How about we all boycott Chinese providers and MP's til we get an apology and our P-3 back? OK! OK! Don't get your panties/jockey's in a bunch! It's only a joke....kinda.

Seriously-for the last 10 years, I have only bought Chinese goods if they were the only ones available, or I had some kind of assurance that the product was not made with prison labour.  Otherwise, I always pick the alternative.A lot of stuff from China is made by gulag prisoners!   That's reason enough to boycott China!

I too have boycotted things made in China unless there is no option.  I am a member of amnesty intl, so I do not purchase anything that is made by political prisoners.I have nothing against a person that is chinese, since some are my friends, and I lived in Japan for a year, and made friends  with chinese and japanese there.But I refuse to help out a governement that keeps prisioners for soley for political reasons.  Almost 90 of what comes from china is made by prisioners.Tinamin Square burns brightly in my mind and always will until major changes are made.Letters sent my amnesty int. members have actually helped to releaze prisioners in different countries, and certainly have changed the way some nations treat their prisioners.  But it takes a lot of them.Sweet Dreams,  Susie

Good on ya!BTW-  I wish you were around up here-  if you do the CMT thing you would be a perfect fantasy for me... a few parts earth mother , more parts hot mature vixen fantasy!   Hummina hummina!

I'm on board! Since my #1 and #2 girls are both Chinese, I'm boycotting them for one week. And cancelling my lunch with Skyguy at Yang Cnow in Chinatown-which is now Little Saigon.RC

. . . I've heard others say much the same thing and they are NOT kidding.  Boycotting Chinese restaurants, etc.  What I'd like to know is, what earthly good does it do to advocate this kind of discrimination?  Does the Chinese government care if no one goes to the Panda Express on Main Street?  I hardly think so.  When you think about all the enemies our country has, we could boycott a lot of local people based on their ethnic origin.  Is that the kind of America we want to live in?--modified by Papercup at Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 17:56:29

I buy as much Japanese and Chinese and Asian products as I can.  The only way Americans will get off their fat asses and compete is if they're forced to through competition.  In fact I'm going to put on my Nikes and hook up with a Filipino, Japanese, or Chinese provider right now.  Maybe all three. They truly know how to please a man and usually at a better price.  This may force "American " providers to give better service. Chop Chop and Banzi :')--modified by oshunlvr at Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 19:38:15

Paper, my man, I think you've been listening to Phil Hendrie, he had one of his "boys" on boycotting a couple weeks ago.                Chrissie

. . . or occasionally Tom Leykis.I never heard of Phil Hendrie, but I have overheard conversations recently where people actually thought they were being patriotic by choosing not to do business with Chinese people.  I guess they never heard of Taiwan, where perhaps most of our local Chinese come from here in SoCal.  But then I doubt these folks could even tell Chinese, Japanese or Koreans apart and would probably boycott any business run by "orientals" and think they had done their good deed for the day.

What part of SPY PLANE is there to misinterpret? LOL

I know the beginning post was a joke, and then mine and some others were serious about things made in China, and Papercup makes a good point about not boycotting chinese restaurants, etc.Most of Chinas' exports are made by political prisoners, who are under inhuman condtions, etc.  So by purchasing those things it supports Chinas' way of being inhumane,tyranical,etc.But boycotting chinese restaurants, etc, here in the united states has no effect on the chinese goverment, and many are fellow american citizens.  I feel that kind of boycotting is discriminating if it is just based on the fact that their ethnicity is from a country whose government is deplorable.  I would think that is why most of them moved here, they do not like their government either.We are hurting ourselves when we boycott our fellow neighbors living with us in the US.  There seems to be no point in that.

This is reminiscent of the "yellow peril" scares that were rife during the 1950's, and used as a pretext for discriminating against all Asiatics. Although I'm usually against boycotts, though, after the destruction of the Buddhist statuary in Afghanistan, I would be willing to blacklist all restaurants run by the Taliban.

Phil is the "real" Tom Leykis, KFI640. I think you're right(about they all look alike), my brother lived in Little Toyko and worked street patrol, "all Ch*nks,etc". He was a businessman just trying to clean up the neighborhood. Ouch!

You're right Susie. I love Winnie the Pooh but when I found out that 99.9% of toys are made by these prisioners I stopped(at least slowed down) buying toys. Almost everything at Walmart is China made, even though they claim to be 100% American products.  You've got to read the labels and think.                CD

all those guys aren't fit to do voice-overs for douche commercials!They are all empty of spirit.JMHOLustman

Hey Susie,How can you possible expect to be taken seriously in this thread when you post your website? LOL And I still plan on boycotting Yang Chow in Chinatown. I'm gonna go to the Yang Chow in Woodland Hills.  RC

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It's not about boycotting your local favorite Chinese restaurant or provider. It's about whether you choose to purchase Chinese-made goods, thereby sending American dollars to a regime that will one day send it's soldiers to do battle with our own.What would it take to for you to stop sending dollars to Communist China? Do they have to start taking American men and women hostage?

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and never did I feel threatened for my safety the way I would walking down a questionable part of Los Angeles or any other American city.  I saw VERY few homeless people...I can count on one hand how many I saw in cities with populations of 10 million+.  Although there when the spy plane incident was going on, I never felt any hostility because I was an American.I guess my point is that maybe some people should be more concerned what happens in their own house (the U.S.) before they start casting stones halfway around the world.

Oh my. I just opened my fortune cookie and on the back of the fortune inside it said, 'made in The Sudan.'

I dated this girl in high school who was half french and half chinese.  She was so hot.  She wanted to suck my laundry.

Oshunluver, very funny, but sooo right on. I dont buy american cars for this reason. I drive a BMW (older but still a winner!)

I get the feeling you're saying the Chinese are justified here? What part of the phrase 'International Airspace' do YOU not understand? In the mid 80's while in the Marines I was aboard a U.S. Navy ship which went to General Quarters(battle stations) while being shadowed by a Soviet sub---less than 100 miles off the California coast. We did not take any hostile actions toward the Soviet sub or try to capture their crew. The Chinese gov't is acting in an arrogant, aggresive manner because they have no respect for human rights or the rights of other sovereign nations to operate freely in waters and airspace which do not belong to Beijing.

Susie, No ya didnt get way too serious. The initial poster was joking, but he was a bit tongue in cheek about it all. He sounded as though he wished there were some way that we could counter measure the Chinese governments actions. Your post about boycotting chinese products for the reason of forced labor were good and owe no apology for it! RC'c comment regarding your website was uncalled for and took the whole thing to a level beyond joking too!! Your website, nor you as a kind, lovely lady are a joke. He took it from a political point of just joking to a personal attack, which was mean. China's attack was personal too!!

I'll go with ya, but I'm brown bagging it with a baloney sandwich on white bread, and a Bud.

Susie: I apologize. No excuse. Just struck me as odd. But then again, I strike alot of people as odd. Seriously, my comment was uncalled for.   RC

Chrissie - I gotta agree with you on this one.  Phil is the MOST original and talented guy on radio today. His "guests" are a riot.  If any of you out there have not listened to him - DO SO.  You won't be sorry.  In LA, he is on KFI, 640 AM.

Ricechaser,Well done.  Few people in these types of forums step up and admit a mistake. Bravo. BTW, I also strike most people as odd and odder still when they meet me. Oh well, what can you do.  Again good job.--jp--modified by JP at Fri, Apr 20, 2001, 13:14:40

RC, Ive always been a sucker for a man who has enough cojones to apologize in public! Even if its hiding behind the computer it takes cojones!We all have our peculiar sides. By now you all now some of my isssues, thoughts and dont all concur with them or mesh with them, but at least we all have opinions! Viva la diference!

I've listened to Hendrie a few times.  What is that supposed to be? Comedy? Informative talk? The same "guest" on every day, only the name changes, and with the most outrageous point of view?  Are the callers even real, or are they made up too?  Can someone explain this guy to me?  BTW - Larry Elder (KABC 4-7pm)is the best in that time slot, IMHO.

The whole thing is a put on.  He is the guest.  He is every guest.  Almost every evening, at some point in the show, he will even tell you so.  The point is to satirize news stories and elicit a rise from the audience.  He tries to show how absurd some points of view can be.  The guests are FAKE but the callers are REAL (SCARY).Larry is good, but I am tired of his lectures.

It's a total goof, he plays all the voices and riles up the "public" so he can get them to call in. Sometimes he is funny, sometimes he's just vulgar. If your stuck in traffic he can be amusing. Theatre of the absurd. Is Larry Elder the Moral Court TV guy?

. . . it was indeed about boycotting local businesses where the owners or employees are Chinese, or any other "close enough" Asians.  THAT's what I was talking about (please re-read my posts).Others expanded on the idea by advocating the boycotting of goods made IN China, because of the conditions under which those products are made.  I don't know.  Seems like we could boycott a whole slew of countries with restrictions like that, but I'll leave that one alone for now.I'm curious, though.  What would we think if China (or Russia, Germany or Iran) flew spy planes off the California coast?  Would we think that was acceptable?  After all, we've got nothing to hide, so we shouldn't object if anyone wants to check up on us.  Maybe we've also forgotten that the Soviet Union used to BLOW SPY PLANES OUT OF THE SKY, even if they were just Korean airliners (oops).  All things considered, I don't think what China did approaches anything close to the sinking of the Lusitania, the taking of Americans as hostages in Tehran or blowing up the freaking Maine in Havana harbor.  We played with fire and we got burned.  At least we got our people back.  We'll probably eventually get our plane back too.  Perhaps in pieces, the way we give back fighter planes whose pilots defected.  All true patriots may now flame me for my insolence.

. . . it was indeed about boycotting local businesses where the owners or employees are Chinese, or any other "close enough" Asians.  THAT's what I was talking about (please re-read the original post).Others expanded on the idea by advocating the boycotting of goods made IN China, because of the conditions under which those products are made.  I don't know.  Seems like we could boycott a whole slew of countries with restrictions like that, but I'll leave that one alone for now.I'm curious, though.  What would we think if China (or Russia, Germany or Iran) flew spy planes off the California coast?  Would we think that was acceptable?  After all, we've got nothing to hide, so we shouldn't object if anyone wants to check up on us.  Maybe we've also forgotten that the Soviet Union used to BLOW SPY PLANES OUT OF THE SKY, even if they were just Korean airliners (oops).  All things considered, I don't think what China did approaches anything close to the sinking of the Lusitania, the taking of Americans as hostages in Tehran or blowing up the freaking Maine in Havana harbor.  We played with fire and we got burned.  At least we got our people back.  We'll probably eventually get our plane back too.  Perhaps in pieces, the way we give back fighter planes whose pilots defected.  All true patriots may now flame me for my insolence.--modified by Papercup at Fri, Apr 20, 2001, 18:01:20

I submitted a previous reply to Lord Hardwick which didn't get posted, so let me try again. What is there about the term International Airspace that you don't understand? Our aircraft was operating in such airspace when the Chinese pilot committed a hostile act. The fact that he's now shark shit doesn't bother me at all. In the mid-80's I was a Marine aboard a U.S. Navy ship which had to go to General Quarters (battle stations) because we were being shadowed by a Soviet sub less than 100 miles of the California coast. We did not attempt to blow the sub out of the water or take its crew hostage. This kind of thing went on all the time, and probably still goes on today. The difference is that China has no respect for international waters or airspace, and now they've been exposed as an arrogant, lying government. Again.As to your use of the term 'Spy Plane', that's a term the media has created and much of the public has totally bought into. The P-3 is not a spy plane that uses stealth technology, supersonic speed, or ungodly altitude capability to avoid detection. It is a reconnaissance aircraft that operates at about 300 kts and was in this situation at about 15000 feet. The Chinese knew it was there, the U.S. Navy knew China knew this. That crew wasn't trying to hide from anybody.

You know there is more to this story don't you. Who really got off the plane?Who really stayed in China?The accident was a cover up from the get go. Why did they not ditch the plane near one of the ships we had off the coast? What about the exchange of the equipment in the plane and US selling weapon to Taiwan? Did we just give the Chinese a defensive weapon to balancethe power because we sold weapons to Taiwan?Questions that will never be answered....cocaine in Laos? blow in Panama?Uncle in everywhere...I am not claiming any of this is factual, merely probable..I did not say this, I was not here....--modified by lustman at Sat, Apr 21, 2001, 08:19:35

Go ahead. Smoke another joint.

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Was trying to post to you RC, just wanted to thank you very much, your apology was deeply appreciated, and honored.  Thank you again, Susie.  Sweet Dreams.

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If you read my post you will see ("It's not about boycotting your local favorite Chinese restaurant or provider. It's about whether you choose to purchase Chinese-made goods, thereby sending American dollars to a regime...") that I am VERY clear that that would be silly.Other countries DO send spy planes in international waters, including those outside U.S. boundaries. The reason you don't hear much about that is we don't go about knocking them out of the sky. Hence, no news coverage.Perhaps you should be making your voice heard in Tiananmen square. Just be sure to wear enough body armor to support a tank. And don't be seen around any Falon Gong practitioners. You wouldnt't want to be tortured for their religious beliefs.

What country has the military airfield that's close enough, or the aircraft carrier task force in existence, to run spy planes along our coast close enough to have to emergency land at El Toro Air Station if they become disabled?  Mexico?  Canada?  Maybe Cuba, that nation of cutting edge technological sophistication.  A spy plane to Cuba would be a guy flying an old Cessna while looking through binoculars.Of course there are our old pals, the English and the French and our new pals, the Russians.  They all certainly have the fleets available to escort aircraft carriers, though the Russian fleet is in a state of disrepair reminiscent of the disasters of 1905.  Who else?  Israel?  They don't count.  We let them spy for free anyway.While I acknoweldge that spying and lethal cat-and-mouse games between the US and Russian submarine fleets exist, and that satellite spying takes place, I feel quite safe in claiming that few nations are capable of running spy planes along our coast, and those paltry few who ARE capable have little reason to do so.  Certainly our obvious ability to spot, intercept and nullify those missions would make them less likely to occur in any event, and I have no doubt we'd deal seriously with those that might actually occur.The main difference between the US and China is that we have a reason to spy on the Chinese coast (are they going to invade Taiwan?), while neither China nor anyone else (except maybe Iraq) has much of a reason for counting ships and planes in US facilities.  But the fact that we have a good reason to fly spy planes along the Chinese coast does not mean it's reasonable to expect them to like it or take it.  Saying that doesn't make me a no-good commie-lovin' pinko, it's just common sense that any nation, especially one which may have something to hide, like China, would make efforts to thwart this kind of aerial observation in such proximity to their shores.BTW, I saw my Chinese provider today.

I don't know why boycotting "Chinese providers and MP's til we get an apology" has anything to what the Chinese government did for the following reasons:You don't seem to distinguish between Chinese-Americans and true Chinese in China. a) Most of the "Chinese" as well as almost everyone in this country are here because they wanted to leave their "motherland" for better opportunities or freedom;  this date back to the pilgrims.  You do not punish the chinese government in any except the Chinese Americans.  In fact, even a lot of Chinese do not like the goverment;  ask those students who gave their lives at Tianamen.Your whole proposition seem to be based on physical attributes and discriminate against people who you considered different because of that.  Had let's say, Ireland, been involved, would you suggest to boycott all providers with any Irish background; if Nigeria had been involved, would you recommend boycotting any providers with Nigerian background or black.  And what if a country from which you have a genetic connection to was involved, had about if I call everyone to boycott your business or to stop speaking to you because of it.  Your whole premise is racist and ludicrous and this is not meant to be in tongue in cheek as I do not appreciate it.  b) Most of Chinese who immigrated here are extreme hard workers who contribute to the American;  they are trying to set roots in America and make a better life for themselves.  You cry for boycott does nothing but punish bystanders here.c)  As to boycotting products made in China;  I agree with such sentiments in general, but realize that a lot of products made in China are actually made by Chinese paid peonage wages by and in factories owned by American companies.  Most of the money paid for the products actually stay in the U.S.  Of course, in some ways, as sad as it is, those jobs are the only ones available.

Whoa???

My original post was meant to be nothing more than a joke. I anticipated (correctly) that it would generate much discussion/debate and hopefully most of the responses would be in the same humorous vein. I also anticipated (correctly) that there would be a handful of PC types who scream racism, prejudice, and bigotry every time their sensitivities are offended in the most miniscule degree. You seem to me to be the type who uses those words as a weapon of intimidation with the hope of quashing any dialogue you and your fascist brethren deem inappropriate and unsuitable for the collective. In other words 'comrade', you need a laxative!