While nothing is 100% safe, I would never book a motel room with access from the outside.Everything is right out in the open with no privacy. And as far as LE is concerned if they can do a sting from a cheap motel and make the busts, why budget for a 4-5 start hotel. Again nothing is fool proof though.

And the atmosphere is so much better at a nice hotel, even though that's not really a safety issue.

xoxo,

Steph

I won't see a lady who is working out of a Motel. All a cop has to do is park across the street for a few hours to figure out if there is a working girl in there or not. I have rented them occasionally for out calls but that was with a gal that I already knew.

Hotels, the bigger and busier the better, are your safest bet.  Of course, if you are talking in call a lot depends on the lady in question.  I've seen a few ladies do some fairly stupid things over the years when they were new to the game. It's all about keeping a low-profile.

I have been in that situation a few times. One time the provider meet me in the parking lot. The other time I had to sneak my way up the back stairs under construction. The guests would not let get on the elevator with out the key.

As other posters stated you can never tell if a sting is going down. Recently LE has been willing to shell out the money for expensive hotels.

IF you have a provider who has a lot of foot traffic she can be reported by hotel management and/or maid service.  Once that happens LE asks the guys who leave to room (for confession) and the provider in question is arrested.

Some of the cheap hotel chains have contracts with LE to go under-cover or watch from across the street to see what is going on. Then you have hotel guests and folks in the neighbourhood who will report the room number to LE.

With the FBI getting involved in human trafficking cases they just use a scanner to listen to cell phone calls. Then they tell local LE what room and hotel to watch and arrests happen.

I know of a local case where the FBI did listen to digital phone cell conversations. One guy did go to Federal prison.

I know of a guy who's sister's friend was a...blah blah blah

No offrnce to you personally.

If you have facts, show a link to a media site that covers them.

Studies show that poeple lie more during phone conversations than when face-to-face. They lie more in e-mail than in phone conversations.

What do you think that means to anonymous char boards?  Especially with an alias of a handle?

Hell, maybe I'm lying! Not going to provide links 'cuz you can research it on your own with the info I've given.



HalfHour

LE does a good job overall of being undercover. It can be difficult to tell if surveilance is going on.

However, there is a spectrum of likelyhood depending on the circumstances that one can use as a reasonable rule of thumb for enhance safety. (Not refering to stings, where LE has set up a room)

Here are the two ends of the spectrum...

Higher Danger - Inexpensive motels where doors open to the outside.

These are preferred by pimps for circuit girls due to lower cost and the more average type of regular clientele. These are the easiest for LE to conduct surveilance, and have the highest cooperation of management and management's desire for LE protection.

Lower Danger - 5 star hotels and resorts.

Much more difficult for surveilance. Better for the gent who has a room or the provider. Most providers who use such a room are higher-end, multi-hour, and low volume. It's the revolving door of men that garners attraction, not a man booking a room and then a lady arriving later. Everyday trysts and affairs abound.



Half Hour

reminds me of the snooty manager of the posh hotel in the movie Pretty Woman

With the many recent items about stings and such, I was wondering which type of hotels/motels everyone thinks are safer?  The ones where you must go through a lobby to get to the rooms, or the ones where all the rooms have outside doors? Do you think upscale hotels would be safer than the Super 8/Days Inn/Motel 6 type chains?  I can think of pros and cons for each type of hotel, but was curious whether the reality might suggest one or the other type is actually safer from an LE perspective?

I don't think it really matters.  But I will say this - if the local police want to set up a sting, they have no motivation to shell out for a 5 star hotel.  Personally, I feel better in upscale hotels with busy lobbies and no key cards.

As said above I feel the bigger and more crowded the hotel is the better for the hobby. I like those hotels with large lobby bars and upscale restaurants as well. There are lots of people going in and out (no pun intended) who are just there to meet someone at the bar or in the lobby.  I wear a sports coat and often carry a small portfolio and I look like I am on my way to the conference or meeting rooms at the hotel, slip into the elavator and you are just another face in the crowd.

I had my first experience recently with a "door to the outside parking lot" motel and it gave me the creeps. I felt like a sitting duck just waiting for LE to bust down the door. I did my thing and got out of there ASAP. I suppose if I knew the lady it would be fine especially for a multi hour date if you were going to be one of her only guests that day.

do not allow LE to conduct stings on their premises...hotels are private properties and LE has to have their authorization...have you ever heard of a sting at The Ritz or Four Seasons?

Sometimes they need a room key to move the elevator. That brings up another issue.

Using a scanner to listen to cell phone calls went out with the death of the old AMPS (TACS and Nordic in the rest of the world) analog cellular system. Even the earliest digital systems, even when unencrypted, required some pretty snazzy "scanners".

Not to mention the requirements for Title-III warrants on specific phone numbers.

There is one thing LE cannot do, and that is go on electronic fishing expeditions.

(provider visiting a traveling hobbyist or vice versa) going to a meeting in one of the conference rooms or larger ballroom.  Gary a briefcase so you will blend in better.  Act like you belong.

I've had one provider who accepted incalls in a respectable hotel.
The manager had a hint of what was going on.
To protect the hotel's 'upscale' status, the manager called the cops.
So, upscale hotels having snotty managers can be a problem
if they see traffic going in and out of the provider's room.

requires specific legal steps (Title-III) and specific technical conditions. It's not like firing up Dr. Demento on your AM radio.

the Boston Long Wharf Marriot which is four stars, and a rather high four stars at that.

I don't think LE is lawfully bound to coordinate with the hotel management, but they would probably prefer to.

I don't see any hotel managment saying no either, though I could be wrong.

Just the possibility that they might is good enough reason to keep the call short and to the point with no indication of what is going on.

Here's how it should go:

"Hi, I'm here."

"Room xxx."

A short call is much less likely to be detected, after all.

Hotel management checks the lady in. They check a list or search the net and find out the lady is is a provider.

In one case the lady got sloppy. She had used the hotel before and gave the hotel van drivers her business cards. After she checks in on her next visit they call her room and tell her she has 30 minutes to get out of the room. The hotel management tells her "We have your business cards and we checked your ads on the internet. If you don't get out we will call the police."

One time i forgot to delete the text message with the room number in it. It was in my hobby phone for 1 year.

absolutely correct.  LE must show exhaustion of all reasonable investigative tactics before applying for  wiretap.  Then LE must establish which particular phone lines are being used for unlawful purposes. Wiretap applications are 30-40 pages long and and often take several days to prepare.

There has been cases of hotel staff ratting out providers, and setting up stings in 1 and 5 star hotels. Yes it is easier for them to park and watch the parking lot of a motel, but most hotels have cameras is the halls that do that for them. Then there is the whole key card doors/elevators thing in many hotels. Unless the hotel/motel is a known haunt for druggies and street walkers I doubt it matters. How uptight the hotel/motel management/staff is, is a bigger factor than the class of hotel/motel it is, in my opinion.

Screen well and your odds of getting busted is small ether way. Remember there is no such thing as safe hobbying just "safer" hobbying.

Happy Halloween.

The Marriott Long Wharf is not a 4 or 5 star hotel. It's an old dump near the waterfront that managed to survive the dreaded "big dig" because it is part of the Marriott chain.  It's in Boston, a city with a major shortage of hotel rooms, so it's busy.  It is not by, by any real standard, a high end property...

"We greatly appreciate Marriott Long Wharf's cooperation and we work very hard to be as low-key as possible," said Elaine Driscoll, a spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department. "In this case, in the last arrest of the night there was a safety issue, and the safety of our officers required intervention."

Oh Yeah, she told me the manager actually called the cops.
She was so pissed off and got her misdemeanor charges.

There are some hotel managers that are friendly to providers.
One provider (another girl) said the manager of the hotel
we used twice to meet only gave her the room for $30 instead of $60.
I said 'how'?   She said she just wiggle her cute boobs and butt for the
manager and she gets a 50% discount.  The manager knows what she
does.

Best to just go with low-key hotel.

The story you link to is from Feb 2009 and concerns the Marriott in Boston.  Not a good example of the typical bust.  Especially since the FBI was involved.

Yes just becuase the name Marriott is on the building does it means it's a quality place. I have seen my share of "Marriotts" that are below a Motel 6 standard.

Unfortunately, a friend found themselves in trouble at a Ritz Carlton.   Before then, I assumed the more exclusive the hotel, the lower the risk.

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the hotel is in. Also, blending in with the surroundings is a 'must' for any hotel.

There was one in Cedar Rapids, IA about a yr ago, where they used one of the only 2 available 5 Star hotels in town to conduct a sting. I can see where people would feel safer in higher end hotels versus a Motel 6, Super 8 or Red Roof... the only time I was ever asked to leave a hotel, was at a Super 8, and it was my only client of the day, and we were only in the room for about 20 min before they called and told me to leave or the local PD were on their way... I've never had a problem at the "higher" end hotels to date.

the Marriott is not really upscale...

Spending time with a escort or buying sex from a prostitute? Big difference. With a escort, sex shouldn't be discussed. If or when sex happens, its between two consenting adults. If you are buying sex, no hotel is safe as you have already committed a crime.