for so little time?
In case of a luxury goods / services, the price that consumer pays is determined to a huge extent by what the consumer / buyer is willing to pay.
At a certain price point the co-relation between paying more and getting an incrementally better product / service ceases to exist. For e.g. you can buy a clunker of a car at $1000 off Craigslist and in a few months you be looking for a new vehicle. Then you can buy a brand new Camry for say $20,000. Now do you think top of the line Mercedes for $100,000 is really 5 times better than a brand new Camry? But Mercedes has the class, the appeal, the bragging rights that Camry doesn't. Now how about a pimped out custom built Rolls Royce with a starting price point of $300,000. Is that 15 times better than Camry as far as the utility of the vehicle is concerned?
These are not Math problems...The guy pays what he pays for perceived value, class, status, bragging rights, and also because he has lot of money to burn.
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The guys that buy the $100,00 Mercedes or the $1000/hr date will not be standing up and telling you how many times the Mercedes let them down or that the hot date did not live up to her pictures or performance.
These are also the same guys who have the attitude that if it does not cost X or more it is not worth it . This attitude may make for as many 10/10s as the BBFS claim.
“I paid that much I had to have a good time”
It's hard to swallow the pride and say.. I screwed up. The price tag wasn't worth it. I should have bought something else than splurging $100,000 on this German piece of crap that needs to be taken to a mechanic every other month..
OMG !! What will the Joneses say..
LMAO.
As someone who is formerly the owner of a German luxury car, I felt this hit home hard (not really the worrying about the Joneses so much as the mechanic every month),
Thing is though I heard what way too many stories where the guy paid xxx amount got played big time. So my point is the risk ain't worth the reward that you may get. At the end of the day a nut is a nut why risk that kind of money.
You clearly seem to have issue understanding that other people see it differently, and may be willing to pay higher price for a different reason despite of what I articulated in my post.
As far as getting ripped off is concerned, that can happen at any price point.
IF your looking for value you should just jerk off. The payment for services should be from incremental funds that don't matter. In terms of who your bragging too about going to a hooker, that's a truly sad experience. These times with these ladies should be kept to ourselves and our hedonistic labidos.
I get what you're saying but its not worth all that. I can tell you for a fact that i paid a lot less then 1000 and had a hell of time. To be honest I won't get into details because you wouldn't believe me or you believe its a catch.
It wouldn't be surprising if you were PAID $1,000 and got your asshole ripped apart and had "a hell of a time". Everything is relative, which your lack of grasp of the concept appears to be the source of disconnect here.
Now put on your thinking cap and imagine another part of the world, let's say Bangkok, where $20 can get you a provider experience that blows away any that you've had (according to your reviews), and which you paid an estimate average of $120 for.
Any local in that part of the world paying $20 for a provider could say the same thing about you paying $120 that you're saying about other members here paying $250 or $400 or $1,000 or whatever.
But just because their market situation along with national economy and a whole bunch of other factors allow them to pay $20 for something that is actually superior to what you're paying $120 for, does that automatically invalidate your satisfaction with your experiences?
From what you've written in your post and replies on this thread, you seem to be living large and loving life on your $120 provider experiences (even though most of the scores you've assigned range between 5 and 7 lol), so does it even matter that mongers in Thailand might think you're drastically overpaying?
In the end does it even matter what anyone else thinks as long as you're happy with the price you're paying and the service you're getting?
Now if your answer is yes, then maybe you should stop caring so much about what other people think and start living your life for yourself and not for anyone else.
Now if your answer is no, then why should it matter to anyone else what YOU think if they're happy with the price they're paying and the service they're getting?
In the end, who gives a shit how anyone else spends their money? As long as they're not spending $1,000 for your $120 6/10 providers and pricing your regulars out of your budget range, why do you even care? And if they DID start doing that? Tough fucking luck LMAO!
...always dictates the price one pays. If someone can afford 1k for one hour of so so sex, more power to them. I can afford that but have never paid more than 600 ever for an hour of bliss. If you do your homework there are gems out there for less than 400. The milf providers don't have GPS and I have seen a steady of them over the 20 plus years in this business.
You prove my point you can have great sex without paying 1000. Now I wouldn't pay 600 everybody has their has boundaries. My point I've done pretty much everything most guys have done dealing with providers but I never had to pay ridiculous prices for it and my attitude been if providers get way too out of hand i'm a put my big boy britches on and get out there and approach woman and it goes however it goes.
It doesn't bother me in the least that you see $250 girls or if you were to see $40 ones. I pay for what I am attracted to, and for someone I think would be a good match for me. That type of provider almost always starts at $400 and goes up from there. To answer your last question, I do so because I enjoy it and can afford it but still, not sure why you are so concerned what others do and pay.
That the way life goes what people do effect others whether it laws or whatever. My point is you paying these ridiculous prices have chicks that you dealt with and other chicks on the sidelines that talk to chicks you dealt with thinking they can get the same amount of money. What you do effect others never forget that. I'm not saying be cheap but i'm not paying ridiculous prices just to get laid and you shouldn't either. it simple as that.
It's all relative. The guy paying a $1000 for an hour of fun probably buys $500 ties. They pay more because they have more. To them, it would be like wasting time to squabble about a few hundred bucks. So really your beef is about men having larger incomes. Because a provider will charge whatever she feels comfortable with. And I agree there are some out there that are thinking they can pull $800 bucks and their looks are average , so unless they are phenomenal in bed they are working the system. And more power to them. You can charge or pay whatever you want but nothing is going to change unless you get a second job so you have a larger play fund. And I agree , it's just pussy. Not the Taj Mahal. But if you really want to go deep in this discussion, I think my pussy is priceless. That's why I just let visitors pay to play w it. No one could ever own it.
I only just noticed your post. You packed a lot into it, and I agree with it all.
And a sincere 'thanks' for letting us play with your pussy. It really is priceless. I'm very grateful to you all for doing this. No way in the real world I can have sex on a whim with the variety of women that your industry opens up to me.
How is what others do affecting you?
You made plenty of posts stating how much you pay and that you’ve had a hell of a good time.
If you were saying that you were getting crap service and felt pushed to pay I’d probably understand. As others have said, I’m not sure I get why you’re so bothered 🤷🏻♀️
That the way life goes what people do effect others whether it laws or whatever. My point is you paying these ridiculous prices have chicks that you dealt with and other chicks on the sidelines that talk to chicks you dealt with thinking they can get the same amount of money. What you do effect others never forget that. I'm not saying be cheap but i'm not paying ridiculous prices just to get laid and you shouldn't either. it simple as that.
...$40 chicks? And why would you avoid them? At what price point are you willing to pay a provider for FS and why?
There, you answered your own question.
If everyone stopped seeing $400+ providers, that would drive up demand for $400- providers. Providers charging under $400 would raise their prices to match the rising demand.
Just be happy that there are providers offering services at prices across the spectrum.
no they wouldn't if they won't pay $400 there not going to pay $500 and up i don't get your logic. Women would have to get wit the program and move on. Like i said don't $40 bitches usually their the drug attics so i run away from them and i do mean run i came across situation where i saw a woman she saw me and i was like hell no and back my car up and left so with that said don't go against your gut fellas. Anyway let be honest women won't raise there price if men said hell no i'm not paying this. I've actually met women willing to quote on quote work with with me when i'm told them no. Look men want sex i get that but don't play yourself for a sucka just case you won't some ass.
Because they aren’t cheap bastards and like the way the pricier ones look and perform.
and you don't have to. Kudos for you for making your hobby dollars stretch. It's not what you earn but what you keep. I have seen a provider who charges 80HH, gives excellent service, bbbj, with cfs (condom full service). Tight pussy. Seen her 7 times since August, total cost $560.
Why pay 1000 dollars when a girl charges 250 for an hour can do the same thing just as good as the 1000 girl. The 1000 girl charges that because too many guys are looking for her approval and trying to marry her and fellas need to stop. Yes I deal with providers but I know they are not the all and be all and believe me this was a hard pill to swallow but guess what they are fucking somebody other than us that never paid a dime and never will.
...why pay $250 an hour when another girl charges $40? 🤔
Probably because "worth" and "value" are all relative, though often tied directly to how much one is able to afford.
In the end, who cares if someone else is paying $1,000 if you're happy with the service you're receiving at $250? Unless you're their financial advisor, what business is it of yours?
Now if your gripe is that you're not able to receive satisfactory service because other guys are "overpaying" and therefore driving market prices beyond the reach of your budget, that's a more legitimate complaint.
Still, there isn't much resolution that can be had to your advantage when your adversary is the free market economy, other than perhaps lowering your expectations or getting more money?
Even the providers we like the see have demand going up. So much so that when you try to make an appointment they are not always available. Some have raised prices as a result. In the $400+ (from a few years) the demand is even higher, then ended up raising their prices. the sky is The limit. If you think it does not make sense that guys will pay 1000 they will.
Many guys will not wait around too long for a appointment. They may not pay 1000, but they will be forced to pay more. Especially given the circumstances we are in with the covid-19 crisis where so many providers have taken a break.
You can value cross average and save the money for the future when prices correct (you might start having wet dreams again lol). I have seen some lower prices when they stopped getting calls.
With all the scores of 6 or less that you give, maybe you should ask yourself if your selection process needs improvement.
First let's talk about the so-called "power" issue:
She has the power to say "no." You have the power to say "yes." You implication that if we all just stopped paying over $600, providers would universally drop prices to $600 or less is, well, at best naïve. Ad-hoc boycotts rarely achieve their objectives. And there are way more guys here (and not on TER) who don't care about your compliant and would never agree to comply with the boycott... because they want to get laid.
Next, lets extend your logic to it's natural conclusion. You say there's nothing new, no difference between a $40, $100, $600 or $1000+ experiences as long as you get to nut. By that logic, you should NEVER pay anyone for sex again - not even $40. A bottle of lube costs about $20, and spit is free. Nut away on the cheap. You're problem is solved!
Finally, has it occurred to you that one of the reasons a provider chooses to offer at higher prices is to AVOID whiney douchebags who bitch about how they run their business? The car analogies have already been exhausted, so I'll switch to food: There's are significant reasons why a cheese burger costs about $6.00 at McDonalds and about $35 at a premium steakhouse. They both provide nourishment, and you get a free napkin to clean up when you're done eating. But the experiences are orders of magnitude different.
Now the rest of us can enjoy fucking our favorite and new hotties at whatever prices are mutually agreed upon.
Life is good
The Cat
Now I don't have to post the same thing. So thanks!
Ditto. eom.
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I don't know what's the cost of living in Atlanta but here in LA it's an arm, a leg and a couple of internal organs. And the providers charge accordingly. If there were good looking women here willing to fuck us for $250 (other than K girls) or $350 or $450 we'd gladly give them our business. But those numbers ain't coming back. So unless I want to fuck K girls or motel girls for the duration, my choices are pay the money
or . . .
Looks like an average of 6/5 with quite a few 2’s in service. Not exactly a person I’d be quick to take hobby advice from.
And if you look at the two ladies who he scored 8 in looks, they're really 3s or 4s. OP looks like a bottom feeder to me.
As Warren Buffet says, "Price is what you pay, value is what you get." When the value you receive is at or higher than the price you are paying, then you have made an excellent choice, and will gladly repeat the experience. If you did not feel like you received good value, you won't see her again. Its not complicated.
We all have different things we look for in a provider. There are guys who are completely satisfied with the value they get from a streetwalker experience, but there are many more that would rather pay more and get a fantasy experience that satisfies their own desires, sometimes on multiple levels. We shouldn't second-guess anyone else's hobby practices, because his own assessment of where the value is for HIM may be completely different from ours. As long as you are satisfied with the VALUE you are getting for how much you are paying, you are right where you should be.
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but also agree with the others.
I go $65 - $80 and $100.
but went seriously a few or couple of times.
It's like food. Sometimes you don't want to eat cheap food all the time and go you into a fancy restaurant.
I wonder what the waiter would say if you tell him, most of the time I get food from your trash dump but today I decided to come in. 
In my experience the cheaper escorts are that way for a reason. They’re either ugly as sin, way past their prime, heavily drugged up or flat out insane. Quite frankly, the stench of desperation becomes ever more pungent the cheaper they become, and their state of intoxication becomes ever more obvious, right down to the used needles left in plain sight with the track marks ever more visible. Sure, I could bang an escort for 140 bucks, but ultimately it isn’t worth the loss to my integrity or the nagging feeling that what I’m doing is fundamentally depressing and soul sucking. I want the escorts I see to be relaxed and enjoy my company instead of just tossing me out the door as soon as possible because they hate me and themselves and their work and only want the money so they can shoot more heroin into their arms. Fundamentally this means paying higher donation rates, since in general those women do offer a better service, are prettier, and are friendlier.
When I first started seeing escorts it was pretty easy to find hot ones for $250/hour. I’ve been noticing that number inch up every year. The escorts that last and aren’t drug addicted tend to raise their prices over time, and inflation has made $250/hour not particularly viable for young women entering the profession.
That said I know of some agencies and indie workers that’ll still provide a high quality service for $250/hr or even slightly less, but that’s not the norm anymore. These days $300 - $400/hr seems to be the sweet spot where you get high quality, friendly service from a pretty, young woman at an affordable rate. Any higher and it feels like it’s just a waste of money and all you’re really getting is a stuck-up chick in a nicer hotel room wearing a prettier outfit.
I personally don’t go past $400, and a couple times I even managed to negotiate a donation down from $500 to $400, but I always respect a woman’s right to set her price tag and most of the time I just ignore women who price themselves out of my wallet.
As to people who pay ridiculous sums like 1,000/hr for some chick, I mean, it’s cause they can. It’s just what it is, if you can afford it, and these men can, then that’s what they’ll do. I stick to my limits, and hope those high rollers remember that tossing that kind of cheddar around is hurting us little guys, but I’m guessing they won’t.
My sweet spot is 300-400. If I had 1000 to spend I would book three appointments, one hour/week for the next three weeks.
...i generally prefer seeing providers that bathe between appts/dont have other clients waiting outside,texting her/knocking on the door/while she is hurrying me along me along/...hey..i had 4 figure appt w woman for 90mins for 2am summertime hang on the balcony of the Ritz in Lisbon Portugal-was it worth it? Hell Fucking Yes-im still talking about it now....if you are just looking for a hole to put your sperm in...why are you here???...i dont know if its just me...BUT...the value between $250 providers and $1000 providers is wider than the Nile....actually id rather go clubbing and just pay for UBER if i just need a release...i want the experience from women who love having and know how to have sex....also if $400 for one hr is measly...thats YOUR fault....AGAIN COST IS ONLY AN ISSUE IN THE ABSENCE OF VALUE.....
There's a great line from one of the world's top art collectors: Most people know the price of everything and the value of nothing. The art world is fucking nuts. People pay millions and the artists openly laugh. The escort world is the same kind of nuts. We pay whatever we think the girls are worth and, regardless of the price point, they laugh. This is not a business with rational buyers. We're horny buyers. The girls are sooo in the drivers seat. Be grateful they're available at so many price points.
...an Oscar Wilde quote but carry on...lol
Quite right, Peter. In fact, Wilde said that a cynic is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. It's aline from his play, Lady Windermere's Fan.
Typical snooty billionaire art collector, he didn't give attribution for the line. LOL. Thanks for giving me the accurate source.
He actually seemed completely likeable and well adjusted even though he lives in a world that is totally remote to 99.99999% of the rest of us.
...he sounds EXACTLY like the type of person Wilde was describing lol!
LOL. I don't know him, and I don't want to cast aspersions, but he certainly seems to have had a moment where he fit the bill.
Yes, I know a lot of guys let the HDH's dictate not only the price, but everything else about the transaction and the date itself for that matter, but that doesn't mean we all do.
"I will beg for pussy, I will pay for pussy, but I will NOT beg to pay for pussy"
Words to live by. lol
Speaking for myself, not only will I NOT pay ridiculous prices, especially from the OTHFBC, but I refuse to "jump through hoops" in order to spend my money as well.
That said, there are plenty of reasonably priced, hardworking, attractive women out there ready to rock my world. I don't patronize the ones with GPS, but nor do I feel that I have to come onto a fuck board to whine about them. Crystal Champagne tastes like crap compared to a bottle of Veuve that's less than half the price, that doesn't mean I am going to start whining to anyone who listens about how overpriced Crystal is, I simply don't buy it. See how easy that is? lol
It's Veuve Clicquot that tastes like crap. I avoid it like the plague. And you've never drunk "Crystal" champagne either. Because it's spelled "Cristal."
Pinhead.
...and not for the first time:
"I have found no reason to pay the $500+hr rates that have become so common here in the states even while at home. I am not saying these women aren't 'worth' it, who am I to say what a person is worth, but I can't remember the last time I paid over $300 hr."
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/the-us-has-k-girls-and-low-priced-latinas-949795?frmSearch=1#949795
That was over three years ago. You weren't judging what a provider was worth. But today you ARE judging what a provider is worth. You are adding the strawman of jumping through hoops, GPS and providers dictating the price and everything else as an excuse not to pay more than $300.
A provider doesn't "dictate" the price. That's her advertised price. You either feel she's worth it or you don't. She's not forcing you to see her and pay her "outrageous" price. If you think she's charging too much, simply move on. The free market will "dictate" to her whether she's charging too much, not you. Now if you want to talk about the guys who let themselves be pushed around by some high-dollar providers, that's another story. But don't blame the providers if some guys want to pay for her "golden pussy" and will "jump through hoops" to do so.
As usual, a great response from you
Normally when you pay a higher rate (400 and up), it comes with the security of a drama free, more professional session i.e. higher end hotel, appointments made and met on time (who likes waiting in the parking lot for 30 mins?), shower available, perhaps a outfit request or at the very least she will have lingerie/heels on. I have dabbled in both, but I can admit that overall my sessions with higher charging providers has been better than lower end providers who normally stack appts on top of each other and rush. Of course that varies from provider to provider. These days that is not necessarily a sure thing.
yes waiting outside for the guy before you comes out.
yeah the hurry up, time is almost up and they knock on the door. She answers back with a "Ya!" and you say the same "Ya!"
But spending a few dollars is nice.
The same reason he has a sparkling new Mercedes and you have a beat up Honda.
Funny I used to have a beat up Honda.
Now I have an old beat up, well not so beat up
but old and well driven Mercedes.
I just drive whatever car I find when I need one.
But what that got to do with anything?
Girls don't like it when you compare them to cars.
But yeah I "date" junkers. Hey they take me there.
First of all Willanator,
Get a life!!!!! Don't worry about what others are paying unless you are giving other hobbyists the money to do some hobbying.
Louis Vuitton does not offer specials, or discounts. You obviously, do not respect working women if you posted this very rude comment. Thanks for showing us that this bothers you, so much. I prefer to spend my time with gentlemen who share a mutual respect for us as humans, and kindness is very attractive. If you can't afford it, then STFU.
This topic still generates discussion. My usual stance is that these posts have zero influence on rates. Now I am beginning to think they might make guys willing to pay more.
It's really hard to not pay those prices. Let's say you knew every guy in your town and you convinced everyone not to see her at her rate until she lowered her rate. Will she lower her rate? Nope. Not at all. Because all she has to do is tour to another city that will pay her price. We're stuck paying their rates. The only way she would lower her rate is if she didn't tour. Typically the ones that don't tour have a day job, so not getting booked isn't too much of an issue. Eventually someone will come along and pay their rates.
They got us by the balls.
It's supply and demand, IMHO. T
There aren't that many easily accessible, reliable, and 'legal' providers, which means providers that you're not rolling the dice on as far as looks and service. I mean P411 women or verified and reviewed TER providers. If you want to go out of that world, you can find cheap girls, but service is up in the air. You might get a covered BBBJ and fuck, and no LFK/DFK for $150 bucks. The rare unicorn is LFK/DFK, uncovered BBBJ, and covered fuck, but those girls soon find out their 'worth' and are quickly in the $350 range, and then that goes up to $400 plus if they're halfway good looking and good at their job. Sasha Stolin was an agency girl for $300, and I think she is now $600, if not more.
I've seen some mediocre-looking providers asking and getting top dollar. They do provide a good service, though. That is a big difference. You either have great looks or provide excellent service - those providers get $400 plus an hour. If you have both, you're now dabbling in the $600 to $800 range. This is all in the United States.
I've been all over the world and have not seen these prices anywhere that I've been. Germany 80 euro for window girls, 50 euro bottom end price for suck and fuck from FKK girls, and they are stunning. A 100 Euro gets you more time and better service. Plus, you're in a great place with spas, mirrored rooms, buffet, porn movie theater running, etc.
In the Netherlands, of course, you have window girls and brothels - all legal and all less than $150 a visit, and again 50 to 80 euro for a quick fuck and suck. Brothels about twice as much but same service with hotter girls than are being offered in the states. Canada is my go-to, USD 250 for stunning TRUE 20-year-olds. Once you visit and come back, you realize you're fucking their mothers here in the states.
Mexico and South America are dirt cheap for 'pizza delivery' to your room. I understand why the South Americans, Latinas, etc., come to work in the states. They're making bank here, even at the cheaper agency rates.
Anyway, I believe that it's a seller's market—top dollar for an American English-speaking provider that is good at her job. I find from talking to many providers, it's not the sex, but the conversation clients want in addition to the sex.
Finally, hotels,food, and travel to big cities is very expensive. So added costs.
Just my opinion as I have no other explanation.
An Escort usually charges a high amount. What you get is (usually) somebody not on drugs who checks herself often for disease.
A backpage girl is a whore who often is on drugs and rarely checks for disease
A girl you meet and take out for dinner and drinks which usually cost somewhere in between > you may or may not be lucky
But best is to be a Sugar Daddy. The best of all worlds
....its so that...in case of an"accident"after a measly hour of sex...i know that any"accidents" wont become someone like you....does the word JACKASS mean anything to you???...go home/buy 2 jars of Vaseline and save your cash....AND its y'all btw
Yes, I know, there is a board for politics, so I will try to make this as gentle as I can.
We are back in the days of Jimmy Carter inflation. Simple as that. Gas, utilities, food, clothing prices are skyrocketing.
To those of who that were not around in the late 1970's, it was not fun. It was ugly.
So why shouldn't the lovely ladies take a price increase? A reasonable one, but not like fifty percent, at least not yet.
We could get to a point where inflation will reduce our hobby income to a level we cannot afford a visit for the rates we paid last year, let alone increased provider prices.
It just plain sucks.
fwiw - it just wasn't Jimmy Carter, Inflation was high during 1972-1976 and during Reagan's first two years. What was the absolute killer was interest rates which I believe went up to almost 20% between the late 70's and early 80's.
I remember where I was living - working in 1982 (Reagan). I had a friend who wanted a small loan to buy a car. His English wasn't so good so I offered to help. One of the big national chains of small lenders (pre-internet; lots of TV and radio ads; I don't remember the name) was asking 25% interest on a 6-month loan of $1000 ... and they wanted collateral to secure the loan. The prime rate was 18.5%. 1982. Reagan.
fwiw - it just wasn't Jimmy Carter, Inflation was high during 1972-1976 and during Reagan's first two years. What was the absolute killer was interest rates which I believe went up to almost 20% between the late 70's and early 80's.
For any interested in that period of inflation, an perhaps what to expect in terms of timing and impacts as related to policy, the short bit on Volcker's 1979 policy action might be of interest.