Alright, hypothetically speaking, of course

And yes, wise-asses, I did not have to look up how to spell 'hypothetical' because I'm drinking my dinner...

Fuckers!

So back to my point....

For shits and grins, you've seen a lady for quite some time. Always had the right amount in the 'envelope'. Whatever the hell that is...!

But she raises her rates. Would a 'gent' be out of line to expect to be grandfathered in? Or graciously accept her decision and pay accordingly?

Now, for all intents and purposes, nothings changed as far as services rendered. Maybe it's the economy? Fewer clients? Whatever.

Would a guy be wrong, after so many dates, to expect to get the same deal at the same prices as when they usually saw each other?

I'm curious, and know I'm going to hear some shit from the ladies especially!

Please share!

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I see a lot of providers explicitly say new rates are for new customers only. So ymmv, sorry I don't have a better answer.

and because I am very pleasant company (well most of the time - sometimes you just don't hit it off.....)

Actually in exchange for my loyalty I would expect to be offered the lowest rate extant at any given time including the rate at the time at which I first saw the lady.

I am very generous with my ladyfriends. Give nice gifts.  Take nice trips when I'm not with an SO. And with my very few favs I book frequent long term dates.

The benefits of rewarding my loyalty and keeping me far outweigh losing me over a rate increase.

Disclaimer - I fully support a provider's right to set her own rates and to raise them if she sees fit. I would never complain about it. I would simply stop showing up.....

can be raised, even in the down-ecconomy we are still in.  Depending on how often and how frequently you have seen a particular lady will probably determine if you will be grandfathered in.  You can always say, "I assume the rate will be the same as last time" when making an appointment.

I guys who have stopped seeing certain ladies because of significant rate increases (from 5 presidents for 90 minutes up to 4 1/2 presidents for an hour which is over a 30% increase in less than a year).  I know at least one lady who dropped her rate $50 over a year ago when the ecconomy went in the tank.  I've seen her 3 times since and each time has been great.

I might not have been as generous as you, but loyalty is a definite concern, wouldn't anyone agree?

There is quite the 'field' to choose from, regardless.

Just seems to me, when you repeat, and repeat, and repeat, it should be expected.

When the ladies take on new clients, yeah, I can understand their rates eventually go up.

But 'they' don't know what you pay, because you're loyal and repeat.

.... and she has held her original rates for me .

JK ole buddy.

In all seriousness if you have seen her, as you say, for quite sometime, I am surprised that she has not honored the original rate for you.

She must be listening to the news reports that say that the economy is improving. Good luck to her !

I cant say that I wouldn't be a bit put off.

any lady lucky enough to have you or I for a client should appreciate that enough to want to keep us.

New clients are a pig in a poke. You never know if it's going to be some not at all groomed, fat sweaty guy with a three inch dick - not pleasant but doable

or some young jerk in his 30s who thinks he's hot but can't lick pussy worth a damn and the only thing he "knows" about fucking is what he's seen on porn. The absolute worst type of all according to my many provider friends.

or some guy who is borderling abusive. Or worse.

or some guy with no self esteem who thinks all providers fake everything and treat the whole encounter in a shabby way

etc etc etc

Any provider who has a chance to have a regular client who is attractive, knows his way around in bed, is timely, clean, well groomed and fun to be with should consider strongly before throwing that away for a few bucks.

Yes providing is a business - it's about money at the bottom line. However, there are good ways, pleasant ways to earn money and very unpleasant ways.

You and I fall into the very pleasant way to earn money category....

Seems only fair with this Hypothetical question? that the grandfathering work both ways?

You have always been comfortable paying her rate and then this economic down turn she has to lower her rates just to keep up the pace of income she has been accustom to. So would your loyalty be in question if you started paying her less? or would it show your appreciation? Or showing her that you never really thought she was worth it?

Just Asking...

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I have been buying gas from Shell for 25 f'in years and they keep raising the price on me, how is that for loyalty??

Price changes are a part of life, and the gentlemen thing to do would be to offer her the increased price and let her be the one to either thank you or state your rate has not changed.

as I would like to expect the same. However, even in the civie world, I've had price increases from my massage therapist, trainer, etc. in the recent past.  I guess it would depend on the % increase. If it's in line with inflationary increases, then not so bad. If it's like 30% or more, then I might be a bit hesitant, but it really comes down to if the service is still of value to you with the increase. If so, then go with it, otherwise, it may be time to move on. It's not an easy call for sure.

Over the course of time, all prices will be raised in all aspects of your life. Groceries, insurance, dentist, rent, etc. You always have the option of finding a new store (or other thing) to use if you feel the cost of your previous one went too high.

If your favorite provider raises her rates, then expect to pay the higher rate. Her costs have gone up too (rent, groceries, etc.) and she needs to gain more income from her business. You have the right to find another provider if you feel her rates went too high for you, but you don't have the right to feel you can continue to pay the "old" rate.

If the provider tells you that you can pay the "old" rate, then that is a great gesture on her part. It should come from her though, and not through any coercion (sp?) from any client.

b-

Back before the economy went to shit, I raised my rates. But I made it a point to tell my regulars that my old lower rate still applied to them. Hell, if a guy sees me on a regular basis and I especially enjoy seeing him, I voluntarily give him a discount. If you're good to me, I'm going to be good to you! By giving my good regulars a discount on my rate, it's my way of showing my appreciation to them. By giving them a lower rate, they get to come see me more often. It's a win/win situation for both of us.

But to answer your question... I think you should ask if her new rate applies to existing clients or new ones. I'm trying to put myself in the clients shoes... if I had seen a lady for a long time and she raised the rate on me, I doubt I'd see her again.

Sometimes my twisted mind wanders, and I feel the need to post some fucked up shit!

The thought occured to me, so I figured, WTF?!!!

The lady I usually see, after I saw her for several months, informed me that from that point on I could lower the amount I paid her by quite a bit. She was already hiding clocks and extending dates, and when I brought my own timer to prevent this, she smashed it with a hammer right in front of me.

I thought about it for a while, and decided to continue paying her regular rate.

My reasons for that in this particular case are complex and I won't get into them.

So she gave me a rate cut, and I decided to keep paying the old rate. Which, to my thinking, was an entirely reasonable and affordable rate to start with.

are even looking at my site or the donations...and so therefore wouldn't know I have raised my rates...for me personally...the raised rates are for new clients...if anything I'm giving my regulars extra time to show my appriciation...so I guess my rates are actually lowered for my regulars  so tips are always welcomed...lol...

But usually I would grandfather my regular clients in with the old rates.

It is true, I know that they are good to me, clean, and not LE.  That is worth more to me, than a new client with double the money.  He could be nasty, rude, painful, and/or LE!  

It's worth it to keep the good regulars to me anyway.  

For like, 10 times, at the same rate, and the 11th you sprung it on him that your rates had changed, you'd be pissed if he brought you *this much* instead of *that*?

Wouldn't that be a little presumptuous on your part?

I mean, he's used to paying *this*.

I think it would be *your* responsibility to mention the change in rate, and let him decide if he was cool with it or not.

Am I wrong in my thinking?

And better yet, would you, ladies in general, be insulted, or better off, pissed, if the guy said 'you know what? I'll pass.'?

After all, he had no heads-up...!

I've seen, and most definitely will repeat with.

And some I haven't seen, yet, but are yearning to do so, in both accounts.

Thanks GTM! You're one of a few I knew would understand, and appreciate this!

You know what, fuck-face?!

I said it once in my fucking thread.

WTF?!!!

WTF is the fucking deal about *me* saying FUCK all the fucking time?

Yeah, I love to fuck. Isn't that why we're fucking here?

Well, I am. But I'm not here to fuck your wide-ass, fucking bunghole, mother-fucker!

Perverted piece of fucking-shit!

And should be the 'norm' as far as I'm concerned...

IMHO

And if the tables were turned, there shouldn't be a problem paying what was originally the rate in the first place.

And in my case, I shit you not, if that was what I was used to paying, that's what I would pay.

Hence, my point.

There's got to be a mutual respect thing.

BOTH ways!!!

I would not expect her to grandfather me in at our usual rate, since I do not know her reasoning for increasing it. If it's purely because she feels she can get more, then I would hope she would grandfather me in to the original rate. If she raised her rates because she needs it in order to keep up with her professional and living expenses, then I would not expect her to grandfather me.

My sentiments exactly. Post below...!

I would still expect to be kept at the same rate as a regular.  Honestly, I don't think many of the providers think differently.  However, I did used to see one that had a great trick to raise them for everyone.  She quit for a while.  When she returned to the biz, she had new, higher rates, and no regulars anymore.  In fact, that's what happened.....she had no regulars anymore!

video..You should check it out...goggle "Youtube the meaning of the word fuck" I think You Will get a real kick out of it...

Enjoy...and now it gives You a reason to use the word more often...lol...

And we have a right to take our $ elsewhere.  It's economics 101 and feelings should not be hurt.

you being grandfathered in would be appropriate. I am sure that she will agree. If not, I would consider that a bad decision on her part if the reason for raising her rates was because of fewer clients. Seems like she would be working against herself if she didn't allow you to stay at the same rate.

first, if I was told the rate had increased for everyone including me I would expect to pay it the NEXT time (if there was one...I might be put off I admit). For her to expect the increase to be paid on the spot, first time, assumes I would be checking her website or whatever each time. If she told me in advance, fair enough tho.  But here's another question:  suppose you've seen her half a dozen times at one rate and then you see her offering big discounts on another site.. is it cool to expect her best advertised rate each time, but only if it's lower?  Doesn't seem fair. But I admit I am way less interested in seeing her again if she is advertising for new business at lower rates.

at a very low introductory rate.  She grandfathered my donation when she raised it to what was a typical rate for my area.  Recently she raised it again...  I brought it up & I adjusted my donation to the going rate (though she was asking more from new friends.)  I can't help but notice, she's rolled back her rates...   I'm giving a fair amount so I'm ok with it.  
IF you found an advertized current offer...  you'd expect to match it for previous clients.  Would we? / Should we? bring it up?  Or just put that ammount in the envolupe?
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I only grandfather my original rate to clients I enjoy spending time with.

You shouldn't expect to get the same deal, if she likes you...maybe. If not, you're just one of many.

XoXo,
HP

Communication is key to any good relationship, business or otherwise. It is wrong to assume that she will grandfather the same rate as when she first started seeing you.. One can always ask

Reliability,respect are all factors with a regular and have a value too.

Perhaps a review would help offset an increase in rates. This is something to consider also...

How did you find out she raised her rates?

Have you had any subsequent conversation regarding this topic since she raised them?

Did you tip her in the past?

Did she spring this on you at a recent session?

How much is she raising the rate by, $50, $75 $100, $150?

Does she have this posted on her website?

Is she, to you, worth every penny with in reason no matter what she charged?

Not having the answer to those and probably some other questions, can give rise to tones of responses. I will respond with knowing I have none of the answers.

You are not out of line to assume or expect to be grandfathered after 12 appointments. It is not an entitlement however. She should and I think most providers do value their regulars more than the trials they have to go through with new clientele.

I would handle it in this manner assuming that I did not see it in her website (no reason to, been there and done that 12 times). I would arrive with the envelope containing the previous amount. If she is not counting it in front of you like most good providers don't, then to use your words, 'fuck the shit out of her' say your good-byes. However, if you get that terrible phone call saying she raised the rate and assumed you knew that, you can say you never check her website any more, but be prepared to hit the ATM (not ass to mouth fool) and go back and make it up to her, or at least offer. If she says will catch up with you the next time, then catch up with her next time.

She might be telling you that because you cannot come right back since MP67 is there now looking to get his dick wet. Look, his Bentley is parked outside. Shit

If you go to Smith's Food Store you see stuff changed in prices all the time and you can choose to buy or pass based on you budget or comfort zone. Smith's don't care cause somebody else will purchase at that rate.

Selling pussy is not like buying grapefruit off the shelf (a commodity). But, she can change rates and you should expect to pay those rates.

I have a provider that is an ATF. We have seen each other many times over the past close to 2 years.
Average donation has gone up a bit, but I still get the original rate. On occasion I will hear she has a special, usually in a new city, but for myself I stick with the rate she gave me.

In return, she always has given me extra time without concern including off the clock dinner most dates.

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Unless she tells you that you are grandfathered than you are not grandfathered.

She doesn't owe you an explanation as to why she is raising her rate but I guess my question would be how do you know she raised it?

course!

Tamara G x

I'd say see ya I ain't got a grandfather anyway.

SG06

until after they left. I was very touched by that. I only raised my hourly rate - the rest is the same only I added a 45 min date at my old rate. I LOVE this hobby!

There is more variation to this practice than almost anything else in the hobby, including tipping.

I'd say that about half the gals I have seen for several years have kept me grandfathered at original rates and in some cases even lowered them on account of volume or longer sessions, etc.

Others have raised them over the years with limited grandfathering periods.

In some cases I have reduced my visits with them just out of financial necessity.

The bottom line is that there is no rule, and you have to continue to follow a gal's site and/or local ads before each visit to see if the rates are the same or not, and ask about grandfathering if they have gone up.

So far the only people I enjoy reading the replies from are from Boston. (excluding the ladies of course) coincidence?

I think it would be fair of you to assume you would be grandfathered in at the old rate. Most especially if you have seen the lady 10 times.  HOWEVER, I also have to add a disclaimer here.  I DO NOT think it would be fair for you to be grandfathered at the old rate for ETERNITY because that is a very long time.  Perhaps, it would be time to use those communication skills and discuss things with said lady as an adult.  I would do this:  I would grandfather you in at my old rates for the next 6 months or so.  After that, I would hope you would continue to see me at my new rate. Obviously, you see my value and quality as a provider so you should have no qualms at that point as I have tried to satisfy both our needs.  YES???

Hugs, Belinda

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If your friends and luvers by this time after seeing each other for a while, I would say isn't it best to just communicate with her ? Just casually ask her, it's an appropriate question hun. Good luck and have fun !