I Was in a local micro-brewery/restaurant last night with a buddy of mine. I got to watching 3 gals at the bar. 2 were hotties the third was your obligatory plain gal hoping for the "leftovers" from her hot friends.
Naturally there was this hip, cool, happin'n fool putting on his best show to impress the two hotties.
  I said to my buddy that "I would much sooner subsidize one of the hotties rent or car payment" rather than humiliate myself by engaging in the show that their bar stool Romeo was putting on.
          My friend got VERY angry with me.

It is it him??, does my friend have issues??.

Is it me??, have I become overly jaded & cynical??.
 
Is it wrong to look at the game for what it is?? IE: Love, marriage, divorce, then 50% of your assets.

Is it better to dillude oneself with fairy tales and happilly ever afters or deal with the new millenium and the cold reality that.......It's all about the money.

  Cm

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mainly cuz the hotties often need to be taught a lesson ... that they're not the queen-of-freaking-sheebas!  LOL

let's stay focused here (not start a new thread), but i would have to say that IMHE (experience) the anti-correlation between the looks and performance (of civilians at least) is not due to chance. anyway ... back to your point(s)

sorry Cynicalman, i know i'm side-tracking (and way early in the thread) but your main questions are way too loaded for me (at least this early in the morning!

Without addressing then issue of cynicism, you might dig into your distant memory to realize that using charm rather than cash to win female attentions is "fun", not "humiliating". Flirting, seduction, and the related social skills are "part of" the fun, not just tools to gain sex... you might find it efficient to circumvent skill with cash, but then you are missing the "real" game. I mean, I can buy a Superbowl ring on ebay... but I'm not sure I've had the same experience as the guy who played to win it.

If you limit yourself entirely to women who view sex in terms of cash value, you are missing out on the best experiences out there... granted, providers are great for a "sure thing" and sampling a lot of variety (last month I myself saw Indian, Philipine, Brazilian, Korean, black "hotties", among others; a world tour of variety) but nothing beats a talented, enthusiastic amateur.

And as far as "hotties" go, I have never found them to be stuck up or smug as a group... indeed, because they have an "easier" life in many ways, I find them to be usually more laid back and friendly than their plainer sisters. If they are defensive its because many men regard "hot" girls as purely game to be pursued; when they are enjoyed on their full human level, they are revealed to be just girls and women, some bad, some good. They are not some special, evil race.

O.

I'm a 'Dance:10 - Looks:3' sort of fellow (let's see who get's my reference) in both civilian and hobby pursuits.
When I was younger I was the guy at the bar, so don't get me wrong, and I surely embarassed myself in public more times than I probably want to admit.
But now I am definitely older and I would like to think a little wiser and certainly more able to enjoy the hobby and company of ladies of the 10-10 variety but really do prefer those who are more down-to-earth, not so full of themselves, and not high maintainance in any respect. -after the transaction! -

--Marty

Yes it's him, anyone that gets very angry over such a statement has a stick in their ass.

Yes, it's you for not knowing that your buddy has a stick in his ass.

No it's not wrong, love is okay in the beginning, marriage is just a piece of paper that lays claim to all of your belongings once the woman finds a good lawyer that will even take the stick out of yerass .

Fantasies are best left to the privacy of the bedroom where the stick in yerass is thought to feel good.

As I wrote on this board (I'd link to it, but I don't know how to link to past messages):

Posted by ttommmyboy, 5/15/2003 9:36:09 PM

My take on it, perhaps cynical but here it is:  with perhaps the rare exception of guys lucky enough to have a lady all to themselves who (a) loves sex and (b) loves the guy enough to let him partake freely -- with that rare exception -- there's no such thing as a free lunch.  So one guy dates a girl, spends a ton on a fancy dinner, and whatever other entertainment, and hopes against hope to get laid, and maybe every now and then does; another guy gets married, finds out that the wedding cake cures his wife of her up-to-the-nuptuals lust for him; another guy puts the Ben Franklins on the dresser at a provider's trick pad.  So what the fuck is the moral distinction?  They're all just working it differently.  You know who's got the last laugh?  Gay guys, 'cause they fuck each other for free, and no bullshit.

I can spin the economic theories with more erudition than that, but I'm sure you get the idea.

Chances are, the "plain gal" would give me better companionship anyway

And some very satisfying sex later on. Hotties consider themselves God's gift to men, and treat them accordingly.

It's all fun.  Most people have a twisted prespective about providers. Personally I appreciate what they do for me. They take a lot of pressure off my relationships with women for one.  So the women I am seeing is not interested in sex with me right now.  If I did not have the back of my friends I might push a little to hard.  Since I do have back up I just smile.  Cause I know a beautiful women who will enjoy my company and appreciate me.

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Agreed. What is it with women like that anyway? I think everyone of us (man or woman) needs to be "right-sized" once in a while just to be put in our place and to not think highly of ourselves.

Call me a sexual bigot (or whatever), I don't care. But I think women have this tendency more than men.  At least when it comes to the pursuit of sex or the hobby or whatever.

A (civilian)woman has decided whether or not she is going to sleep with a man 60 seconds after she has met him. Unfortunately they are not prone to allerting the male to their decision either way untill they have "worked" a couple of drinks etc out of the enamored male.  

  Flirting, charm, seduction are all wonderful WHEN they work.
I have heard that radio bad boy Tom Lykis has a sportjacket made of $100 bills and it ALWAYS works.

  Seeing as how prevelent the sentimate of "What have you done for me lately?" is in our current culture I have to lean to the cynicism of the sportjacket-O'-money to calibrate my compass and navigate with.

Off topic from the main post, but I'll take a shot at your reference:  It's a Song from the Chorus Line (with the infamous "Tits and Ass" chorus).

A-MEN   Your charm may get the lady to leave the bar, but the auto you drive her in and the apartment or house you take her to may have a huge affect on how fast, if ever she gets naked in the bedroom.  Remember the old saying "free pussy is AWAYS the most expensive pussy."

Phx69

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