I am not a shrink, but IMHO the dude sees you as an object, not a person. Which stinks for the good guys out there, as you mentioned.
If a new client treats you that way, be a bitch. Kick him out! It's your business and lively hood. His actions are like a shoplifter in a high end electronics store. Don't think twice about doing it! Play money and counting it and placing in an envelope, in your presence. A huge insult. Don't beat yourself up over it either, as long as there is some learning.Please help me understand why guys go the extra effort, plan it out to rip off a girl?
I'm in Savannah, which is usually great. I accepted an early morning appt, he begged me, then was late. Fine. But when he gets here, very apologetic. I see him get his wallet out, count it, put it in an envelope, leave it on the desk. I was a couple feet away. It was movie money!!! Of course it looks and feels real!!!
So why did he go thru the whole asking my schedule, set up regular appts... The whole bs, all while looking me in my sweet face, knowing that he was fucking me over! I can't understand. I'm honest, straightforward. I respect my clients and expect the same. This isn't the first time a guy has done this. The trust building techniques. It's sickening.
Yeah, I took the loss. No one's fault but my own. I could have pulled it out in front of him. I feel like that is super rude. He blocked me or whatever.
But all this stuff does is hurt the other guys out there trying to see a nice honest girl. So in the future, I have to read the fine print on the bills in front of him?
SCREENING....... sorry for your loss and remember the only person REALLY concerned about your security is You..
Suzee the slut
I used his LinkedIn and number. He checked out with his job. No arrests. So what's the safest way to screen to know their moral character?
I accepted my responsibility. My question is how/why do they do this? Now I'm gonna seem like a total bitch when screening and the exchange will be awkward. Ugh 😫
I am not a shrink, but IMHO the dude sees you as an object, not a person. Which stinks for the good guys out there, as you mentioned.
If a new client treats you that way, be a bitch. Kick him out! It's your business and lively hood. His actions are like a shoplifter in a high end electronics store. Don't think twice about doing it!
Play money and counting it and placing in an envelope, in your presence. A huge insult.
Don't beat yourself up over it either, as long as there is some learning.
Yes, hindsight is 20/20 and I should not be telling a lady how she should be conducting HER business. But a tip I share with even my most experienced lady friends is; requesting the client leave the "donation" in the rest room, while he washes his hands. Then you excuse yourself, claiming you want to 'freshen up."
That way you can add an extra level of caution to your routine.
Truly sorry you were ripped off. But I know a lady who had a session with someone who was much more elaborate in their scheme and even created a fake LinkedIn account
Bottom line, there are definitely some disgusting people in this world, and regrettably they come in all genders, shapes, and ethnicities. Another reason why providers and hobbyists alike, must protect themselves.
I’m sorry to hear about the scam. Hindsight is 20/20. Yeah, you probably should have excused yourself and taken it to the restroom to verify. You will next time. At that point of him pulling it out of his wallet and putting it into the envelope in front of you (the “sucker effect” just began and the Illusion has started) the discretion is gone by then, you should have told him just to drop it on the desk w/o the envelope. You can beat yourself up with the “woulda, coulda and shouldn’t” but the fact is, it’s a learning curve. At the end of the day, karma is a bitch. It will come back one day and all this will bite him in the ass. Eventually, he will have done this to too many girls out there were nobody will see him or touch him ever again. Might even end up with a good ass kicking (premeditated if ya know wad I mean). Make sure you at least throw him on one of those black list site that you girls love to use so much, report him and his actions. Let the other girls know, as that is truly your duty is to keep the industry straight and safe for everyone. Once again, I’m so sorry about the loss of the trust factor that’s slowly breaking down with situations like this.
Three things to be taught here... Screen, count the dough before the blow and trust nobody.
Just my .02
But what do I know, I’m just a fat guy from Toledo.
SP
I believe some cheating is due to a fetish ... this goes both for lady and men scammers. It's sort of a BDSM experience ... illicit obtaining of unwilling sex.
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I happen to like some BDSM activities, but always with mutual consent.
The reasons why are endless, but the fact remains it happens, and it sucks.
I know this isn't really all that helpful, but it's just one more reason not to use one of those silly envelopes that so many providers insist upon, It's a lot easier to casually take a glance at the cash on the desk than to open an envelope to check out the contents. That said, don't beat yourself up over this, I hope the actions of a few don't change you from the nice sweet girl you are today into a jaded, cynical, MHB which happens all too often to women who get cheated or abused just one too many times.
As you said, he put a lot of effort into this, and ladies THIS is what the Black List sites are for, not for a guy who shows up twenty minutes late, it's for thieves like this guy. I hope you do report him to EVERYWHERE you can think of to warn your sister providers.
In another thread, a provider noted she has the most issues come up with clients making short notice requests. If you had required a deposit from this asshole, he probably would not have pursued his ruse with you.
No. I only take appts when I travel as planning in advance is essential.
Will someone message me with the above mentioned sites? I'm learning everything as I go. I appreciate all of the info. I guess the bottom line... I need better screening options that guys are comfortable with. I get a lot of talk about discretion, I need just as much.
What's the fail proof way to screen?
I have my own way of screening/selecting women.
From what I hear the women screen by references, some women actually do a credit check. Most women ask for two references from recent visits with other escorts.
Just curious how you screened this one...intending to critique in a helpful way.
Some escorts do not see "newbies" who have no online history of reviews and/or other online forums. You might consider this option until you develop your screening techniques.
I also wish to invite you to Boston. Plenty of nice/honest guys here would appreciate you!!!
I need better screening options that guys are comfortable with.
You need to determine what information will make you feel comfortable enough to meet a complete stranger alone in private. Next, look for places where you can find that information; maybe black list sites, social media profiles, criminal records search sites, other providers, etc. Then determine what specific information you need a client to provide so you can use those resources to learn what you need to decide if YOU are comfortable meeting the client.
There is no fool-proof method. You can only reduce risk, not eliminate it completely. You'll also find that whatever screening you develop, some clients will balk at anything. Just worry about what YOU need.
I'm sorry you got stung as you did. When I visit an indy at her incall, I always leave my first wad (second wad cums later!) in an obvious place and I always shower. When I come back to the room, there are three common scenarios: (1) Wad no longer where I left it; put away someplace .(2) Wad clearly moved around, probably examined but I don't know how much (quick check versus detailed check). (3) No apparent Wad check. All three are fine with me because I am an honest, non-rip off client. I want my hostess to be comfortable, know that all is well, and that this detail is taken care of.
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But I have a Q about "It was movie money!!! Of course it looks and feels real!!!" Was this really, really GOOD fake money? You held it in your hand and it seemed good ... until you got to a bank or other place that told you it was BAD money? Or was it really BAD fake money: a stack of blank paper with one real $20 on top? or not even a real $20? or actual Monopoly money or fake money from a child's toy or game??
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If it was really good counterfeit, did you get in trouble when you went to the bank? Did LE (Secret Service investigates counterfeiting: http://www.secretservice.gov/investigation ) contact you? I think that the Sec Serv is more interested in counterfeiting than whatever may happen between consenting adults. (You did NOT consent to be cheated by a counterfeiter!) "I don't want to discuss the nature of our interaction or arrangement, but he paid me with these bills. His email is ###@###.### and his phone number is ###-###-####." His crime has nothing to do with Providing. He is probably scamming his drug dealer and the mini-mart, too. Anyway, if you assist LE with the counterfeiting crime, I don't have a problem with that .... and I even commend you for cooperating.
Please help me understand why guys go the extra effort, plan it out to rip off a girl?
I'm in Savannah, which is usually great. I accepted an early morning appt, he begged me, then was late. Fine. But when he gets here, very apologetic. I see him get his wallet out, count it, put it in an envelope, leave it on the desk. I was a couple feet away. It was movie money!!! Of course it looks and feels real!!!
So why did he go thru the whole asking my schedule, set up regular appts... The whole bs, all while looking me in my sweet face, knowing that he was fucking me over! I can't understand. I'm honest, straightforward. I respect my clients and expect the same. This isn't the first time a guy has done this. The trust building techniques. It's sickening.
Yeah, I took the loss. No one's fault but my own. I could have pulled it out in front of him. I feel like that is super rude. He blocked me or whatever.
But all this stuff does is hurt the other guys out there trying to see a nice honest girl. So in the future, I have to read the fine print on the bills in front of him?
It’s really sad when these lowlifers do stuff like this,I live by treat others the way you want to be treated, I just don’t get it if someone want to play please make it enjoyable for the other person you playing with it’s people like this that make it hard on the next person I am truly sorry for your lost!
What a scumbag thing to do! I believe in treating others with respect and how I would want to be treated in return. Huge believer in Karma as well.
Who knows why people do what they do, trust me it happens with us clients as well from providers. On either end of the spectrum it's sucks for us all on the recieving end of things.. Thats why I have no problem excusing myself to wash up while a provider has a moment to make sure things are all square.
Hope this is the last time you ever have to experience such a thing, if you screen properly it should absolutely help weed out alot of the BS out there
If he has a LinkedIn account make a call from a burner phone , call the regular number. If you're lucky call you'll get a receptionist. Give her some slutty name like "Candy' or "Roxy", leave messages that I know what you did, and its not cool leaving fake money. I wouldn't use your real/provider name, just give him a scare. Maybe enlist a friend or two to do the same thing. You know he's done it before. Write a script or list of what you would say or do depending on what he says. If he gets angry, Just hang-up on him. He doesn't know who you are and if he reaches out to you, have a script for that, too. You can either ignore him, or respond,"I didn't call you but, wish I did. Now that you called me get a gift card and e-mail me the info." Or similar, you get the idea.
If he has a LinkedIn account make a call from a burner phone , call the regular number. If you're lucky call you'll get a receptionist. Give her some slutty name like "Candy' or "Roxy", leave messages that I know what you did, and its not cool leaving fake money. I wouldn't use your real/provider name, just give him a scare. Maybe enlist a friend or two to do the same thing. You know he's done it before. Write a script or list of what you would say or do depending on what he says. If he gets angry, Just hang-up on him. He doesn't know who you are and if he reaches out to you, have a script for that, too. You can either ignore him, or respond,"I didn't call you but, wish I did. Now that you called me get a gift card and e-mail me the info." Or similar, you get the idea.
It might or might not be that he's done this scam before. If it's his first time doing it and he starts getting these phone calls, he knows exactly who she is. It's possible that he's done it before, but she has no way of knowing.
True or fake/spoofed account and you get another guy in trouble. I mean, how does a provider know its the real guy? How many really check?
It might or might not be that he's done this scam before. If it's his first time doing it and he starts getting these phone calls, he knows exactly who she is. It's possible that he's done it before, but she has no way of knowing.
checking money markers they use at the paying station in the market
both sucks and is inexcusable I do have to ask.
Would you actually find it more understandable if it was accidental/unintended (natural????) shadiness? (Or too soon?)
However, it's over and done with and is yet another cautionary tale of this business. At this point there has been no personal injury just personal insult and financial loss. In the meantime schemes to level the field with someone who could possibly be a complete unknown despite screening may pose a serious risk of harm to her directly or indirectly. A LinkedIn account is not definitive by any means and in fact it is so easy to co-opt an identity from digital social media that I will not describe it here for fear of abuse. Some of you are thinking about this obviously and now may have a better understanding of the extensive screening requirements of some whether you wish to comply or not. Honestly it's just better to write it off...... NEXXXXXXXXXTTTTTTT
I am sorry this douche did that to you. If you ever tour Michigan I'd love to see you and/or if you have an Amazon list or something I'd love to send you a small gift to help cheer ya up!
How sweet. It is really you and the other guys telling her to come to their city that renews my faith in mankind.
There're weirdos who have this fetish, get a professional service for free. They feel like they're a great champions. When I was living in Dubai, guys with good positions and no economical problems trying to scam ladies all time. You can't understand why, this is not normal. Shitty people exist. Fact. You must to be smart when you get in contact, screening and listen your interior voice. When the situation start with problems and is complicated, for sure finish worst.
Karma will make the rest for this stupid weirdo.