I am not asking if you are naive enough to think just because a guy says a girl is a 10 that you will think that, but is it not COMMON SENSE to advise newbies to look for 'well reviewed providers' if they have no freaking clue what a gal offers? We have guys on the newbie board who have no clue about what different types of FBSM providers offer, and the advice being given is to "ask them questions about services" bwahahahaha. Really?

Some seem to like going on the newbie board and screaming about how reviews don't matter, yet at the same time littering every post with their damn website link. So, you don't want reviews, you think they are unnecessary, yet you USE a REVIEW BOARD to cruise for clients? I am not saying that word of mouth can't have you see someone without reviews, but how are you to know anyone a lady has even seen if she has NO WAY of showing that?

Am I missing something here? Would most of you trust some provider just because her website says she offers x, y, and z with absolutely no reviews to back those claims up? I could say I was doing doubles with Jenny McCarthy on 'my website.' Means not a fking thing if I can't PROVE IT!



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As an addition to this question...how many have seen ladies with reviews and regretted the experience. How many of you have broken the golden TER rule and have seen ladies without reviews?? Btw. No one ever said reviews were useless however a point was made that because someone chooses to not have them, they should not be entirely dismissed or thought of as a  problem.  There are a lot of escorts and sensual body workers without reciews that are busy with clients
Why is that?
Also, when an unfamiliar person posts here. Is it not helpful that they include a link to their website as a way of letting readers know something about you? Is that not what the field at the end of a post is for??

I don't think that the reviews are to be treated like gospel, and every word is to be taken literally.

I certainly stay away from girls who have pages and pages of 10. Not because they are bad, or will provide bad service, but because of the drama associated with them. So reviews actually help me weed out the drama queens.

Reviews will also help me stay away from the obvious rips offs and girls who get 2s and 3s.

Reviews have certainly helped me in making appointments early on in my hobbying career. Enough number of reviews do provide a good general guideline as to what the girl offers, and what to expect BCD.

Some people discount them altogether, and I wouldn't take that extreme stance either.

I am not talking about veteran hobbyists, who obviously know what they are doing, but to people wanting to use the newbie board for ADS, then in the very same breath starting bs about how reviews don't mean shit lol. I would say every detail in a review might not be worthy, but a woman with YEARS of consistent reviews at the very least has a track record of delivering what she says she will, and at the price stated. Does that mean you will have a good time with her? Well, no, but it does seem to suggest she is not some fly by night rip off, or a damn cop.

I know plenty of women with no reviews, but guess what...they also don't cruise review boards for BUSINESS lol. They are more on the sugar baby side of things, and no...they don't post their website link in EVERY post. Guys have often commented about such types.

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My first 2 experiences were without reviews (BP) and one was excellent and the other was a disaster. I then discovered TER and really check reviews. I also will see who did the reviews to see if we have seen any ladies in common and our reviews match up. Then I'm pretty comfortable.  My only complaint is I've seen a few ladies that provided excellent service but their photos seemed to missing 10 to 20 pounds. And i put that in my reviews.

I am new to the hobby and TER, but you've got to use COMMON SENSE when hobbying.  Not that you can take every review as gospel truth, but you certainly can get an understanding of what services are offered, is the provider what you are looking for and if they are a ripoff or stable.  I will quote the great Ronald Reagan to the usefulness of a review board.  "Trust but verify."  We'll, he used it in talking about inspecting nukes in The Soviet Union, but I think you get the point.

Happy Hump Day!

All I did was read reviews (as well as these discussion threads) for a couple of months before I even attempted to schedule anything.  Once I found  someone I wanted to see, I also PM'd a person who had seen her to ask a few additional questions (just wanted to re-confirm what I thought I knew).  

I don't plan on changing that approach anytime soon.

Never been on it. I'll check it out.

No one but you was screaming anything. You are determined to make this personal.
So sad and such a waste of time and energy.

to set something up. We can take pictures to prove it, and if that happens I will give up the hobby forever having reached the pinnacle. I might come out of retirement for a double with you and Megan Fox. JS

I have told you before I don't read reviews. I go by reccomendations and websites to see what services are offered. I will however look to see if a girl has been reviewed and look at the scores. I'm not necessarily looking for 10's as much as I'm looking to see if she has nothing but 5's and 6's. Anything above an 8 and I can assume she is good.

must be a rip off or a cop mind you, but is that not what most guys are told to avoid? I mean...hello, how do you know for sure if she can't PROVE she is legit? A website proves NOTHING...I have one too lol, but alas, I LINK to my reviews instead of posting bogus compliments from no named people. I realize this massage person has a clientele but what she ceases to realize is she is NOT THE NORM, and going around expecting guys to start taking chances on every girl with no reviews, is going to get them HURT! Women with a HISTORY of GOOD reviews may not be as hot or as good in bed as their reviews suggest, BUT they damn sure are not rip offs or cops!

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Personally, I wouldn't trust women with no reviews either unless she was recommended by another provider who knew what I liked and disliked.

I have only seen one such woman-  with no reviews.

Its best to advice newbies to take the reviews with grain of salt and use it as a guideline. I wish someone would have advised me that. Would have saved some heartache.

do we use reviews to do our research? Or are you just ranting about hookers that troll the newbie board for business ?

Beginning to look like a rant to me rather than a solicitataion of opinion and practical practice..

Bogus compliments?  And you would know that how? I'm a straight shooter and don't play games or try to decieve people. Some people go with their gut and get a good sense of a persona character and perhaps that is why I get good clients without reviews.  There is nothing bogus about me, my site or anything I've said.  Not allowing someone to play judge and jury for me rattles some....so be it.

I think most of it is very porno novels or acting out the XXX movie they just saw. I meet most providers I see through M&G. It seems workout well for me because, we have already met and figured out if there is chemistry and no awkwardness. Takes care of reference issue also. Good all the way around, don’t you think.

I have met some very reputed providers whom I am friends with but would never have sex with, there is no Chem.

board have told you that your insistent bs about trusting those with no reviews is risky, yet you continue to advise these guys to do just that. Drop your ego and business expectations for a second, and think about the bs advice you're giving out! Most of us are not worried that much about business, but to protect newcomers from getting ripped off or arrested. I see you only have one person in mind, and that is YOURSELF! This was not personal, until YOU made it personal.

Telling newbies to take a chance on every girl without reviews is simply retarded, and that is what you have done on so many occasions. I am not saying and never have said that YOU, are not legit, but you seem to keep thinking that. I am saying the freaking point of a REVIEW board is to see women with....OMG REVIEWS!

The ONLY reason I brought this here, is because YOU refused to shut up about in on the newbie board where they don't want this type of bs! My very first post to you started out with, "I respect you," and you turned that into a pissing match.




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Read them, but take it with grain of salt. If you want to back channel with one of the guys, go ahead and do so as additional step. But you are making this harder than it needs to be.

In fact those scores sometimes are misleading. I recently PMed a guy asking him a question or two about the review he wrote, and he was all praises for his session, but had only given the girl a 6.  Go figure.

So read the content, forget the score..

You can go back and look at various threads about women who only have review TEXT vs. review LINKS on their websites and see what the results were, so that is what I was referring to. The guys ALL said those comments were bs, can be edited, and mean not a damn thing. I have never even taken two seconds to look at you or your site, so I have no idea what you have on there, but funny you thought I was talking about you lol.

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I remember what this hobby was like before TER & a couple other boards. It was really hit & miss. You could almost expect to waste a lot of money until you found that special someone who rocked your world.
The main source for connecting with ladies were the "yellow pages" [all those under 40 will need to check Wikipedia for "yellow pages"...City Papers and sometimes the want ads in the local paper.

I've not been ripped off or disappointed in years. I know every review reflects the attitude and perspective of the reviewer but still one can be assured of the basics and the legitimacy of the lady. And I've kinda learned what hobbyist can be trusted.

My review history affirms that I have had the pleasure of meeting quite a few extraordinary babes during the past few years. I attribute much of this good fortune to the gents who took the time share valuable insights concerning the lady.

Reviews are not only insightful but minimumize the dangers for the lady as well at the gent.  And they create a level of familiarility and comfort for both parties. That alone enhances the experience.

One of the frustrations I have with TER is that so little of the discussion on the boards actually pertain to the amorous encounter btween two consenting adults. In fact all to often TER pulls post that serve as warnings or provide other critical info. The truth is most post are nonsensical and I suspect the majority of the irritating comments from alias's are penned by individuals who rarely if ever indulge in the hobby.  For them this is simply a social board that allows them opportunity to garner attention.

Why oh why anyone would risk seeing a lady with no reviews is beyond me. And to believe anything claimed in an ad or web site is insane.  OK...I know ladies have to break into the biz...everyone has that first review. I HAVE seen ladies before their initial reviews have popped up. But After so many years in the hobby I , and other debauched gents, happen to have the instincts , experience and insights to make fairly good judgements.  Newbies have no chance. None.

I can say that if we had this conversation in person, it would have gone quite differently as many things would not have gotten misconstrued. I am not anti-review for everyone but the fact is that not everyone wants them and Clearly there are guys seeing ladies without reviews. You are right in that its best for a newbie to be cautious..I get that.  I just hate to see anyone get disregarded because they don't want reviews.  

I thinl we've beat this dead horse enough! LOL

then use the very review board for business? I don't appreciate newbies being set up in a sting because of bs advice, but that advice is certainly free to flow. Others, can also come along and say how asinine it is. I wanted to get the bs OFF the newbie board, because that is not what it is for.



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Ohhh c'mon now London...you have been making all kinds of passive-aggressive comments towards me- be honest! You statted this thead on my account! According to the location hits on my stats page, you've been peeking . I'm flattered, lol!

Newbies are not likely to go to a meet and greet before they ever see their first provider, so for them it is suggested to rely on reviews..not for every detail of course, but at least so the poor thing is not going ask some LMT if she provides a damn blowjob!

I sure as hell did not come on a review board and advise newbies to see ladies without them lol. In fact, I did not start GIVING advice until I had 3 years of experience in EVERY aspect of this business....agency owner, fbsm provider, escort, and sugar baby. I have done it ALL.

My only issue was telling newbies that it is ok to see ladies without reviews. Think about this...what if you were a new provider and 99 percent of the board was telling you to screen your clients. Then, one person comes along and says, "Girl, you don't have to do that. There are plenty of good guys to be found without screening them." See how crazy that sounds to a new person who does not know better?

You telling newbies that all providers without reviews should be trusted, is just like some GUY telling a new provider not to bother screening. It puts all parties at risk, and that was my ONLY concern.


I have always appreciated your input, your posts, and as I said I have a high respect for those who are not full on escorts, but none of that has anything to do with some poor newbie who is going in blind. As you can see, MOST guys here will not bother with a girl who has no reviews and in they do, it is because they have some other way to VERIFY her. Newbies can't take all that time, most don't even have VIP or know anyone to go ask about so and so. It is not that simple for them.

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My location would not say New Orleans either honey...Me uses a proxy.

I understand what you are saying, my statement was a little generalized. I do read the public info part of a review. I have read VIP sections of some but they all say the same thing. DFK at door, dropped envelope, BBBJ, put on hat, positions, bbbj, will see her again. The general info part will tell me if she was a rip off, or delivers as expected.

When I look at the scores it's more for consistency, all 5's or all 9's. Numerical judgent is all perspective, my 8 might be someone else's 10.

I do appreciate the advise.

MM

Of course, reviews have their faults and should never be relied on as the only way to pick a date.  The numbers are well known to be a poor guide on their own.  But reviews are valuable to find out info such as price and services.  The Juicy Details can be useless, but looking at her reviews, especially her reviewers, is invaluable.  If I see that a seasoned reviewer (especially one who's reviewed girls I've seen and has reviewed them accurately) has seen a gal I'm intrested in, that's a big plus.  Then I can PM him with any questions.  That, looking at pix on her site, checking ads, finding her profile on P411 or Date-Check are all part of the process.  If you include all these elements, the likelihood of a bad experience is tiny.
And, yes, reviews are a critical part of the process, perfect or not.

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Roh OH. London is on a roll this morning!

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Likewise and I'm thinking at this point we should charge each other for our time!! HA!

Actually, there is no way for a newbie to go to a M&G because they could never pass screening with no references from providers.  The only way might be if they are taken by a friend who's a serious player and knows the host well enough to be completely trusted.  I have no idea if that's ever happened.

How much for that double with Jenny McCarthy?

Sorry I know this joke has basically already been  made but couldn't help myself.

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Girls with "pages and pages of tens are drama queens" really? I find just the opposite. Just one opinion.

I would like to try and smooze her for Mr. Carrey's deets since they aren't together anymore and he has tweeted in favor of prostitution on more than one occasion  LOL.

You shouldn't have to post a link to your personal website if you have a TER profile they can click on "see my TER reviews" and on your profile is a link to your website.  You just look like a chronic self promoter when you add your website to every post it's like, "eh, I'll just say something that makes me sound good and get a plug in for myself."
I don't hurt for business at all, I just come here to play on my downtime.  If you are just getting started on TER and want to be recognized as a legitimate provider ask your clients to review you.  If you have good clients many are happy to do it as you enrich their lives they want to give back...what I'm saying is talking about yourself only goes so far--in fact, all day everyday ladies are posting shit on BP that reviewers are refuting on message boards to help others make informed decisions...feedback from someone who is not you that has seen you speaks volumes.

can I watch you "smooze" jenny mccarthy?

please?

I put no faith whatsoever on reviews on a ladies website.  Maybe most are legit but how do I know who really typed those words in?  Just me...to each his/her own.

Just Joking, I wouldn't tell anyone if I did .
I do like the way you think London . The only problem , you think most people should have  logical brains  .  They don't .

I get where you are coming from, from the stance of a review board.
But so many people don't have reviews nor care to have them. I think, on a review board it makes sense to be review centric, but outside of said board, I find them to be irrelevant.

I have seen a number of gentleman now, without reviews. Am I less legitimate than you, who has more? No, not at all.

Being a review slave is silly to me. But the gents here are into that. Some people think being UTR and word of mouth is silly. But some gents dig it. Why do we have to knock different ways?

I agree with you dear, but on this board you are fighting a loosing fight.
And since London is "one of the guys", disagreement will only get you flamed. Let it go.

I have found that, for the very vocal few here, there are quite a few who support you, silently....

Posted By: massagegurunh

As an addition to this question...how many have seen ladies with reviews and regretted the experience. How many of you have broken the golden TER rule and have seen ladies without reviews?? Btw. No one ever said reviews were useless however a point was made that because someone chooses to not have them, they should not be entirely dismissed or thought of as a  problem.  There are a lot of escorts and sensual body workers without reciews that are busy with clients
Why is that?
Also, when an unfamiliar person posts here. Is it not helpful that they include a link to their website as a way of letting readers know something about you? Is that not what the field at the end of a post is for??

Posted By: London Rayne

I am not asking if you are naive enough to think just because a guy says a girl is a 10 that you will think that, but is it not COMMON SENSE to advise newbies to look for 'well reviewed providers' if they have no freaking clue what a gal offers? We have guys on the newbie board who have no clue about what different types of FBSM providers offer, and the advice being given is to "ask them questions about services" bwahahahaha. Really?

Some seem to like going on the newbie board and screaming about how reviews don't matter, yet at the same time littering every post with their damn website link. So, you don't want reviews, you think they are unnecessary, yet you USE a REVIEW BOARD to cruise for clients? I am not saying that word of mouth can't have you see someone without reviews, but how are you to know anyone a lady has even seen if she has NO WAY of showing that?

Am I missing something here? Would most of you trust some provider just because her website says she offers x, y, and z with absolutely no reviews to back those claims up? I could say I was doing doubles with Jenny McCarthy on 'my website.' Means not a fking thing if I can't PROVE IT!



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If your target market is hobbyists, then you will be a slave to reviews. If your demographic is not hobbyists, then having no reviews is not an issue.  

I think what people forget is that there is a huge population of men who do not subscribe to boards in general and even if they know they exist, are still not interested.

Reviews and review legitimacy depends on who you talk to...a hobbyists, then yes, a non hobbyists, then no.

I am not "knocking" those without reviews nor those who don't want them, but if you think that the MAJORITY of guys on a REVIEW board do not put more credence in a provider with years of consistent reviews, you are simply wrong. Guys looking for a mistress or a sugar baby don't much care about reviews, but every guy in this thread has said he values them for one reason or the other. You might be very legit, but you 'appear' not to be so to many people when you don't have a history.

Saturn...exactly, and if the target market was NOT guys from this board, why advertise on THIS board lol. It's not like you who just posts for shits and giggles, but when you claim you don't see hobbyists, don't need them, don't need reviews, and then beg for business on a REVIEW board full of hobbyists...well, it looks a little silly. That is not directed at any one person either.

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Who cares who disagrees with me...it is not about that, but about common freakin sense. I would never tell a woman she must have reviews to make it in this business because I know better, but you also don't go around telling NEW guys to put much stock in providers who can't prove they are legit somehow.

This goes back to certain people not being able to get screening information, does it not? Well, if not having reviews puts you at risk and forces you to do stupid shit because guys don't trust you enough to hand over their info, is that not affecting a woman's business? Sure as hell is! Why would a guy hand over personal info to some woman who can't even prove SHE is legit? I sure as hell would not either. Hell, most of em won't even give it to providers with 100s of reviews, but if they are new, and you are new...how exactly does that work?

I am bitchy because of this stupid diet and I have nothing against her, you, or anyone who happens not to agree with me, but that is neither here nor there. I am far from being the first person to say that reviews matter to MOST men HERE, and they damn well do. BTW, you never said you were against having reviews until now, so this is kind of funny. I was under the impression you were trying to get some reviews.

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HI MM,

... is irritable toward the fans of late!!  She , briefly, went out w/ him last summer!! Maybe she should get back w/him so he can become the kindlier, gentler Bear he was once!!  Also If Jenny has Jennifer Aniston's #, I would love to be her new "Friend!"

When your career is over...or should be over...people tend to be pissed at everyone else for their lot in life.

Can't you tell which hookers here fit that profile?

Posted By: CubbieFan2

HI MM,

... is irritable toward the fans of late!!  She , briefly, went out w/ him last summer!! Maybe she should get back w/him so he can become the kindlier, gentler Bear he was once!!  Also If Jenny has Jennifer Aniston's #, I would love to be her new "Friend!"

Posted By: MagicMedic

to set something up. We can take pictures to prove it, and if that happens I will give up the hobby forever having reached the pinnacle. I might come out of retirement for a double with you and Megan Fox. JS

I have told you before I don't read reviews. I go by reccomendations and websites to see what services are offered. I will however look to see if a girl has been reviewed and look at the scores. I'm not necessarily looking for 10's as much as I'm looking to see if she has nothing but 5's and 6's. Anything above an 8 and I can assume she is good.

Seriously, just because some are clueless does not mean that the rest of us are Stooopud.  Some of my most intimate and enjoyable encounters with providers started as flirtation right here on this very board.  I've even traveled a couple of thousand miles to meet one unforgetable provider - twice.... ok so one of those was a business trip which just happened to be close by!  Newbies are by definition newbies - only once.  If they continue to make the newbie mistakes, they are just stupid.  When I started back in the hobby the world had changed in my 10 year absence, the change?  the net!  changed this hobby forever.  

After a particularly enjoyable encounter with an agency lady, I called the handler, and asked her what I could do to show my appreciation for the lady's skills and beauty, she replied, "write a review!"  I was clueless, so I asked for instructions.... she introduced me to TER.  I learned.  then due to some misunderstandings, I was offered the opportunity to re-invent myself on TER.... and Voila, BizzaroSuperdude was born.... ain't ya'll lucky I'm here to entertain and enlighten you!

The newbie board is the wild west.

My advice to every newbie is to get VIP and start by looking at the reviews and getting a sense of the services a girl offers.  Ask questions, and figure out what each service means.

I just have no patience for freeloaders who expect the rest of us who spent our resources and time to give up information for free.  Information is either earned or paid for.  It doesn't come for free.

Reviews are important, and they are a good foundation to build your due diligence on.

and expect veteran guys to tell them who to see. What this often does is bring the low hanging fruit to say "see me".

Hobbyists need to spend the $ for VIP, do their own research and enjoy the experience.

The ones that really piss me off are the ones who are too lazy to use the search function.  They don't want to do their own homework and expect others to do it for them.

"Am I missing something here?"

I dunno?! I'm not sure what everything prior to what I copied means?

"Would most of you trust some provider just because her website says she offers x, y, and z with absolutely no reviews to back those claims up? I could say I was doing doubles with Jenny McCarthy on 'my website.' Means not a fking thing if I can't PROVE IT!"

Can't help you with "most of you", only myself.
Tineeye
Google the phoe number
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While I may not doubt a mention that some service is available, I wonder if I would enjoy the way the service is provided.  To answer if I would enjoy the experience I look for "reviews" from someone that has had the experience.  

By their very nature the reviews are entirely subjective. Since we are NOT homogeneous, I do not expert to have an identical experience.  Add in “Perception IS Reality.”  and it's even clearer that my experience may not be identical.

For me, the BIGGEST head scratchers are pictures that do not depict anything that prior pictures have captured. Pictures that take away from prior pictures??

Silly descriptors used in advertising "classy", pamper, upscale, unrushed, appealing, professional etc.  Sometimes I picture someone writing sexy on a piece of paper and then taping it to their body.  Yup. Sexy body. Reviews will indicate relevant information along those lines pamper, unrushed, appealing etc.

Why do you think the caption said “ I do not”?

in such and such area...look at the damn reviews! My fave is the guys who say, "I am staying at the Westin, looking for some company Friday at 8 p.m." Fkin retard!

It's a lot like scoring a gymnastics meet. throw out the top and bottom score and take an average.

Yuo're a freakin SHILL every time lol

I'm so glad I've come to know reputable....as appossed to mangina shill......reviewers.

Oh then there's the "review whores". Hookers who won't see honest/truthful reviewers