There seemed to be a fairly large divergence of opinion on a previous discussion between the guys and providers.

On a one or two hour appointment approximately how long would you estimate is spent on actually penetration (penis / vagina only)?  This would include multiple cups, but not foreplay, tongues, fingers, toes or anythings else.

The condom helps a lot with making me last a good long time, I would guess about 5-10 mins

b-

Since I've never asked for a one hour appointment, I think it would usally be about 10-20 minutes, depending on how we both hold up, for a two hour session. That, of course, leaves plenty of time for all the other playing that I love so much.

I only expect a full allotment of time inside the room. That includes everything you mentioned, as well as general chit-chat, clean up etc.

I can't imagine where my mind is during a session....  lol, but I've never even thought about estimating time in penetration!

I guess the "little head" has long since taken over and he can't count worth a damn!

I sure as hell don't, and I hope she isn't either.  I have no clue how much time is spent coupled and don't care as long as a good time is had by both parties.

Swim

Not sure if you were asking ladies to reply also, but I'll throw my .02 in. Every gentleman is different. Some don't even prefer penetration, but rather prefer oral or other things.  For most that I have noticed penetation is a minimal part of the appt. Of course there are wham bam thank you ma'am kind of guys, but they usualy don't retain the services of a full GFE. They usualy look for gals that offer in and out services. Like I said, each gentleman is different in his tastes & what brings him the most enjoyment. I think for most it is the entire package, not just the penetration part.

Yes - we certainly need to hear from all!

This question was prompted from a previous thread, "I screwed myself," where it was stated by a provider that normal penetration time for clients was 2 - 5 minutes.  This particular session (of mine)the penetration time was longer by design but ended up back firing as an overall pleasure enhancement strategy due to never reaching completion.

Last appointment, 2 hours with my ATF, one pop for me, five for her, zero time with my penis in her vagina...

Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone should care to keep track of this.

You got smacked around pretty good on the thread below Transcend and I'm not here to do it again. What I will say however is that most GFE type gals do not want to be pounded for any significant amount of time. I'm not accusing you personally of anything, just saying that, in general, the harder and longer a guy tries to fuck a girl, the more likely he is to wind up on her do not see list...and trust me, all good ladies have such a list.



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I have had sessions where despite the fact that I was turned on by my  lady, it just wasn't happening in vaginal penetration, no matter how badly I wanted it to.

In those cases, I stop before she is sore and I am worn out and go back to kissing, cuddling, oral, all the things that I also truly love.  No sense in burning rubber, sore provider, and on the "dns" list for poor 'convenience factor'!

and I never "strategize" pleasure enhancement- I go in to each session with a fully open mind to whatever develops in the chemistry between me and my lady!  Each one has been unique and fun!  Even if it "never happened"



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You're absolutely right! It's all about enjoying the entire two or three hours. Sometimes the main event doesn't involve penetration at all. I've had a few sessions that went way over the "alotted" time just because we were having fun after the sex was over with.

I always had the impression that I was too quick on the trigger so to speak. Now I see I'm not that far out of line.

Younger guys (20's - early 30s or so) can last up to 45 minutes of the (hour) date. I come out of those feeling like a piece of meat usually. For the older gents, I'd say 10 minutes PIV penetration is norm. But I come out of those a lot more satisfied, since there's a lot more foreplay. (I just like older men, what can I say?)

EDIT: And yeah, what BostonGuy said.

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Well, live and learn.  This subject is somewhat counterintuative.  It seems in real life the complaint is often things are over way too soon.  In the hobby life at least the providers are happy if things are over sooner rather than later.

This subject looks behind the fantasy and it is completely understandable why this would be so.  After all this is business.  And, what we as hobbiest are doing is buying a product.  Of course, this does not change the human dynamic.  Respect, manners, and best behavior is plain common curtosy.  However, as I gain experience I am sure that I will be learning other rules that I see that are more likely to enhance pleasure on both sides.  Thanks TER community for sharing your insight (thicker condoms & Cialis are going to be put away).

Thanks BG.  I have enough discord in my married life. I'd just as soon keep any negatives our my fantasy life.

TER provides an excellent forum to get difficult and little talked about questions answered.  This answer has come through loud and clear!

But that is the only thing late about me, usually.  Let's just say, if I cared to bring a stop-watch to an appointment, I'd need quick reflexes to get the time IV  (in vagina).

Actually, not quite that bad.  But with some women, on some days, I can finish what their mouths and hands started in 5 minutes.

And I am generally a one shot guy.  But the journey is generally most of the fun anyway.

But I don't agree at all about the "sooner rather than later" comment when it comes to the finer GFE gals. They want to enjoy the act just as much as we do it's just that continual pounding is not all that enjoyable! foreplay, fondling, slow methodical oral, mutual oral, more oral...more oral...leading to fornication in various positions...then maybe more oral. It all ads up to a good time for both parties and can make the session go by so quickly that you will both feel like you just got started when the time is up....which is why I always book two hours!

Also, the common civie complaint, at least in my experience, is not that it is over too quickly, it is that the guy finishes before the lady has a chance to and turns the television on...

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Most of my appointments are 2 hrs. and like some of the posters have mentioned, I also don't keep tabs on time in regards to penile/vagina  penetration ...LOL.

I enjoy plenty of foreplay (and afterplay), as much as the providers that I've seen.  So, on some occasions I'm only good for 1 cup.   Sometimes "quality" is much better than "quantity".

On the otherhand, if you're like the "Energizer Bunny", multi-girl sessions are great ...LOL.

The 2-5 minutes I mentioned came from the research of Masters and Johnson. Being curious, I did some more research and found that more recent studies on PE have found that average time from penetration to ejacualtion to be around 4-7 minutes. As far as I know, these studies are all based on performance without a condom, and it is reasonable to assume that the use of a condom would prolong orgams, but we are still left with a considerably shorter time frame than the 90 minute time frame discussed in the previous thread.

I initially found the condom to be a detriment with 'staying power'. Then I started studying the work of Dr Lin, and realized that my issue was more one of needing to wait until I was at least an 8 or 9 on a 1-10 firmness scale. If it went on while I was 1-7, I would never get to the level where I could then control how long I lasted while intimately joined.

Being 9-10 allowed me to then control myself from 'going over the edge' via deep abdominal breathing techniques.

The control is also position-dependent. Positions where the stimulation is higher on the trigger zones (Doggy, sitting with her facing away, etc) results in shorter staying times. The best seems to be missionary. This allows for uninhibited breathing techniques, and a range of thrusting speed from almost no movement to very fast.

Actual times have varied from a few minutes to almost an hour. Now, before any ladies go putting me on the "I'll never see him" list, let me add some context.    The longer times are actually consumed with mainly slow, low-impact thrusting. More of a 'dance' and slow internal massage, in and out. What I do in 30 minutes, I'm guessing many guys would do in 5 minutes. I like the slow build-up to one release, where she receives a lot of soft stimulation on her g-spot, pushing the energy/tension up towards her Epi-Center. All the while this is going on, lots of kissing and nuzzling and caressing. It's a slow dance.

So, I can last a long time, at a slower pace, focusing on bringing her to a crescendo. If I tried to do what is comonly shown in porn, I'd be done in two minutes.

If anyone is a 1.5 to 2 hour and up scheduler, give the 'slow dance' a try a few times. Lots of rewards for you and the lady.

I was feeling better about myself with the 2-5 minute timeframe lol

I don't have to be like a porn star.  I wasted all this time trying last 60 minutes and shoot on cue. Craaaaappppp.

1.  Talk for an hour and a half.
2.  Orgasm quickly.
3   And tip big.

I think many providers function the same way that I do in my business: separate a client from as much of his money as I can in the shortest amount of time, with the least amount of effort on my part.

When you think about how many men that even a low-volume provider sees in a week or a month, you can't really blame them, can you?  I mean, it is physically demanding work with a lot of heavy lifting.

'1.  Talk for an hour and a half.
2.  Orgasm quickly.
3   And tip big.''

"When you think about how many men that even a low-volume provider sees in a week or a month, you can't really blame them, can you?  I mean, it is physically demanding work with a lot of heavy lifting."

That's akin to saying every girl wants a super hot guy who makes a ton of dough with a low sex-drive.

I appreciate the parallel to your business, but as I'm also in this field, I can tell you the list you described above would be classified an 'easy mark'..

Mm... again I revert to it's a customer service industry. They are not fuck-machines, they are wonderful living breathing angels.. but you deserve to get your fee-for-service. And to me that doesn't include 90 minutes of convo and a quick pop.  (foreplay - kissing, caressing, anyone.?) If that's their perfect client, I would argue they don't enjoy their job enough.

BTW conversation is free .. if your a huge stud sex is generally free. If you have a harder time with the latter, sometimes you need a provider. Conversation is a necessary evil, but I'd just go right to it every time if I could, it's part of the thrill. Nothing hotter than being blown by a complete stranger in less than 10 minutes. God bless it.

-M



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I can't say that I've calculated the actual time, but for the appointments where there has been penetration, I would say 10-20 minutes.  I've had some appointments where we haven't even gotten to that.  I've had many appointments where the activity has been primarily oral, and I'm perfectly ok with that! Each session is different and enjoyable in its own way.

you should be slightly uncomfortable.
Massage tables are great causing a mild distraction as well as not a really comfortable chair.
That way I can have some actual fun instead of being told I can't play with Mr.Happy because your too excited.
From my experience guys seem to want "it" to last longer.
I am pretty good at getting 20 minutes out of Mr.Happy with all sorts of tactics.
I don't try to torture the guy and not let him finish until the end just so I can watch him shoot really far.
I don't toy with your head and body anymore because I realized that GFE wasn't supposed to be the REAL way I treat men but trying to guess what your fantasy girlfriend is.
I used GFE to justify making the guy use the hour.
I'm much more laid back and less obsessive about if I kept it hard the whole time and if it shot enough cum.

I thought it was just "time and companionship". Man, I feel like an idiot.